Cool. Thanks for the help.
What about Cyclone Tour? Have you tried it? Is it really softer than all of the above?
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What about Cyclone Tour? Have you tried it? Is it really softer than all of the above?
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
It's softer, but not by a huge amount... I'm not a fan of the Cyclone Tour... I prefer the regular Cyclone. The Tour seems to lose feel after a bit. Maybe it's just me.
topspn
Legend
Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be either extreme. I have a V7 blade in my bag and no issue at all with comfort. I also play a TC100 70RA but it is again very comfortable and brings some of that tweener playability. Also have the new yonex ezone 100, another tweener like frame with comfort.
topspn
Legend
As i mentioned above, there are some good compromises out there for more tweener playability with comfort
sanister
Professional
And to add, Ezone 100 is 69 RA strung btw. So that is why I always suggest to play with racquet and see how arm feels. Sometimes even the more stiffer racquets on paper can feel ok on arm and play comfortable, varies so much from player to player. The new Pure Aero is 66 or 67 strung RA on paper. Plays pretty comfortable. The last iteration of Aeropro Drive was a winner as well in that regard. Same high sixties RA strung. Blades are a good example like you said. And I own a 70RA TC100, that is magnificent too. In the end I believe the one using the racquet is the best judge, not someone sitting online suggesting arbitrarily that some racquets are crap and some are nice. So many racquets out in the market, best way is to demo if you know your desired specs already. Usually unless you are a beginner, you know what you gravitate towards.
Thanks for the help.
haqq777
Legend
How are you like the new Ezone 100 btw? Yonex makes such great quality sticks. Can you do perhaps a quick comparison with your TC100s?
topspn
Legend
For sure, happy to do so. I should be getting the ezone 100 today strung @53lbs with confidential 1.25. I am debating playing a match with it in the morning and not caring about results but test right off the bat in a match
Also debating if i should try stock first (pretty light) or at least throwing on a leather grip. Give me some time to test out and I’ll do the compare NP
haqq777
Legend
Great. FWIW I liked the Solinco Confidential string in 1.25. Easy ball depth, and placement. Spin was fairly decent. Good comfort. It is definitely more muted that Cyclone and similar strings.For sure, happy to do so. I should be getting the ezone 100 today strung @53lbs with confidential 1.25. I am debating playing a match with it in the morning and not caring about results but test right off the bat in a match
topspn
Legend
I have been playing revolution and S7T on the TC100. Hopefully confidential doesn’t have the muted hyper-g sensation. Anyway, different racquet altogether so I’ll just see how that combo feels.
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
While some of us are talking about strings, any opinions on Yonex Poly Tour Pro? I see it recommended all the time but would like to see some Angell users' inputs on it.
djNEiGht
Legend
Played well at 45# in my TC95 16m in a full bed. Nice control and spin.
ChrisG
Professional
It happens that I’m currently testing it on my TC95 16x19 63Ra. 1.25 yellow @23kg.
I mainly hit with Tier1 Black knight for a year, and wanted to try new things.
I’m very positive about PTP, great control, enough power (in this pretty powerful frame), confort seems to be here too, spin is very good for my play style ( I hit flat from attacking position but I’m confortable with some spinning help in rallies), strings don’t’ move, tension maintenance is good.
I only noticed that the first hour is very dull, then all said above come to life.
I don’t know if this bad first hour is my fault (I played very badly also that day) or not. I played 3 competitive matches and apart from the first the others were truly magnificent.
I’m planning to test the 1.20 gauge, as I’m not a string breaker. Might be too thin for my open pattern?
For the price it´s great. To me the worst thing it´s the poor ball grab on some shotes , sometimes it feels like the ball slips on the stringbed , but for the price it´s really great. For my TC97 , 51 or 53 tension it´s great , but give it some time to settle in...
And the yellow it´s much better than the black...
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I've actually read a few reviews that said the strings got better after the first hour. Interesting.
