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ed70

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Tennisist said:
K7 Red has noticeably more flex, and more power.
However, I still prefer PS97 to it.
1) FEEL: K7's impact lets much more reverberations through. PS97 impact is very muted, very short, barely perceivable and heard. ( I use the CV version ). PS97 feels so much "calmer" during play, which I prefer.
2) STABILITY: PS97 is much more stable. This is very noticeable on volleys. Not the doubles kind of pokes, but the volleys that you have to take mid-court, potentially bearing the full power of your opponent. K7 twists and rebounds, PS97 just plows forward like an armored vehicle.
3) SERVE: there is definitely more "action" on the ball with K7 -- the ball bends and bounces and sometimes catapults with a remarkable speed. But with all this, I also miss a lot, and I feel I cannot really aim. I get nothing of this excitement with PS97, and my serves with it are quite "subdued". However, I can aim pretty well. The ball goes where I intend it, and I barely miss a serve.
So, I feel much more "at home" and "in control" with PS97.
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Really?
Only have extensive experience with the 2015 PS 315g although I believe more recent to be pretty similar & it had considerably more power, plough & stability to the K7 that needs weighting up. K7 Touch, feel and comfort was better though. 2015 prostaff the better frame for me, I could use one now & play good tennis, it was actually the front runner before I swapped to the TC97.
 
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ed70

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topspn said:
I used to use black night on my TC95s. I think they’d also play pretty good with mayami tour hex and big spin
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Black knight is a great string as a full bed, thanks for the tip a while back. Whilst resting my knee I was rooting around & found some babolat origin that I had left over & strung up a hybrid with black knight in the mains, plays unbelievably well & great on my arm that’s sensitive when I’m having to be in and out of the game with knee arthritis.
 
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ed70 said:
Black knight is a great string as a full bed, thanks for the tip a while back. Whilst resting my knee I was rooting around & found some babolat origin that I had left over & strung up a hybrid with black knight in the mains, plays unbelievably well & great on my arm that’s sensitive when I’m having to be in and out of the game with knee arthritis.
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Hope you're on the courts soon! Feel better
 
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ed70 said:
Black knight is a great string as a full bed, thanks for the tip a while back. Whilst resting my knee I was rooting around & found some babolat origin that I had left over & strung up a hybrid with black knight in the mains, plays unbelievably well & great on my arm that’s sensitive when I’m having to be in and out of the game with knee arthritis.
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I agree... had that string set-up in my UT 18x20 and UP 16x19... a fantastic combo. Great control, plush feel... can't ask for more.
 
Strayfire

Strayfire

Rookie
So I'm playing with my TC97 16x19.

Balls seem to be flying a little bit long.

Partly; it will take some time to get used to it, but does anyone have any other multi recommends for the TC97?
 
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esm

Legend
Strayfire said:
So I'm playing with my TC97 16x19.

Balls seem to be flying a little bit long.

Partly; it will take some time to get used to it, but does anyone have any other multi recommends for the TC97?
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maybe up the tension a bit and see if that improves.
i am a big fan of the Halo 3 - maybe that could be an option.
(i use it extensively with TC95 16x19, and have strung up a TC97 18x20, but not able to hit the court yet during our lockdown 3.0... i am aware of the difference between a TC95 and TC97, but will see how it goes on a TC97)
 
bleno567

bleno567

Professional
I am intrigued by this new K7 Lime XL. I've been hoping for a 98" or 100" 18x20 Angell frame.

Can anybody tell me about the beam profile? The beam thickness spec isn't on the Angell website. Constant beam? 21mm?
 
Dansan

Dansan

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^Might be 20 or 21 mm tapered. Can't remember off the top of my head but that was the original K7.

About to buy another TC95 16x19 63 RA.....already have a copper, should I go with the octane ? The advertised unstrung balance is constant regardless of whether or not you order a synthetic or leather grip correct?
 
