The Ski Club

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Very impressive, great playing classic rackets !
I bet you play them since you have overgripped the leathers and protected the sweet spots with string protectors ?
I love playing these molds with natural gut and nice leather grips.

Yes, I do play them, love the feel. They're a bit hard on the arm (not as much as the Adidas versions), but really fun.

The White Star Masters 30 is considerably easier to play. It's at the sport shop being restrung, I will need to get another one.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Since we are talking about being members of the Ski Club, I am currently having this made:

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BorgCash

Legend
I have three Vacuum Pro 90, two King Size President and one Superform Open Team. All the racquets are great. Even old Superform of Stan Smith. Got this one also.
 

dje31

Professional
I have three Vacuum Pro 90, two King Size President and one Superform Open Team. All the racquets are great. Even old Superform of Stan Smith. Got this one also.

Always wanted a Superform as a kid. Really need to add one of those to my collection.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
@Sanglier I was trying to look up the patent for C.A.P. System grommets and I am having no luck and I was wondering if you can help out? Its an Austrian Patent 386531. I'm mainly very curios as to who came up with the original design. Cheers, VS
 

Sanglier

Professional
@Sanglier I was trying to look up the patent for C.A.P. System grommets and I am having no luck and I was wondering if you can help out? Its an Austrian Patent 386531. I'm mainly very curios as to who came up with the original design. Cheers, VS

Hi VS, the Austrian patents don't mention inventors by name, but the US version of this patent does!

The US patent was filed one year later than the Austrian original, on July 9, 1986, and issued on October 11, 1988 (4776592). The inventors are listed as Helmut Umlauft and Karl-Heinz Wäger.

Umlauft went on to author 9 more US patents for Head Austria through 1998, two of which with Wäger as co-author, ending with the sub-10 Oz super stiff frame design with the dampener in the butt, which was the basis of the i.S series. He also co-authored the 1990/1991 grip pallet patents with Robert Marte (the US version was granted in 1992: 5129656). The only significant racquet patents from Head Austria not attributed to him are those involving the piezoelectric vibration dampening system, so he was either their main engineer or director of R&D! :)
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Hi VS, the Austrian patents don't mention inventors by name, but the US version of this patent does!

The US patent was filed one year later than the Austrian original, on July 9, 1986, and issued on October 11, 1988 (4776592). The inventors are listed as Helmut Umlauft and Karl-Heinz Wäger.

Umlauft went on to author 9 more US patents for Head Austria through 1998, two of which with Wäger as co-author, ending with the sub-10 Oz super stiff frame design with the dampener in the butt, which was the basis of the i.S series. He also co-authored the 1990/1991 grip pallet patents with Robert Marte (the US version was granted in 1992: 5129656). The only significant racquet patents from Head Austria not attributed to him are those involving the piezoelectric vibration dampening system, so he was either their main engineer or director of R&D! :)
Thank you so much! You are the best! :) Umlauft also designed skis as well. True engineers!
 

dje31

Professional
And last I checked I believe HEAD claims to still be using the piezo intelligent fibers in a number of current or recent skis. It is / was listed in the construction specs.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
In researching K2 tennis racquets, I discovered this thread. Sorry for bumping an old thread. Bought and sold tons sports equipment in my lifetime and I only regret letting go of 2:

1) Pristine US made 1st edition Burgundy Prestige Pro
2) Rossi 4SK with MRR bindings ( 4M, 4G, 7SK Dynastar Coupe Du Monde GS, Vokl P9 and many more.. but that 4SK)

Because of this, I will never sell my Scotty Cameron Newport 2.. going to the grave with that one.

My contribution to this thread: two 04 (pristine), 06, 10, EX


2 beat up 04s that will get a face lift (one is in transition) and go in the bag:

 

Ultra 2

Professional
Yes, Pro Star is Pro Staff:)

While it makes sense for Elan (ski company) to sell re-badged Wilson Tennis frames, I don't see what the advantages are for Head to manufacture K2 tennis products to compete against their own Prestige line (this was mentioned earlier in the thread). If it was to win over some skiers that had brand loyalty to K2.. would that be the reason? Odd to see that they mostly went with an advanced player's frame.. and not a clubby wide body which were popular at the time (I see one of those out there as well).
 