I think I'll buy a reel. Everyone's favorite Rainforest Retailer has a reel of the 1.25 yellow for about 85 bucks shipped.
topspn
Legend
lol yes pretty thin for open patter TC95
OlgaOM
Rookie
What’s the SW of your V3? Thanks
I belive it´s something like 321 strung and stock. With the lead tape on the handle and head its 340g weight and 343 swingweight...Takes some time to adjust after a break to recover from TE , but it won´t take long , and as soon as i can swing that baby easly , the bombs are dropping like rain...
itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
I'm also kinda curious as to what my v3 TC97 swingweight is. Mine are 320g/310mm balance unstrung, no lead, but I use head tape and an overgrip.
haqq777
Legend
The Ezone 98 are slightly stiff in the upper hoop on ball contact, crisp playing and you can feel the throat flex on big swings. Still very comfy though.
TW agrees as well. This is from their description:
Additional updates include the use of a hyper modulus graphite (Hyper-MG) in the upper hoop. The upshot, according to Yonex, is less frame bending at impact, resulting in greater energy transfer to the ball. As a result, this racquet feels a tad firmer (especially in the upper hoop).
I don't think you'll find a good similarity with any particular Angell feedback, in all honesty. This is because the 95 and 100 are 'D' beams with uniform flex and the TC97 has an old school sort of hoop flex (think Classic Prestige or Phantoms). I think you will find the 'D' beams Angell offering more similar in feedback (more uniform flex from above handle) if you were to insist on a comparison. As opposed to very clear hoop flex of the box beam TC97.
haqq777
Legend
V3 TC97 have an average of 295 unstrung swingweight, as per Paul. With new manufacturing process, there is more consistency and tighter tolerances. With V2 versions you could find hairpins with bigger variations.
Also, Angell TC lines static weight and balance are adjusted by weight in the pallets. Hairpins are the same for all configurations in same line. So regardless of configuration, as long as the racquet is standard length (27 inches) they will have same swingweight.
For example, the 300g and 310g TC97 with 9pt HL and 6pt HL balance will have the same swingweight, just different weights in handle which determine their balance. Weight placement in handle has minimal affect on swingweight.
Hope that helps.
sanister
Professional
Hey esm, I was going to reply the same as @haqq777 but he replied first and saved me the hassle, LoL. I would echo his feelings; Ezone 98 feedback is not exactly same with any Angell currently offered but yeah, closer to D beam Angells feedback. I find TC 97 to play very differently and feedback very different too compared with TC 95 or TC100. That hoop is very flexy on the TC97 which is very different than current Ezones.
Personally I think DR98 were better but I may have the case of bias as I played with those as my main racket for a while. But you know Ezone98 aren't bad at all either.
Thanks guys. Looks like the D beam Angell is closer in similarity. That is good as I have more experience with the D beam (TC100 and TC95).
just intrigued with the Ezone range as I have seen quite a few times recently from various threads and also currently going through the 98 size phase.... hence the question.
just intrigued with the Ezone range as I have seen quite a few times recently from various threads and also currently going through the 98 size phase.... hence the question.
Get the Swing Tool APP. It´s great and it´s free. That´s what i use...
Ok i agree , but i use lead on the hoop , and that makes that flex go away...
OlgaOM
Rookie
Hmm, it’s a bit weird. Mine is 299 strung as I learned recently, and I believe I have the same specs (310, 9points HL)...
ChrisG
Professional
299 string is impossible. It must be the unstrung SW.
Using the swing tool app, my Tc 95 and 100 are around 345 strung (335g, 33cm balance, 2g @10, 2g@2)
My current spec
Head Protour630
a little custom
Weight 350
Balance 32.4
Swing Weight 340
Changed Pallet to Tk82S
I need more spin
I need more power
Thin beam
A little more twist weight
Which one i should try
what do you thinking about
Tc95 16x19 to replace my Protour630
and Pallet style is closest to Head Tk82S
Head Protour630
a little custom
Weight 350
Balance 32.4
Swing Weight 340
Changed Pallet to Tk82S
I need more spin
I need more power
Thin beam
A little more twist weight
Which one i should try
what do you thinking about
Tc95 16x19 to replace my Protour630
and Pallet style is closest to Head Tk82S
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ChrisG
Professional
I have a PT630 with closed specs, only a bit lighter (343g). I use a TC95 16x19.
