mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
I’m sure it wasn’t your intention but you know how it’s easy to misinterpret intent on the internet. Sometimes it’s hard to determine the “tone.”
The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
I just re read my post again and I don’t see how the “tone” would seem combative at all unless you get upset when someone asks what your racquet specs are. It was a legit question. I don’t expect everyone to like the same exact thing, that would be boring.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
I didn’t think so either. But everyone’s mind interprets things differently though. And for many folks on the board, English is not their first or primary language either.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Everyone has their wheelhouse spec for frames where everything seems to fit just right. I can't objectively criticize your opinion because its how you felt. I felt just the opposite, that for its weight and swingweight it was surprisingly easy to swing.
But I've found that on the Clash thread as well. Lots of people praising the control of the frame and lots of people criticizing the control. Everyone is different.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Ok, so what is your point? Should we all stop posting basic questions because one guy gets offended by them? I don’t really see a huge issue here. In literally every thread about a frame, if someone says “this frame feels XXX” and most people who own one feel “YYY”, they will probably try and ask him some questions to see if he has a dud or figure out if it’s a bad fit. If that is offensive to someone, than I guess participating in racquet threads is a waste of time.
Just for the record, there was no issue here at all. It was brought up by another poster who was not even in the discussion.
BHold81
Semi-Pro
Yes, presented the question to see if I was just having an off day or if anyone else felt that way, since so many posts were about how fast it felt, and I was considering another, longer demo. But don't worry about negative comments on these boards. It's not worth it.
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Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
You cant compare a Formula 1 race car (93P) to a truck (Clash)
Well. its more like a BMW 330i vs a Lincoln Navigator, TBH.
3 Series:
Control
Acceleration
Feel with the road
Crisp suspension
Navigator:
Pricey
comfy but vague handling
Powerful
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Deleted member 54265
Guest
You forgot about the looks
And made the 93p a 4 seater...
TennisHound
Legend
Maybe my post was a little stiff. You weren’t combative or negative. Even so, there is a tendency to look at these racquets with rose-colored glasses and question the users experience. You didn’t come right out and say “That’s not what you’re feeling,” but there was a sudden response to check the specs and other similarly humorous replies.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Well, yeah simply because the selling characteristic of the frame for a lot of people is that it is rather fast through the air for being 345-350 grams with a nice SW. Not sure if it’s humorous or just a lot of users genuinely wondering if something may be off. The beauty of using a mid is that they are (in general) fairly fast in the hand, even if they are heavier weighted. I think we all believe someone if they say it is sluggish to them. It’s their experience, not ours. The question was more about why.
One main thing about this frame is how well it is balanced. It is worth making sure that it’s on spec or else the experience could be pretty crappy. Of course, not everyone will like it regardless, but if you do, the balance is usually a stand out feature. That, and I would say that it plays a little bigger - like a 95.
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
It seems weird, but it does happen. I've had a total of four 93P's, and while three of the four were almost identical in play, one felt light and anemic, even though nothing in the specs would suggest a such difference in feel. Also, it seems like there is a little variance in the paint used, too. Though it played nicely, one of the four paint chipped more easily.
Samething with the IG Prestiges & the classic favorite like the Spectrum Comp, though. While some will feel and play close to each other, there is always that odd frame that is way off the listed specs, or way off in feel and playability even if the specs are close to the listed specs. Some said it was probably due to different manufacturing plants doing their own thing.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
If someone walked on a Babolat board and reported that their Pure Drive felt low powered, how do you think the response would go?
BHold81
Semi-Pro
I took zero offense to your original reply to me. A lot of people on these boards are jerks. You're not one of them.
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
Lincoln all day everyday because of Matthew McConaughey and his weird commercials.
TennisHound
Legend
I know @Power Player is a solid guy too.
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Service Ace
Hall of Fame
If I like the "bite" of the 14x18 93p but would like a little more weight in the racquet, should I just go ahead and buy a POG Mid (never having played with one) or do the 93p and the POG Mid play noticeably different?
Boubi
Professional
I played with both racquets, pog cannot be compared to the 93p....
93p is a great racquet...
am1899
Legend
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
I love the bite down (spin) of the 14x18, especially on serves and slices. More control and power out of the 18x20 so easier to hit flat shots. Can't comment on stiffness as I never notice it. Only racquet to have ever given me arm problems is the Bisner.
I've never been able to overpower or outlast opponents so I'm leaning towards the 14x18 for the vastly improved serve accuracy/consistency. May try adding some weight at twelve and the handle for a bit more plow which I feel is the major thing missing from both these frames.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I didn't really notice a big difference in how the 18x20 and 14x18 felt as far as harshness is concerned. Both felt "comfortably crisp". I think the more open stringbed makes up for the slightly higher RA for the 14x18.
Anton
Legend
It puts the lead on!