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Dansan said:
^Might be 20 or 21 mm tapered. Can't remember off the top of my head but that was the original K7.

About to buy another TC95 16x19 63 RA.....already have a copper, should I go with the octane ? The advertised unstrung balance is constant regardless of whether or not you order a synthetic or leather grip correct?
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Yes, the balance and weight you order are what you'll receive, irrespective of the grip chosen.

As for Octane, it depends if you hold a strong Gloss vs. Matte preference, as well as the Octane being very smooth. If you did go for it, I'd also ask Paul to match it to your current TC95 as by default Octane is supposed to have a slightly higher swingweight.
 
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RF_PRO_STAFF

Professional
These posts really make me want to buy a TC95 16x19 63RA, but they're so expensive. I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it but it's hard for me to pull the trigger. The version I would buy (310g, 315mm, standard length, black leather, racket sack, string sample pack) alone already is €211/$255. But if I would go for a TC95, I would also have to order a few grommet sets and probably another leather grip.

It's quite the investment for me, I would need to sell my UP18 first but nobody seems to want to buy it on the Book of Faces.
Do you guys think it's worth trying selling it on here? I'm only selling within Europe.
 
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esm

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RF_PRO_STAFF said:
These posts really make me want to buy a TC95 16x19 63RA, but they're so expensive. I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it but it's hard for me to pull the trigger. The version I would buy (310g, 315mm, standard length, black leather, racket sack, string sample pack) alone already is €211/$255. But if I would go for a TC95, I would also have to order a few grommet sets and probably another leather grip.

It's quite the investment for me, I would need to sell my UP18 first but nobody seems to want to buy it on the Book of Faces.
Do you guys think it's worth trying selling it on here? I'm only selling within Europe.
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definitely worth trying - there maybe a few in the for sale section of the forum, without having to spend the full amount.
you may want to double check on the tax/VAT now that Paul has left the EU... so there maybe an additional cost on top.
racquet sells here, i have bought a few before, no harm in giving that a go also.
 
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ed70

Professional
Strayfire said:
So I'm playing with my TC97 16x19.

Balls seem to be flying a little bit long.

Partly; it will take some time to get used to it, but does anyone have any other multi recommends for the TC97?
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In what way are you hitting long? Always found hitting long was more of a technique issue over string. The TC97 16x19 isn’t the most spinny 16x19 so mid court balls will need a bit of topspin brush up on the ball. TC97 has a noticeably lower net clearance to the tc 95.
 
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ed70

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Dansan said:
^Might be 20 or 21 mm tapered. Can't remember off the top of my head but that was the original K7.

About to buy another TC95 16x19 63 RA.....already have a copper, should I go with the octane ? The advertised unstrung balance is constant regardless of whether or not you order a synthetic or leather grip correct?
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Octane with grey grip simply stunning, racquet Porn.
 
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Pneumated1

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RF_PRO_STAFF said:
These posts really make me want to buy a TC95 16x19 63RA, but they're so expensive. I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it but it's hard for me to pull the trigger. The version I would buy (310g, 315mm, standard length, black leather, racket sack, string sample pack) alone already is €211/$255. But if I would go for a TC95, I would also have to order a few grommet sets and probably another leather grip.

It's quite the investment for me, I would need to sell my UP18 first but nobody seems to want to buy it on the Book of Faces.
Do you guys think it's worth trying selling it on here? I'm only selling within Europe.
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I'd recommend keeping your Ultra Tour because there's just something special about it, and you can always get another UP 18x20 if you need a path of recourse. Those were the specs of my TC95 16x19s. I'd get it in Octane for a slight boost in swing weight (and the sheer beauty of that cosmetic). Those specs would be great stock but also a nice platform for further customization. It'll hit a bully ball; that I can assure you.
 