They are very different frames, Tc95 will give your exactly what you’re looking for. my only doubt is could it be too much? Maybe tc95 18x20 might be enough in terms of additional spin and power ?
Also people on these boards have compared the box beam TC97 to the PT630, but then it could be too close to what you already have.
Anyways, Tc95 16x19 is an awesome frame, you can’t go wrong
They are very different frames, Tc95 will give your exactly what you’re looking for. my only doubt is could it be too much? Maybe tc95 18x20 might be enough in terms of additional spin and power ?
Also people on these boards have compared the box beam TC97 to the PT630, but then it could be too close to what you already have.
Anyways, Tc95 16x19 is an awesome frame, you can’t go wrong
It can´t be that low strung. 290 unstrung seems correct , but with strings it has to be at leas very close to 320 swingweight. How did you mesure it?
topspn
Legend
I agree with ChrisG, that does not sound like a good measurement. It means an unstrung SW around 269 which is way off
topspn
Legend
You would think that would be the case, however power seems parallel all things being equal. The V2 the 63RA had a bit more SW so may give tad more weight to your shot, however the V3 seems to have equalized SW so no longer a discernible factor. True difference is in feel with 70RA being a bit firmer feel. The 63RA is not noodly at all and both frames have a uniform flex to them and comfort is not an issue.
OlgaOM
Rookie
@topspn @Rui Lopes Well, my stringing guy measured it on his babolat RDS machine, but maybe the machine is off...it’s pretty old
BBender716
Professional
I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out should have just went back to hyper g or two sets of confidential I have.
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sanister
Professional
I actually found the TC95 to be very string sensitive. Any string I put in, the feedback sort of gets amplified for me. I'm guessing if you're used to full bed of poly, you will feel a big difference with gut/poly. I recommend playing with it till you break gut. Maybe you end up gelling with it, who knows! Better than cutting it out and blowing the money.I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out
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BBender716
Professional
BBender716
Professional
Yeah it's always super long. I'm used to hyper g full bed.
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sanister
Professional
I see. Yeah, I'm guessing that spin you get (that brings balls down inside baseline) from full bed of Hyper G isn't translating fully with gut/poly strings hence balls going long. I don't think you'll get more spin with the gut/poly than a full bed of poly like Hyper G. Afraid you'll have to change up tactics if you're a baseline player, and maybe rely more on touch feel type of a game. Just my $0.02
Its my go to string. I love it in my blade. But, I hate it in angells! It just didnt feel good in any angell I played it in. I loved rslyon in my Angell and hated that in my blade. Go figure..
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
This is just a suggestion before you cut the gut out. Since the gut produces more power, try to not hit your shots as hard through the ball, but focus on brushing the ball and coming from low to high with lots of force (I hope I'm making sense). This may still make the ball go a similar depth as with Hyper-G but not sail long.
I'm not sure what tension you had the strings at, but I bought a TC95 63RA 16x19 from the Bay and it had Klip Legend gut (black) in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses @ 53 lbs for both from the sticker on the throat. It played very well, but when I put some extra juice on my shots, I needed to focus on giving it the extra racquet head speed and a real good brush from low to high for the ball to go in. If I did that the shot just rocketed in.
I hope it helps. Pity to waste the gut.
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landcookie
Semi-Pro
Hey folks. What's the difference between the D beam of 95/100 and the box beam of 97?
Also, for those who have both the 95 and 100, how do they compare?
Thanks!
Also, for those who have both the 95 and 100, how do they compare?
Thanks!
sanister
Professional
Surely you mean low to high? As in exaggerating in sort of a windshield wiper stroke? I'm trying to take a mental image of a high to low brush and keep picturing a slap like swat.