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Just bought 2 18x20s as Tennis Only in Australia had a Buy One Get One Free (otherwise known as 50% off) on all Prince racquets YAY!!!
Anton
Legend
I did notice 14x18 being a little stiffer...though now that I could use Ngut mains, so it’s a wash.
stephenclown
Professional
Just bought 2 18x20s as Tennis Only in Australia had a Buy One Get One Free (otherwise known as 50% off) on all Prince racquets YAY!!!
hmmm **** thats amazing. I may get in on that. Please don't tempt me, I already have 2 matched that play amazing.
I just bought and that deal left me pretty p!ssed that I didn’t wait...
stephenclown
Professional
You also have the 18x20 100 now though? haha and the 14x18 isnt available in Aus so it worked out well for the price for you? More racquets is more fun.
Hope the 18x20 is going well, I need a restring soon though. RPM Blast cuts itself so quickly and the coating wears off way too quickly. Also it doesn't feel that good compared to some others.
There are actually so many good prince racquets at the moment. Beast 98 Ports and ported Phantom are lots of fun. The ported phantom is seriously a pillow and hits with heaps of spin. With a tonne of lead it would hit a monstrous ball.
Yet to string up the 93P 18x20, going with a full bet of gut for now, figure I can hit flat with it and then if I want the spin grab the 14x18 out of the bag.
Not sure what to do with the 100” 18x20 yet.
That's an amazing deal.
Given that Singapore is not getting the 14x18 93P and PP100 (18x20), I would take advantage of this offer to stock up if I could.
Same as Australia, I got the 93P 14x18 and PP100 18x20 from the US.
Sweet. Would love to hear your thoughts on differences of all 3, once you have spent some time on them.
The two 93Ps for sure, but at the moment I don’t plan to keep the PP100 18x20 (still unstrung)
I play tested the PP100P and I wasn’t sold on it, so I’m not entirely convinced the PP100 will be any better.
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The PP100 (18x20) specs seem quite different from PP100P tho. The only reason I'm considering PP100 (18x20) is because spec wise it looks like the friendlier 93P.
Yeah I thought the same, but I’m not convinced; they actually sent it to me by mistake so I’m not fussed about keeping it at the moment.
What I didn’t like about the PP100P is on my backhand (SHBH) I just felt like I lost the ball in the stringbed, didn’t get the feel and control I like; but maybe the 18x20 fixes that?
I also prefer the feel of box beams, so I may not like PP100 for that reason. At any rate, I’m not planning to find out.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I'd say the PP100 18x20 swings more similar to the PP93P 18x20 but it plays more like the PP100P.
I'd still rank the 93P as the crown jewel of the Phantom series. I think the PP100 18x20 is a step down in control and feel but offers a little more forgiveness. Its a forecourt monster but lacks the precision and plow on serves and baseline strokes that you get from the 93P.
I love all my phantoms for different reasons. Each are a bit unique. Phantom 100 is the comfort king. PP100 18x20 is the fore court king. 93P is the FH/serving king. And my POG 107 is the 2HBH and RoS king.
Wish I could swap them in and out based on the needs at that second but alas tennis is not golf.
I've got a PP100 (16x18) and a PP100P and have demo'd the Phantom 100 and both 93p models. In my opinion, in stock form, the PP100P plays more similar to the 93p than the PP100 does. I haven't tried the PP100 18x20, but the 16x18 doesn't feel very similar to the 93p (either one) in my opinion.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
The PP100 18x20 is a bit different from the other 16x18 100's in that they gave it more similar weight and balance to the 93P being a bit heavier and more HL than the 16x18's. So it swings through the air more like a 93P. But then when striking the ball it feels more like the Phantom 100. Muted and soft but better feel on touch shots. It's kind of like the Phantom 100 and the 93P had a child.
Gotcha. I hadn't really looked into the specs of the 18x20 since I'm generally not a fan of 18x20 patterns. By the way, the Pro 100 16x18, leaded up, plays pretty interesting. I had TW lead mine up to basically match the stock specs of the Pro 100p, thinking they'd play somewhat similar. Nope. I actually like the Pro 100p better with a little bit of lead at 10 and 2, but the Pro 100 leaded up has a lot more plowthrough than stock, but still with that very noticeable racquet "flex" feel on ball impact.
See now I want a PP100P just to round out my set...
ionelneica
New User
Hi
How will compare prince 93p with head prestige classic 600? The head has 350g strung and balance is 31.5 cm.
How will compare prince 93p with head prestige classic 600? The head has 350g strung and balance is 31.5 cm.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
P93 has the heritage but the prestige is a softer frame with a smaller sweet spot. The prestige is more demanding to use as well due to this.
Prestige classic is one of the greatest feeling frames of all time. The p93 holds its own in terms of feel but also is a little more forgiving to those with a more modern grip and stroke.