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Pneumated1 said:
I'd recommend keeping your Ultra Tour because there's just something special about it, and you can always get another UP 18x20 if you need a path of recourse. Those were the specs of my TC95 16x19s. I'd get it in Octane for a slight boost in swing weight (and the sheer beauty of that cosmetic). Those specs would be great stock but also a nice platform for further customization. It'll hit a bully ball; that I can assure you.
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I'm definitely keeping my Ultra Tour. I don't need the UP18 as I believe and feel they are the same rackets. If I would be using the UT/UP as my main rackets, I would keep it but the VC95's are definitely my main sticks.

Thanks for your light on the subject.
 
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esm said:
definitely worth trying - there maybe a few in the for sale section of the forum, without having to spend the full amount.
you may want to double check on the tax/VAT now that Paul has left the EU... so there maybe an additional cost on top.
racquet sells here, i have bought a few before, no harm in giving that a go also.
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Yeah there might be a TC95 in my ideal spec for sale on the forum but if I decide to go for one, I actually would like to order a brand new one from Paul. It's just a beautiful process of ordering your own custom racket, shiny new.

Good point about the tax/VAT thing because of Brexit. Definitely need to double check that before ordering.
 
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Pneumated1

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RF_PRO_STAFF said:
I'm definitely keeping my Ultra Tour. I don't need the UP18 as I believe and feel they are the same rackets. If I would be using the UT/UP as my main rackets, I would keep it but the VC95's are definitely my main sticks.

Thanks for your light on the subject.
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You really can't go wrong with either paint scheme. The V3 Copper/Black is also beautiful, and the gloss black is undeniably the most durable of any paint I've ever hit. But note that the average swing weight on those was ~325 (strung). Octane is a little higher. I'd personally be torn between that durability and smooth matte of the Octane. I prefer matte, but after hitting the Angell gloss, I know why people do. It's 'deeper' than mere cosmetics.
 
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RF_PRO_STAFF

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Pneumated1 said:
You really can't go wrong with either paint scheme. The V3 Copper/Black is also beautiful, and the gloss black is undeniably the most durable of any paint I've ever hit. But note that the average swing weight on those was ~325 (strung). Octane is a little higher. I'd personally be torn between that durability and smooth matte of the Octane. I prefer matte, but after hitting the Angell gloss, I know why people do. It's 'deeper' than mere cosmetics.
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My preference at this point is the Copper paint, truly beautiful. If the swingweight were to be too low for my taste, I have zero problems customizing it a bit to get it to ideal spec. The Octane looks insane too.
 
Strayfire

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ed70 said:
In what way are you hitting long? Always found hitting long was more of a technique issue over string. The TC97 16x19 isn’t the most spinny 16x19 so mid court balls will need a bit of topspin brush up on the ball. TC97 has a noticeably lower net clearance to the tc 95.
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Might have been the Summer heat. I was having a particularly bad experience a week ago, thought I needed to change strings. Played fine today (23C).

You are probably right in saying it's a technique issue. It's that or 39C (around 100F) + high humidity got to frying my brain.
 
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ed70

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Strayfire said:
Might have been the Summer heat. I was having a particularly bad experience a week ago, thought I needed to change strings. Played fine today (23C).

You are probably right in saying it's a technique issue. It's that or 39C (around 100F) + high humidity got to frying my brain.
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Ha we don’t get that heat in the U.K. maybe once in a lifetime, but yeh the ball travels quicker in heat. I find the TC 97’s really swing quick though the air, which I think adds to the power keeping it whippy. I sometimes crack my backhand (double hand) long as it has less topspin to forehand, also hit backhand harder as you can really get through the ball, so I sometimes have to shorten my stroke a little.
 
Strayfire

Strayfire

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ed70 said:
Ha we don’t get that heat in the U.K. maybe once in a lifetime, but yeh the ball travels quicker in heat. I find the TC 97’s really swing quick though the air, which I think adds to the power keeping it whippy. I sometimes crack my backhand (double hand) long as it has less topspin to forehand, also hit backhand harder as you can really get through the ball, so I sometimes have to shorten my stroke a little.
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Every now and then we get temperatures that melt the roads.

