This is Fed's home turf people.

[fed_the_savior]

I'm surprised at how many think Nadal will just roll over Federer.

Although Federer has claimed Wimbledon as his favorite tournament, as has Nadal, the US Open is to Fed like the French Open is to Rafa.

This is like Federer playing Nadal at the FO, but opposite. IMO Fed has played some of his best tennis here. Last year was a bit of a fluke, as Fed's self doubt finally creeped in, being up two sets and thinking too much.

I'm not saying Nadal can't possibly win, but if he does, it's going to take a monumental effort.

 

[decades]

There is no place like Home

-----JM DelPotro

 

[OTMPut]

There is no place like Home

-----JM DelPotro

Where is this guy? One slam took so much out of him, he can barely walk?

 

[namelessone]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE, nevermind that he is five times champ, look at the stats:

Aces:

Federer:74
Nadal:34
Djoker:18(thank you todd martin)

Time on court:

Federer: 8:52
Nadal: 12:10
Djoker: 12:01


UE/W:

Federer: 133/183 = + 50
Nadal: 116/40 = + 24
Djoker: 160/150 = -10

Now I know Fed fans are cautios of Rafa cause of the matchup but Fed has spent three less hours on court than Rafa,has 40 more aces and has a way better UE/W ratio, and this is in the context of Rafa's draw opening up for him.

 

[Tempestuous]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE, nevermind that he is five times champ, look at the stats:

Aces:

Federer:74
Nadal:34
Djoker:18(thank you todd martin)

Time on court:

Federer: 8:52
Nadal: 12:10
Djoker: 12:01


UE/W:

Federer: 133/183 = + 50
Nadal: 116/40 = + 24
Djoker: 160/150 = -10

Now I know Fed fans are cautios of Rafa cause of the matchup but Fed has spent three less hours on court than Rafa,has 40 more aces and has a way better UE/W ratio, and this is in the context of Rafa's draw opening up for him.

Time on court is meaningless with Nadal's time wasting tactics.

 

[fed_the_savior]

There is no place like Home

-----JM DelPotro

Well Soderling knocked Nadal out too, so it's comparable.

 

[P_Agony]

Time on court is meaningless with Nadal's time wasting tactics.

LOL, what a first post. Getting right into business aren't we?

 

[meg0529]

Time on court is meaningless with Nadal's time wasting tactics.

Awesome one more Rafa hater! Welcome. Unless you are just the reincarnation of someone who was banned.

 

[abraxas21]

Wimby used to be Fed's home turf

 

[meg0529]

I'm surprised at how many think Nadal will just roll over Federer.

Although Federer has claimed Wimbledon as his favorite tournament, as has Nadal, the US Open is to Fed like the French Open is to Rafa.

This is like Federer playing Nadal at the FO, but opposite. IMO Fed has played some of his best tennis here. Last year was a bit of a fluke, as Fed's self doubt finally creeped in, being up two sets and thinking too much.

I'm not saying Nadal can't possibly win, but if he does, it's going to take a monumental effort.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[abraxas21]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE

not according to betting sites who actually worked on their odds having money on the line.

most of what you hear in forums like this one are predictions based on fanboyism, trollism or pathetic attempts to jinx.

 

[abraxas21]

Awesome one more Rafa hater! Welcome. Unless you are just the reincarnation of someone who was banned.

Regardless of who he is, he made a pretty fair point.

Nadal has played a total of 955 points so far in the USO. If we extend the stats of the other thread to the whole 5 matches Nadal has played thus far, we would conclude that Nadal takes 9 seconds more than the allowed time (20 sec).
Thus Nadal has time-wasted 9*955=8595 secs, which equal to 2 hours and 23 minutes of illegal time-wasting so far in the USO

If we compare the 29 sec. on average that Nadal takes to serve to the 17 seconds of Federer the difference is obviously even larger.
In comparison to Federer, Nadal has taken 12*955=11460 seconds more, which equal to 3 hours and 11 minutes!.

Thus the time Federer has spent on court (8:52 thus far) is actually more than the time Nadal has spent on court (12:10 thus far) once we take out all the time Nadal has wasted between serves when compared to Federer.

