The Wawrinka and Hewitt

[Deleted member 748597]

Wawrinka

3 Slams

Hewitt

2 Slams
2 YECs
2 YE #1
80 weeks at #1

Stan's extra Slam is not enough because Hewitt is way ahead in the YEC count and the #1 stats. Therefore, Wawrinka cannot be greater than Hewitt.

Nadal's situation is kind of similar. But unlike the heavily declined Wawrinka, Nadal can still do something about it.

 

[RS]

Wawrinka

3 Slams

Hewitt

2 Slams
2 YECs
2 YE #1
80 weeks at #1

Stan's extra Slam is not enough because Hewitt is way ahead in the YEC count and the #1 stats. Therefore, Wawrinka cannot be greater than Hewitt.

Nadal's situation is kind of similar. But unlike the heavily declined Wawrinka, Nadal can still do something about it.

Higher level debate?

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Wawrinka has 3 strong slams defeating ATGs. Hewitt has 1.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Wawrinka has 3 strong slams defeating ATGs. Hewitt has 1.

/Thread bestie

 

[RS]

Wawrinka AO 2013 > any Hewitt.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Wawrinka AO 2013 > any Hewitt.

I do think that Wawrinka peaked higher than Hewitt.

 

[RS]

I do think that Wawrinka peaked higher than Hewitt.

Do you think Hewitt peaked higher at Wim and USO?

 

[cortado]

Wawrinka has the more aesthetically pleasing game so he wins in my eyes.

 

[Hitman]

Wawrinka has 3 strong slams defeating ATGs. Hewitt has 1.

@TimHenmanATG time for you to step in...

 

[Kralingen]

Agreed, degree of difficulty needs to be taken into account.

Wawrinka

-2014 AO: d. Djokovic, Nadal
-2015 FO: d. Djokovic
-2016 USO: d. Djokovic

Hewitt

-2001 USO: d. Roddick, Sampras
-2002 Wimbledon: d. Henman, Nalbandian

After looking at this it’s clear that Stan’s wins were far less impressive than Hewitt’s. Beating Tiger Tim at Wimby > Djokovic at the AO.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nadal's situation with who?

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Wawrinka

3 Slams

Hewitt

2 Slams
2 YECs
2 YE #1
80 weeks at #1

Stan's extra Slam is not enough because Hewitt is way ahead in the YEC count and the #1 stats. Therefore, Wawrinka cannot be greater than Hewitt.

Nadal's situation is kind of similar. But unlike the heavily declined Wawrinka, Nadal can still do something about it.

Bud

 

[NatF]

Agreed, degree of difficulty needs to be taken into account.

Wawrinka

-2014 AO: d. Djokovic, Nadal
-2015 FO: d. Djokovic
-2016 USO: d. Djokovic

Hewitt

-2001 USO: d. Roddick, Sampras
-2002 Wimbledon: d. Henman, Nalbandian

After looking at this it’s clear that Stan’s wins were far less impressive than Hewitt’s. Beating Tiger Tim at Wimby > Djokovic at the AO.

Hewitt double breadsticked the BOAT PETE.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Do you think Hewitt peaked higher at Wim and USO?

The clickbait master at it again

 

[killerboss]

Nadal's situation isn't really similar (with Djokovic being the Hewitt I presume?) This type of generic consistency is gonna mean less to someone with 20 slams. All Nadal is going to care about is the big moments now and peaking at the right time to strengthen his GOAT credentials.

As for Wawrinka vs Hewitt - yeah it's a close one. If the argument for Hewitt is that dudes acheivements is more impressive out of slams then a good start would actually be to have impressive achievements outside slams lmao. Which he doesn't really have. 2 m1000s, 2 year end championships... It's ok I guess.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Agreed, degree of difficulty needs to be taken into account.

Wawrinka

-2014 AO: d. Djokovic, Nadal
-2015 FO: d. Djokovic
-2016 USO: d. Djokovic

Hewitt

-2001 USO: d. Roddick, Sampras
-2002 Wimbledon: d. Henman, Nalbandian

After looking at this it’s clear that Stan’s wins were far less impressive than Hewitt’s. Beating Tiger Tim at Wimby > Djokovic at the AO.