What a fun thread to read as it brought back a lot of memories. Growing up in the Rocky Mountain West, the local sporting goods store would sell tennis and cycling stuff in the summer and ski stuff in the winter. They had a huge sale twice a year when they swapped inventory. Those sales were the only way I could afford some of the nice tennis stuff I had when younger (POG, Adidas ATP shoes etc) since they sold the stuff for pennies on the dollar. I skied on Rossi Freestyles with Solomon bindings and Dolomite boots and Scott poles back then (and played the Head Ashe Comp 1 for a while which was the purest expression of ski technology made into a tennis racquet). My ski company related tennis gear I still have are a Fischer Superform Stan Smith, a Yamaha YFG50, and a whole bunch of various Head models. Anyone else recall the stainless steel sandwich (ala Head Ashe Comp) Volant skis made by Hank Kashiwa? One of the first shaped skis and super smooth but gawd they were heavy and would make your legs ache on a ski lift...
 

Ultra 2

Professional
I do remember the stainless Volants during the height of the Cap ski technology. Everyone was making the cap skis.. I was using the Rossi DV8’s at the time.

Ski and tennis companies were going through a revolution around this time:

Tennis: narrow beam > wide body> compromise to a higher beam playable frame

Skiing: traditional box sandwich > cap design > shorter shaped skis

A lot of people adopted the shorter shaped skis.. for me the longer ones were just dreamy.
 

BlueB

Legend
Metal Volant skis and snowboards rode like a charm. Torsionsal resistance gave them mega edge hold. However, cap and metal don't blend together well, due to the compound forces through 3d structure and small contact/adhesion area at the edge. They were notorious for delamination. I have delamed and irreversibly bent two of their snowboards.
Race skis and snowboards still have metal layers (space grade aluminum aloy "Titanal", that some manufacturers falsely promote as Titanium). However, those layers are now flat in the sandwitch. The high end rec skis have them too, sometimes with a composite cap, but metal itself is flat, under it.

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Ultra 2

Professional
Yeah we had Volants in our shop but they never really sold at that price point. On the higher end I had a Volkl P9 and a P10. I was told that Volkl had their own forest where their wood cores came from.

I can honestly say the P9s and P10s were too much ski for me. That and coming off lightweight Rossi’s, I felt that they were awfully heavy. At high speeds though, they cruised like an S class Mercedes.
 

BlueB

Legend
Yeah, you can't have it all. Heavy ski tracks at speed and dampens the vibration. Of course, at low speed and when you want to "muscle" it around, it just feels like a truck...

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coachrick

Hall of Fame
Yeah we had Volants in our shop but they never really sold at that price point. On the higher end I had a Volkl P9 and a P10. I was told that Volkl had their own forest where their wood cores came from.

I can honestly say the P9s and P10s were too much ski for me. That and coming off lightweight Rossi’s, I felt that they were awfully heavy. At high speeds though, they cruised like an S class Mercedes.
The one and only time I skied , they put me on Head Standards that looked like elf shoes...practically NOTHING behind the bindings. This was at Sugar Mountain, NC and they didn't allow beginners to have poles!!! I got fairly competent on the bunny slope(with rope pull), even to the point of helping others a bit. Then I made the mistake of going to a regular slope. It was funny and sad all at once ! Haven't been back in 40 years !!! :)
 

Ultra 2

Professional
The one and only time I skied , they put me on Head Standards that looked like elf shoes...practically NOTHING behind the bindings. This was at Sugar Mountain, NC and they didn't allow beginners to have poles!!! I got fairly competent on the bunny slope(with rope pull), even to the point of helping others a bit. Then I made the mistake of going to a regular slope. It was funny and sad all at once ! Haven't been back in 40 years !!! :)

Honestly, the first time is absolutely the worst by far. It gets better exponentially from that point on. At least you weren’t subjected to the teenage right of passage where your best friends take you up to the top of the mountain and just leave you there.. on your very first run.
 