 

[aceX]

There is no place like Home

-----JM DelPotro

+1... awaiting the Return of the King

 

[Bartelby]

Although you can argue that nadal gets some advantage from this practice, it is the spectators who really suffer.

Nadal is a neurotic, which is fine, but he's costing people three extra hours of their life.

Regardless of who he is, he made a pretty fair point.

Nadal has played a total of 955 points so far in the USO. If we extend the stats of the other thread to the whole 5 matches Nadal has played thus far, we would conclude that Nadal takes 9 seconds more than the allowed time (20 sec).
Thus Nadal has time-wasted 9*955=8595 secs, which equal to 2 hours and 23 minutes of illegal time-wasting so far in the USO

If we compare the 29 sec. on average that Nadal takes to serve to the 17 seconds of Federer the difference is obviously even larger.
In comparison to Federer, Nadal has taken 12*955=11460 seconds more, which equal to 3 hours and 11 minutes!.

Thus the time Federer has spent on court (8:52 thus far) is actually more than the time Nadal has spent on court (12:10 thus far) once we take out all the time Nadal has wasted between serves when compared to Federer.

 

[forzamilan90]

come sunday, federer will show the world that he is not past it, and win number 17 on his home turf, home crowd, while beating his main home boy and rival nadal

 

[Bartelby]

This is it, there's no home turf.

if Federer wins he can hold back the tide for a year or two. If he loses, then the decline will be rapid.

This is provided it's a Federer-Nadal final.

 

[aceX]

Yeah, watching tennis... time between points but not enough to do anything

 

[Rhino]

Now I know Fed fans are cautios of Rafa cause of the matchup but Fed has spent three less hours on court than Rafa.

I'm not sure that 'time on court' is particularly pertinent here because Rafa spends a lot of his time messing around and taking things slow, whereas Fed tends to just get on with it. Rafa's matches are always long, but he's not exerting more energy.

What could be more relevant though is if Nadal steamrolls over Mikhail Youzhny and then Fed, who's match is 2nd, takes 5 long sets to put away the Djoker.
I'd hate to see Fed go into the final tired.

 

[tacou]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE, nevermind that he is five times champ, look at the stats:

Aces:

Federer:74
Nadal:34
Djoker:18(thank you todd martin)

Time on court:

Federer: 8:52
Nadal: 12:10
Djoker: 12:01


UE/W:

Federer: 133/183 = + 50
Nadal: 116/40 = + 24
Djoker: 160/150 = -10

Now I know Fed fans are cautios of Rafa cause of the matchup but Fed has spent three less hours on court than Rafa,has 40 more aces and has a way better UE/W ratio, and this is in the context of Rafa's draw opening up for him.

rafa must have more than 40 winners in 5 matches...

 

[abraxas21]

Nadal has 140 winners thus far in the USO.

 

[meg0529]

Regardless of who he is, he made a pretty fair point.

Nadal has played a total of 955 points so far in the USO. If we extend the stats of the other thread to the whole 5 matches Nadal has played thus far, we would conclude that Nadal takes 9 seconds more than the allowed time (20 sec).
Thus Nadal has time-wasted 9*955=8595 secs, which equal to 2 hours and 23 minutes of illegal time-wasting so far in the USO

If we compare the 29 sec. on average that Nadal takes to serve to the 17 seconds of Federer the difference is obviously even larger.
In comparison to Federer, Nadal has taken 12*955=11460 seconds more, which equal to 3 hours and 11 minutes!.

Thus the time Federer has spent on court (8:52 thus far) is actually more than the time Nadal has spent on court (12:10 thus far) once we take out all the time Nadal has wasted between serves when compared to Federer.

lol, dun really know what more is left to say regarding this. If players are bothered, they should complain. Really that simple. As for the spectator, if I'm paying good money to go watch rafa, might as well get a longer match =D

 

[ACE of Hearts]

I dont know about that.I am a Fed fan and it worries me if we get a Nadal vs Fed final and Roger loses.It would be a big blow for him i feel.He needs to step it up when he faces Nadal.Seems like he gets tight most of the time.

