Thiem would have slaughtered Rafa

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
Nadal and Djokovic will both have more chances to win slams after this. Other players are getting better but they still the benchmark.

Agreed but not much longer.....Nole can hang around longer but Rafa is on his last legs......Time is ticking.....Time will catch Nole at some stage too and that can’t be far off looking at his birth certificate:)
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is 33. Look how Nadal has put weight on since Uso last year and is noticeably slower. Same will happen to Djokovic.
Thiem was cooked after USO. I said he would be. But he is the best player now ability wise. Mark my words. He will win AO FO and USO next year.
Djokovic is legit unbeaten this year
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is 33. Look how Nadal has put weight on since Uso last year and is noticeably slower. Same will happen to Djokovic.
Thiem was cooked after USO. I said he would be. But he is the best player now ability wise. Mark my words. He will win AO FO and USO next year.
There is no way Gioco will put on weight. Their physique is just different. Nadl is destined to put another 10kg by the time he is 40. Gioco will remain within 5kg of today's weight..
 

daddy

Legend
Sinner was a bigger threat than Khachanov no matter what current rankings say. Sinner is the real deal, will win slams and be a top 5 player at some point. Youngest player since Djokovic in 2006 to reach a slam quarter final. Sinner was a better player than Rafa for a set and a half. That kid is going to be a very big problem for the tour. I like Khachanov and he will be a solid top 20 type player for his career, but he has not got Sinner's talent or potential.

Agree but you can't really tell what's going to happen in the final based on opponents performances. It's a close call at best.
 

daddy

Legend
Conditions were very unfavorable to Nadal. Cold night match, heavier balls, less spin etc.

Considering how bad the conditions were for his game, Rafa did pretty well to get through a big hitting and very dangerous opponent in straight sets.

It's a 19 yr old kid with no experience in latter stages of a slam. Kid yourself not.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Sinner was a bigger threat than Khachanov no matter what current rankings say. Sinner is the real deal, will win slams and be a top 5 player at some point. Youngest player since Djokovic in 2006 to reach a slam quarter final. Sinner was a better player than Rafa for a set and a half. That kid is going to be a very big problem for the tour. I like Khachanov and he will be a solid top 20 type player for his career, but he has not got Sinner's talent or potential.

He's the only right handed player that can go head to head with Rafa on the ad side, and have winning percentages. His backhand is money. He just needs to gain confidence on going DTL once in a while. His FH is perhaps on the biggest on tour when he unleashes it. Needs a bit more weight on him tough. If he continues the progression, he's going to be the new benchmark in a couple of years.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
It's a 19 yr old kid with no experience in latter stages of a slam. Kid yourself not.

Hasn't played like one at RG this year, though. That he couldn't consistently produce his A level against Rafa yesterday is par for the course. Has anyone ever done that in their first match against the king of Clay on his favorite court in the world, his eyes on another trophy?

I was impressed he actually managed to play at that level for so long. Nadal got very lucky in the first, he actually said emphasized that by stating it twice. In the second, he also got lucky in the game he broke Sinner, as Sinner had gotten back to deuce, when Nadal got a super lucky tape bounce that drizzled over to Sinner's side. Sinner had the pressure on that point, it wasn't a good shot from Nadal, and that type of tape bounce almost always ends up on the same side as where it came from. That set got decided on those type of small margins.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Great matches today. Witnessed the legendary Nadal still display that fighting spirit applicable to all walks of life. Thiem and Diego were just heroic and also played in a spirit all children should have on their curriculum. As for Sinner we saw the obvious emergence of the next dominant no.1. Head and shoulders above anyone of his age or the generation of Zverev and Tsitsipas.
If we go hypothetical for a moment. Thiem v Nadal is now one way traffic. Age has caught up with goatdal finally. Thiem FH is much better as his BH. The serve is far better and nowadays so is his ROS. His movement is better and his stamina and his mental strength is almost as good now...
The match between Thiem and Diego gave me the mpression that age has caught up with Thiem already. He had his serve broken four times in the 3-rd set:
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octogon

Hall of Fame
It's a 19 yr old kid with no experience in latter stages of a slam. Kid yourself not.