Yeah clear to me Wawrinka has the more epic wins and higher level. Never really brought it outside slams except for 1 master and Davis cup though.

 

[yokied]

And yet, only one of these guys actually did a convincing job retiring the previous generation, something none of the big 3 ever did.

All these insecure Djokodal fangirls trying to tear down Fed from every conceivable angle are just pathetic.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

/Thread bestie

You had any epic meals lately bud?

 

[The Blond Blur]

Meh the comparison between Nadavic and Hewrinka really doesn’t work. Outside of 1-2 great performances at the schlems per year for about a 4 year stretch the Stanimal is really lacking. The fact that he only has 1 MS1000 despite how high he peaked is baffling.

RAFA on the other hand has basically checked off every box a player can win.

 

[Kralingen]

And yet, only one of these guys actually did a convincing job retiring the previous generation, something none of the big 3 ever did.

All these insecure Djokodal fangirls trying to tear down Fed from every conceivable angle are just pathetic.

Tbf: if Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer were playing a wildly different style of tennis (s&v) and unprepared for facing baseliners built to beat S&V then they may have ended up like Pete did. the other thing is their relative athleticism is better than even a 31-yr-old Sampras, he lost a lot of the explosiveness that made his game so dominant.

I don't know a ton about 2001, but I do know that Hewitt's game was predicated on taking down S&V and (I believe, not certain of this) using newer racket tech to Sampras'. Thus bringing down the old gen was a different proposition to what it is today, when no such stylistic or technological differences exist. Obviously young Hewitt and Safin > any of these NextGens, but it was also a transition period in more ways than simply player-wise. Transitions were coming in the form of poly strings, differing court surfaces, style changes, all of these things which really are not present today.

 

[NatF]

Tbf: if Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer were playing a wildly different style of tennis (s&v) and unprepared for facing baseliners built to beat S&V then they may have ended up like Pete did. the other thing is their relative athleticism is better than even a 31-yr-old Sampras, he lost a lot of the explosiveness that made his game so dominant.

I don't know a ton about 2001, but I do know that Hewitt's game was predicated on taking down S&V and (I believe, not certain of this) using newer racket tech to Sampras'. Thus bringing down the old gen was quite a different proposition to what it is today, when no such stylistic or technological differences exist.

Hewitt didn't switch to poly until 2004 he also dominated the best baseliners of his era too.

 

[Kralingen]

Hewitt didn't switch to poly until 2004 he also dominated the best baseliners of his era too.

wow I actually thought he was one of the first. That makes his early career all the more impressive tbh

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Murray > Wawarinka = Hewitt > Roddick

 

[NAS]

Murray > Wawarinka = Hewitt > Roddick

No Hewitt > Stan, even if I overlook 2 year end no. 1 or 80 weeks no. 1 , 2 yec and 2 masters are better than 1 slam( around 5 prestigious queen title when big players used to play)

 

[NatF]

wow I actually thought he was one of the first. That makes his early career all the more impressive tbh

Yeah few players had Hewitt's consistency and precision off the ground pre-poly.

 

[Aabye5]

And yet, only one of these guys actually did a convincing job retiring the previous generation, something none of the big 3 ever did.

All these insecure Djokodal fangirls trying to tear down Fed from every conceivable angle are just pathetic.

Nadal beat Roger on his home court. Something Roger never did.

 

[Red Rick]

Wawrinka AO 2013 > any Hewitt.

I do like that losing to Djokovic >> massacring Sampras and his entire family tree in a Slam final

 

[Aabye5]

Hewitt didn't switch to poly until 2004 he also dominated the best baseliners of his era too.

Although they did turn the tables. Roddick and Safin were able to even out the head to head, and Roger obliterated it. Hewitt peaked early, than got overtaken by injuries and stronger players.

 

[ND-13]

Wawrinka can only peak against Djokovic.

What a weird comparison and insult to Hewitt.

And i like Stan for his style, Way better than the ugly ducklings like Medvedev and Zverev.,

 

[Aabye5]

Beating Tiger Tim at Wimby > Djokovic at the AO.

@Kralingen - Wtf? This was meant in jest, I presume.

 

[ForehandCross]

I like both of these guys, but people are putting down hewitt here a lot. He basically forced a generation of SnV to retire. Agassi admitted it, Sampras said it.