 

[meg0529]

Nadal has 140 winners thus far in the USO.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=347818

 

[BigForehand]

Wimby used to be Fed's home turf

before it turned into a dirt court

 

[decades]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE, nevermind that he is five times champ, look at the stats:

Aces:

Federer:74
Nadal:34
Djoker:18(thank you todd martin)

Time on court:

Federer: 8:52
Nadal: 12:10
Djoker: 12:01


UE/W:

Federer: 133/183 = + 50
Nadal: 116/40 = + 24
Djoker: 160/150 = -10

Now I know Fed fans are cautios of Rafa cause of the matchup but Fed has spent three less hours on court than Rafa,has 40 more aces and has a way better UE/W ratio, and this is in the context of Rafa's draw opening up for him.

unfortunately for you statisticians don't win grand slams. tennis players do. mano y mano. we shall see won't we?

 

[TheTruth]

not according to betting sites who actually worked on their odds having money on the line.

most of what you hear in forums like this one are predictions based on fanboyism, trollism or pathetic attempts to jinx.

I personally don't care who they call the favorite, because it's just a title and has no bearing on the final participants, or the winner who hoists the trophy.

But betting sites do and I think they have more at risk then posters with itchy fingers.

You got that right!

 

[TheTruth]

Although you can argue that nadal gets some advantage from this practice, it is the spectators who really suffer.

Nadal is a neurotic, which is fine, but he's costing people three extra hours of their life.

Only if they choose to watch him. He ain't exactly searching for fans. He looks to have plenty, even with all his "rituals" he still gets treated like a rock star!

 

[edmondsm]

If you don't think Nadal is the favorite to win the USO then you just haven't been watching the tournament, or tennis in general. Nadal is playing as good as I've ever seen right now, and let's not forget that he owns Federer. You will see a preview of it tomorrow. Nadal is going to slice that serve at Youhzny's bh in the ad court all freaking match. I bet Youhzny will be like 0/14 on break points or something ridiculous like that.

He'll do the same to Rog on Sunday if they end up meeting. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[TheTruth]

lol, dun really know what more is left to say regarding this. If players are bothered, they should complain. Really that simple. As for the spectator, if I'm paying good money to go watch rafa, might as well get a longer match =D

I enjoy every minute he's on court. The "time wasting" doesn't bother me one bit.

Even Maria's rituals don't bother me. It's all about the tennis they put on display.

What I don't like is when it's too quick. Clijsters, Capriati, and Jankovic are tops at this. It's one thing when they win, but when they're losing it seems like a silly practice to me.

 

[edmondsm]

Fed is HEAVY FAVOURITE, nevermind that he is five times champ, look at the stats:

Aces:

Federer:74
Nadal:34
Djoker:18(thank you todd martin)

Aces couldn't be less relevant. Nadal didn't get his serve broken until the semis. That's what counts.

 

[edmondsm]

I enjoy every minute he's on court. The "time wasting" doesn't bother me one bit.

Even Maria's rituals don't bother me. It's all about the tennis they put on display.

What I don't like is when it's too quick. Clijsters, Capriati, and Jankovic are tops at this. It's one thing when they win, but when they're losing it seems like a silly practice to me.

That seems very hypocritical. When a player's routine is slow and they are losing, that's ok. But when their routine is quick and they are losing, it's annoying.

Watching Sharapova take 30-40 seconds between all of her double faults. Now that is unappealing.

 

[TheTruth]

That seems very hypocritical. When a player's routine is slow and they are losing, that's ok. But when their routine is quick and they are losing, it's annoying.

Watching Sharapova take 30-40 seconds between all of her double faults. Now that is unappealing.

No, I don't dissect people's rituals. Everyone is unique and I respect that. If everyone acted the same way and did the same things, that would be boring.

And, although I'm not a fan of Sharapova's, there is a grudging respect for her competitiveness, so if going to face the wall is going to make a warrior step up to the line, I'm all for it.

But, when you're losing and you're going at warp speed that just seems stupid to me. All the time in life, we have to slow down and relax, that's my personality so it follows that those trivialities don't bother me.