I find the TC97 to be very forgiving in that I can use a very short stroke while on the defensive. I'm not sure how whippy your TC97 is, but mine is slightly off-spec and more HH than I ordered. Still works fine. It doesn't feel as awkward to swing sometimes as my VCP HD.

I would put it down to lack of familiarity and hot weather I guess.

Paul put a 10% coupon in my box so I'm trying to decide if I want another 1 or 2 TC97s.
 
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ed70

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Strayfire said:
Every now and then we get temperatures that melt the roads.

I find the TC97 to be very forgiving in that I can use a very short stroke while on the defensive. I'm not sure how whippy your TC97 is, but mine is slightly off-spec and more HH than I ordered. Still works fine. It doesn't feel as awkward to swing sometimes as my VCP HD.

I would put it down to lack of familiarity and hot weather I guess.

Paul put a 10% coupon in my box so I'm trying to decide if I want another 1 or 2 TC97s.
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My v2’s come in at 295sw unstrung, 310g 9hl. bought an octane frame last year that was supposably a higher sw to my others but I’d be lying if I said I could feel any difference. The 97’s are really stable so you can block and punch the ball & still be in the point.
Will be interesting to see if Angell have any plans for TC line.
 
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Faris

Faris

Professional
Hi guys, been out of the Angell loop lately... whats the feedback on Cyan? Is it anything like the ASL3??
 
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Grigore Petre said:
Any thoughts about TC95 310g octane ?
I'm thinking about this specs
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Don't think anyone has anything particularly bad to say about this.

I have one 63RA, 18x20, 9pts HL, with some lead at 3&9.

As expected with the 18x20 pattern, I found the launch angle to be somewhat low, although I think I can make adjustments to my game to compensate, but can't test it out due to lockdown.

I think I personally prefer the TC97 though for a crisper feel, but not so much as the 70RA version.
 
Nick777

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Paulo Braz said:
The feel follows the line of the k7 Red and lime, however I felt the cyan firmer in terms of flexion and also more stable. K7 line feels totally different from the tc line
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Is it faster than k7 red?More powerful i suppose too.Do you suggest cyan for sensitive arms?
 
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whysoserious

New User
Appreciate everyone contributing to this awesome thread! And of course Paul for making these amazing frames!

Quick question: How does the K7 compare to the TC95 18x20 63RA in terms of comfort?
 
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emhtennis

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TomTennis495 said:
What’s the best way to try these? Buy and sell? Have a friend wanting to try the lime but no access to a demo in noCal
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Yes, buy and sell, or try and find someone in your local area and see if they'll let you hit with theirs. Many bigger cities have a Facebook tennis group that could work well for this.

Angell rackets hold their value really well on the for-sale section here. If you bought a brand new racket and were careful during the demo you could probably get 80-90% retail value.

You can also hunt the classifieds here and buy used. Older Angell frames usually seem to sell between $110 and $150 depending on the wear and tear.
 
TomTennis495

TomTennis495

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emhtennis said:
Yes, buy and sell, or try and find someone in your local area and see if they'll let you hit with theirs. Many bigger cities have a Facebook tennis group that could work well for this.

Angell rackets hold their value really well on the for-sale section here. If you bought a brand new racket and were careful during the demo you could probably get 80-90% retail value.

You can also hunt the classifieds here and buy used. Older Angell frames usually seem to sell between $110 and $150 depending on the wear and tear.
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Ok, thanks for that info. I think finding a used one is going to be hard given the search i did. I think your idea of buying and selling makes sense but probably will lose $20 from retail value and than another $20 to ship. So that's a $40 demo.
 
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Best bet might be to try and find someone else near you that has one... so posting in this thread was probably a good idea.

Unfortunately, I am nowhere near you :p
 
TomTennis495

TomTennis495

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Thanks. Im asking for a buddy in the San Fran area. Nowhere near me. He's a really good player. Former college but having arm issues.
 
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