A 19 year old kid who is the youngest player to reach that stage of a grand slam since Djokovic in 2006. Sinner is obviously a special talent. And he didn't freeze or get hit with nerves by the occasion like a "kid" is supposed to playing Rafa at RG, so his mental strength is as rock solid as his game. Anyone else but Rafa in his path, there is a decent chance Sinner could have made the final.

His age is irrelevant. He's the real deal.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa played like crap which is why it was close in those sets. Khachanov played better yesterday even though Sinner has more talent and potential.
Lol, so you admit it now. But if Djokovic beats Nadal in the final you will say Nadal was at his peak. :rolleyes:
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Djokovic takes great care of his health. He can play well physically until he’s 40. If some young player wants to dethrone him they’ll have to play better not just hope for him to get old
 

daddy

Legend
Hasn't played like one at RG this year, though. That he couldn't consistently produce his A level against Rafa yesterday is par for the course. Has anyone ever done that in their first match against the king of Clay on his favorite court in the world, his eyes on another trophy?

I was impressed he actually managed to play at that level for so long. Nadal got very lucky in the first, he actually said emphasized that by stating it twice. In the second, he also got lucky in the game he broke Sinner, as Sinner had gotten back to deuce, when Nadal got a super lucky tape bounce that drizzled over to Sinner's side. Sinner had the pressure on that point, it wasn't a good shot from Nadal, and that type of tape bounce almost always ends up on the same side as where it came from. That set got decided on those type of small margins.

Basically you replied to my post and then confirmed what I wrote but you just put it differently.

It's a whole different ball game when you're playing a tennis match and when you're playing a tennis match vs Rafa on RG. For that, he does need experience and that was clearly evident. The quality is there, no doubt about that, but when he got into favorable positions with the breaks of Rafa's serve, he was not there mentally to push it and convert by taking home a set or two. That is only due to his lack of experience because I assume he'd whitewashed someone else playing on the same level as Rafa did if only it was a different name on the scoreboard.
 

daddy

Legend
A 19 year old kid who is the youngest player to reach that stage of a grand slam since Djokovic in 2006. Sinner is obviously a special talent. And he didn't freeze or get hit with nerves by the occasion like a "kid" is supposed to playing Rafa at RG, so his mental strength is as rock solid as his game. Anyone else but Rafa in his path, there is a decent chance Sinner could have made the final.

His age is irrelevant. He's the real deal.


No one is denying his talent but he's too inexperienced to be a real threat to Rafa at this moment in time on this court in this tournament. He shown his potential, was able to break the bull, was playing two sets of competitive tennis but you need two more gears and years of experience to convert that and take a set or two, let alone put a W on a score sheet vs Rafa.

Thus I conclude, he IS the real deal but his age IS relevant at this moment and that's what cost him. Proof is in the pudding.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
One thing the big 3 excel at, is pulling a rabbit out of the hat when they need it. And it’s not just the obvious ace-on-bp. Medvedev and Tsitsi can do that. But esp Novak, and Rafa, excel at using specific patterns or tactics on the big points. Novak seems to have developed a tie-break-specific tactic.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Thiem was just 2 points away from a 4 sets win.

In this game, it's winning points in the right moment that counts.

He should have found a way, he was the better player, but couldn't.

He just has not enough security in his game against the top players.
That’s why Thiem only a very good player, not a great one.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
The match between Thiem and Diego gave me the mpression that age has caught up with Thiem already. He had his serve broken four times in the 3-rd set:
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I think the USO had a lot to do with his struggles past two rounds. However seeing him cramp in USO final perhaps bears out your statement
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
2 more years of great level for Nadal.
3 more years of great level for Djokovic.
The end of the Big 3!
:cry:
 
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Razer

Legend
Let's see if Djokovic begins his definitive physical decline this coming season.
:D

The Big Bad Wolf will have a great season again in 2024. ;)

I see 2 Slams for him this year but I don't know for sure if he will end year as 1 or not.
 
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