Sanglier

Professional
The one and only time I skied , they put me on Head Standards that looked like elf shoes...practically NOTHING behind the bindings. This was at Sugar Mountain, NC and they didn't allow beginners to have poles!!! I got fairly competent on the bunny slope(with rope pull), even to the point of helping others a bit. Then I made the mistake of going to a regular slope. It was funny and sad all at once ! Haven't been back in 40 years !!! :)

I worked part time for a Sugar Mountain affiliate in the mid '80s, which later switched to Ski Beech, after there was some kind of falling out between the resort's co-owners. If I remember correctly, they also had some indirect ties with the Völkl distributor, something having to do with Sepp Kober?

"Elf shoe" skis came and went a number of times. Here is a pair produced in Japan by Hasegawa in the early '60s. They were called "Wedel skis", because they were super unstable, yet without the risk of crossing the tips, perfect for doing the Wedel, but completely unsuitable for going fast in a straight line.

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coachrick

Hall of Fame
Honestly, the first time is absolutely the worst by far. It gets better exponentially from that point on. At least you weren’t subjected to the teenage right of passage where your best friends take you up to the top of the mountain and just leave you there.. on your very first run.
Didn't help that a little bout with polio left me with one foot at a 34 degree outboard angle...of course meaning I could turn left like crazy but couldn't turn right to save my life !! I basically would ski until I fell...get up and re-align, ski more until I fell...rinse and repeat. Not a lot of fluffy snow at Sugar Mountain, btw. I'm glad my friends didn't try to make me run the mountain!!!
 

BlueB

Legend
Didn't help that a little bout with polio left me with one foot at a 34 degree outboard angle...of course meaning I could turn left like crazy but couldn't turn right to save my life !! I basically would ski until I fell...get up and re-align, ski more until I fell...rinse and repeat. Not a lot of fluffy snow at Sugar Mountain, btw. I'm glad my friends didn't try to make me run the mountain!!!
Snowboard would be much easier for you.
 

coachrick

Hall of Fame
Snowboard would be much easier for you.
After two surgeries on the foot(doing much better now ;) ) , I'm not chancing any damage by tempting the mountain snow gods ever again. :)
Pickleball and cycling are my two adventures nowadays !
 

NLBwell

Legend
Yeah, you can't have it all. Heavy ski tracks at speed and dampens the vibration. Of course, at low speed and when you want to "muscle" it around, it just feels like a truck...

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First skis I owned were 205cm Atomics with a steel layer. Was usually the fastest one on the mountain. Much easier to ski on more modern skis, but when the snow is rough and chunky I feel like I'm being bounced around and not in good control. Have to have be more careful about the conditions and direct the skis more.
Similar to older rackets vs. newer ones.
 

Sanglier

Professional
Lots of fluffy precipitation in the mountains as of late; which compels me to revive this thread again.

Since the last post above mentioned Atomic skis, here is a rather scarce example of an Atomic racquet. It is made in Belgium, and definitely has a Snauwaert look to it (consistent with what others had reported in the past). It also specs and plays just like a "Fortissimo Graphite", so it's a pretty safe bet that this is a Snauwaert contract product.
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In post #60, I had mentioned that I was a Völkl nut once, and had bought a bunch of their clothing from the shop I was working for in the mid-'80s. They were unsold inventory from years earlier, some of which dated back to the mid-'70s. I thought I had worn them all out or lost them, but recently came across a set that I had stashed away and forgotten about. The elastic bits have all dried out and turned into brown dust, so these are no longer wearable even if I hadn't suffered from closet shrinkage in the intervening decades.

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The terrycloth onesie below with its integral whitie-tighty had never been worn (the brown streaks are storage stains and not skid marks). I didn't know such a garment had existed at the time, and bought it mainly because it tickled my juvenile sensibility. I presume it was designed to produce a tucked-in look that could only be undone via catastrophic injury? Has anyone here ever worn something like this back in the day? Of course, there is a distinct possibility that this is a base layer for a ski outfit, not tennis, but I found it with those tennis clothing, hence the assumption.

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vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Lots of fluffy precipitation in the mountains as of late; which compels me to revive this thread again.