Hewitt was taking down Sampras or giving him hell on every court even on grass. That's the previous GOAT.

 

[NatF]

Although they did turn the tables. Roddick and Safin were able to even out the head to head, and Roger obliterated it. Hewitt peaked early, than got overtaken by injuries and stronger players.

Pre-injuries Hewitt had a pretty dominant record over Roddick. He traded wins with Safin, though Safin did win their biggest match. Without injuries he probably remains top five for a few more years at least.

 

[Aabye5]

Pre-injuriea Hewitt had a pretty dominant record over Roddick. He traded wins with Safin, though Safin win their biggest match. Without injuries he probably remains top five for a few more years at least.

I agree. Although, I also think that Safin had his fair of injuries, and I think he also stays in the top 10 without them.

 

[Kralingen]

@Kralingen - Wtf? This was meant in jest, I presume.

I was joking (sort of) - but moreso making the point that judging players solely by who they defeated can be reductive: i.e. I think ‘01 Hewitt > ‘16 Wawrinka at the USO despite Wawrinka taking down Djokovic.

 

[NatF]

I agree. Although, I also think that Safin had his fair of injuries, and I think he also stays in the top 10 without them.

Both Safin and Hewitt were done after 2005. Safin blew out his knee in the clay season iirc. Fed's generation was decimated by injuries.

 

[mike danny]

Hewitt didn't switch to poly until 2004 he also dominated the best baseliners of his era too.

So was Hewitt a poly user in 2004 already?

 

[Aabye5]

Both Safin and Hewitt were done after 2005. Safin blew out his knee in the clay season iirc. Fed's generation was decimated by injuries.

Yep, and Ferrero had the chicken pox. Tommy Haas I feel was a walking band-aid. Nalbandian...eh. Only Roddick, who wasn't the strongest of that group, stuck around.

 

[mike danny]

Nadal beat Roger on his home court. Something Roger never did.

So? Novak beat Rafa on his own court, something Rafa hasn't done.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Wawrinka

3 Slams

Hewitt

2 Slams
2 YECs
2 YE #1
80 weeks at #1

Stan's extra Slam is not enough because Hewitt is way ahead in the YEC count and the #1 stats. Therefore, Wawrinka cannot be greater than Hewitt.

Nadal's situation is kind of similar. But unlike the heavily declined Wawrinka, Nadal can still do something about it.

How is Nadal's situation similar? Is it vs Djokovic and Federer?

 

[NatF]

Yep, and Ferrero had the chicken pox. Tommy Haas I feel was a walking band-aid. Nalbandian...eh. Only Roddick, who wasn't the strongest of that group, stuck around.

Roddick had a brain injury and fired Gilbert.

Also Blake broke his neck...

 

[Mustard]

Wawrinka has 3 strong slams defeating ATGs. Hewitt has 1.

Wawrinka was not as consistent though, compared to Hewitt's best years.

 

[NatF]

So was Hewitt a poly user in 2004 already?

Part way through 2004 I think. I wonder if it hindered him a bit at first tbh.

 

[Aabye5]

So? Novak beat Rafa on his own court, something Rafa hasn't done.

True. But anyone comparing Hewitt to Rafa or Nole is a bit...deluded.

 

[Aabye5]

Roddick had a brain injury and fired Gilbert.

Also Blake broke his neck...

Lol, on Roddick.

I sometimes wonder if Blake didn't come back stronger.

 

[NatF]

Lol, on Roddick.

I sometimes wonder if Blake didn't come back stronger.

Certainly he had his best years after. Hard to know if it would have come sooner etc...though. Don't think he was ever going to be consistent.

 

[RS]

I do like that losing to Djokovic >> massacring Sampras and his entire family tree in a Slam final

I can't work out if this has a agenda behind it or not

 

[NatF]

I can't work out if this has a agenda behind it or not

Rick dislikes Wawrinka and Sampras lol.

 

[RS]

Rick dislikes Wawrinka and Sampras lol.

Does he?

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Bud

 

[Red Rick]

Hewitt didn't switch to poly until 2004 he also dominated the best baseliners of his era too.

One look at Hewitts forehand should tell you he wasn't one of the earliest poly users lol.