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
As @Power Player described, the Prestige Pro/Classic/Mid/600 is one of the all-time great frames. There is probably a good reason (*or reasons) why so many pros used it as their weapon of choice. The 93P doesn’t have the buttery & muted/vibration free feel of the Prestige Mid, but it feels crisp, yet soft, and it has awesome impact feel. I have been hitting with the IG Prestige Mid lately, and while it feels really nice, I miss the forgiveness and maneuverability of the 93P. The 93P can do everything that the IG Prestige Mid can do but better & easier, imo.
To me, it is the best stick for the former mid users who needed more forgiveness in their frames, or the MP/Tweener users who want to play more attacking style all-court play.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
Had a chance to hit with the 93p the last 2 days. I strung mine up with black cyclone 1.25 mains and v pro 1.23 crosses at 45/43 on an electronic constant pull.
Great frame. It’s definitely designed for attacking aggressive all court players. Isn’t the best when scrambling and trying to defend.
Hits a big heavy ball. Took a little time to get used to how quickly it comes through the contact zone. I was a bit early initially but wasn’t hard to adjust my timing. Great feel and stability on volleys.
One oddity: @Power Player when you take a big cut at the ball, does he ball ever fly unexpectedly on you? It happened a few times. When I take a bigger cut than my normal rally ball from the baseline, the frame would flex and hold the ball longer than usual and then the strings would grab a little more then release and shoot the ball long. Other than that, i didn’t have any other issues with it.
I was able to control my serves but the static weight is on the heftier side for me so I definitely lose some racquet head speed. My serve didn’t have the same amount of pop and action off the bounce that it has with some lighter sticks.
Overall, it’s a great stick.
Great frame. It’s definitely designed for attacking aggressive all court players. Isn’t the best when scrambling and trying to defend.
Hits a big heavy ball. Took a little time to get used to how quickly it comes through the contact zone. I was a bit early initially but wasn’t hard to adjust my timing. Great feel and stability on volleys.
One oddity: @Power Player when you take a big cut at the ball, does he ball ever fly unexpectedly on you? It happened a few times. When I take a bigger cut than my normal rally ball from the baseline, the frame would flex and hold the ball longer than usual and then the strings would grab a little more then release and shoot the ball long. Other than that, i didn’t have any other issues with it.
I was able to control my serves but the static weight is on the heftier side for me so I definitely lose some racquet head speed. My serve didn’t have the same amount of pop and action off the bounce that it has with some lighter sticks.
Overall, it’s a great stick.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I find its my best stick when playing someone equal or less than my skill level and if I'm playing someone above my skill level it starts to lose out to a more forgiving stick. If I'm in a match where I can be aggressive, and I like to be agressive, it's by far my favorite.
If I can't be a agressive, I'm probably losing anyway so I can grab any stick and go out there and get beat lol.
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
@Dartagnan64 I think you are spot on with the 93P being a disadvantage when playing someone better than you.
This thread is 10 more posts away from surpassing the much hyped Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils) thread where half of the posts are from people who think it's really an H19.
This thread is 10 more posts away from surpassing the much hyped Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils) thread where half of the posts are from people who think it's really an H19.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
The Ultra Tour is an awesome stick when modded. My thoughts and comparison...
Stock 93p with just an og installed vs modded Ultra Tour (11.8oz):
Groundstrokes: Ultra Tour is more consistent and more controlled while 93p has a bit more plow. Sharp angles are easier to generate with the Ultra Tour than 93p for me. Both are excellent from the baseline, but the edge goes to the Ultra Tour.
Volleys: 93p is just more solid and stable. Edge clearly to 93p
Serves: easier to get more rhs with my modded Ultra Tour. The 12+oz static weight is harder for me to get the same rhs. Edge to Ultra Tour
Unexpected surprise factor: sometimes some frames have you wondering what just happened while others are so predictable truly feeling like an extension of your arm. The Ultra Tour just has that extension of the arm feeling. The 93p offers great control except when I was really letting loose on balls. Then the frame would flex, hold the ball on the strings a bit longer and the ball would shoot long leaving me wondering what just happened? Edge to Ultra Tour.
End of the day? Can’t go wrong with either. Both are great feeling and great playing sticks.
So which one will I stick with? Probably gonna be switching to the Yonex VCore Pro 97 (310).
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flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
That's precisely why I switched from the 93P to the PP100P. I am playing more singles tournaments this year, and I am bound to face better players. This means time is taken away from me, and having to do more retrieving, where the 100 sq.in. frame definitely helps. It still has, however, enough stability and control to allow me to play aggressively, and definitely isn't a shrinking violet with its 330 SW. I miss the 93P on serve, though. The added mass certainly help me generate a faster 1st serve.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I'm playing in a seniors Masters tournament and will be facing higher level players for sure. I'll be using my PP100 18x20 and likely appreciating the net saves I make with the 100 and missing the pop on serve I get with the 93P. Everything is compromise sadly.