Since the last post above mentioned Atomic skis, here is a rather scarce example of an Atomic racquet. It is made in Belgium, and definitely has a Snauwaert look to it (consistent with what others had reported in the past). It also specs and plays just like a "Fortissimo Graphite", so it's a pretty safe bet that this is a Snauwaert contract product.
XB0bxTU.jpg


In post #60, I had mentioned that I was a Völkl nut once, and had bought a bunch of their clothing from the shop I was working for in the mid-'80s. They were unsold inventory from years earlier, some of which dated back to the mid-'70s. I thought I had worn them all out or lost them, but recently came across a set that I had stashed away and forgotten about. The elastic bits have all dried out and turned into brown dust, so these are no longer wearable even if I hadn't suffered from closet shrinkage in the intervening decades.

xdxmN6v.jpg


The terrycloth onesie below with its integral whitie-tighty had never been worn (the brown streaks are storage stains and not skid marks). I didn't know such a garment had existed at the time, and bought it mainly because it tickled my juvenile sensibility. I presume it was designed to produce a tucked-in look that could only be undone via catastrophic injury? Has anyone here ever worn something like this back in the day? Of course, there is a distinct possibility that this is a base layer for a ski outfit, not tennis, but I found it with those tennis clothing, hence the assumption.

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Pretty cool looking racket!
 

retrowagen

Hall of Fame
Judging from the material, massive collar, and long sleeves, my barely-educated guess is that @Sanglier ’s Völkl “onesie” was indeed a ski wear base layer; probably designed for the Germanic ski bunny of the late 1970’s. The logo appliquéd to the garment is the older corporate logo, which was superseded around 1982 by the newer version as seen on the warm-up jacket in the first photo.

The other articles of clothing pictured in the post above are consistent with the stuff pictured in the’85/‘86 Völkl Tennis catalog that’s in my possession.
 
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NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Wow, what a thread that I had never seen before! I could've added a like to each and every post lol. And, as a Fischer lover, I saw some absolute beauties. I posted some pictures of my own collection in the "Fischer faction" thread but here's two pics from 5 or 6 years ago maybe, I don't remember posting them before. I acquired a few more Pro Classic since -- some of them with the help of nice fellows from here, for which I am very grateful. My only remaining quest now is to find its most ancient incarnation, AKA the Vacuum Pro Plus… so far, very hard to find in pristine condition -- and with the right grip size for me.

Ski manufacturers used to make brilliant rackets, thanks all for sharing your great collections. (y)



 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
I found this one very recently. I have to clean it up first but it looks in very good condition considering its age. Will post better pics if anyone's interested.

 

McLovin

Legend
@NicoMK , nice collection! I don't know if you're interested, but I have a couple of Pro Tour Extreme FTs that I'd love to see go to someone who appreciates them. I have a total of 5 or 6, but have strung a couple & played around w/ strings/tension/balance/etc. But there are a couple just sitting in my basement, in both heavy (325g) and light (295g), and with plastic on the grip & placard in the middle:

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Here's the spec of it:

Let me know if interested.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
@NicoMK , nice collection! I don't know if you're interested, but I have a couple of Pro Tour Extreme FTs that I'd love to see go to someone who appreciates them. I have a total of 5 or 6, but have strung a couple & played around w/ strings/tension/balance/etc. But there are a couple just sitting in my basement, in both heavy (325g) and light (295g), and with plastic on the grip & placard in the middle:

Let me know if interested.
Hi @McLovin, thanks! Nice collection too, I can see some serious frames as well! Are the black and white Pacific the same as my Fischer Pro Tours (the grey and red ones on the left of the first picture) ? Looks like it.

I hit with the lighter version of the Pro Extreme when it came out, a nice stick, very soft on the arm. The heavy version must hit even nicer, at least to my taste. I've tried a few times to play with different frames, more modern, lighter, stiffer, different brands or anything… but I always end-up coming back to the Pro Classic. And even worse, my favorite are the purple ones from 1995. So solid at impact, they're real beasts! They used to know how to make "player frames" back in the days.

I'm pretty certain that you will find on the FS board nice and wise people willing to buy your Pro Extreme but anyway, thank you very much for your offer!
 
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