It's not about winning or losing, regardless of your rituals you're not going to win them all, it's about respecting the differences in people, and I'm very good at that.

 

[edmondsm]

No, I don't dissect people's rituals. Everyone is unique and I respect that. If everyone acted the same way and did the same things, that would be boring.

And, although I'm not a fan of Sharapova's, there is a grudging respect for her competitiveness, so if going to face the wall is going to make a warrior step up to the line, I'm all for it.

But, when you're losing and you're going at warp speed that just seems stupid to me. All the time in life, we have to slow down and relax, that's my personality so it follows that those trivialities don't bother me.

It's not about winning or losing, regardless of your rituals you're not going to win them all, it's about respecting the differences in people, and I'm very good at that.

No you're not. Because you can't seem to understand that some players might be trying to get back into rhythm by playing quickly. These players are different then the ones that take tons of time. They don't feel comfortable slowing things down when their game has dropped. You don't respect people's rituals because you yourself said you don't like it when players are losing and they play quickly. There are fundamental flaws in your logic.

You sure are humble though :-?

 

[abmk]

No you're not. Because you can't seem to understand that some players might be trying to get back into rhythm by playing quickly. These players are different then the ones that take tons of time. They don't feel comfortable slowing things down when their game has dropped. You don't respect people's rituals because you yourself said you don't like it when players are losing and they play quickly. There are fundamental flaws in your logic.

You sure are humble though :-?

She is hypocrisy personified !

 

[edmondsm]

She is hypocrisy personified !

You're preachin to the choir.

 

[ChuDat]

Its too bad neither will make the final. Youzhny will take home the title for Mother Russia after beating the unsuperb-serb in straights

 

[TheTruth]

No you're not. Because you can't seem to understand that some players might be trying to get back into rhythm by playing quickly. These players are different then the ones that take tons of time. They don't feel comfortable slowing things down when their game has dropped. You don't respect people's rituals because you yourself said you don't like it when players are losing and they play quickly. There are fundamental flaws in your logic.

You sure are humble though :-?

That's your opinion to which you're entitled. However, you can't give me your opinion in an effort to determine what mine is. The biggest flaw in your logic is trying to determine what and how I believe. You don't know me, so I think your logic is nonexistent.

The bolded parts are your opinion. That has nothing to do with me. I think it's silly to keep spinning out of control when you're losing. That's one thing I agree with Johnny Mac about. At any rate you won't find me dogging players out about their rituals. You won't see me calling people cheaters, idiots, or any such thing. Nor will you see me trying to confront other posters based on their thought processes and opinions, to me that means respect. I guess you see it differenlty.

But, I respect that.

And speaking of humility, you could use a dose of it yourself.

 

[TheTruth]

You're preachin to the choir.

Aw c'mon now, edmondsm, you've always had something negative to say to me.

It doesn't matter though, because I'm not a group mentality person. There isn't a person you roll with that I think highly of, so carry on.

 

[lonux]

I love the comments of TheTruth and meg. So you are denying Nadal's time-wasting is annoying?

 

[miyagi]

If they even do meet in the final first of all that will be an achievement in itself.

I can't call who should or would win, it could be really close you know Nadal will give his left arm to win and Federer well he's just Federer he hardly ever seems to lose.

I CANNOT wait to see the semi's today hopefully they both make it!

 

[TheTruth]

No you're not. Because you can't seem to understand that some players might be trying to get back into rhythm by playing quickly. These players are different then the ones that take tons of time. They don't feel comfortable slowing things down when their game has dropped. You don't respect people's rituals because you yourself said you don't like it when players are losing and they play quickly. There are fundamental flaws in your logic.

You sure are humble though :-?

10-30-2009, 11:24 AM #154

Not as humble as you, because if I had your posting history I wouldn't be saying anything to anyone.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Here you are trying to tell me how hypocritical I am and trying to read my mind, and I find this little gem of yours. So many hate filled Nadal posts in your posting history too, and you think I'm hypocritical?

You can change a few words like Nadal fan to whoever you're a fan of and then change athletes into other posters, then you'll understand who the real hypocrite is.

Wow, another Nadal fan that can see into the brains of athletes.

edmondsm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureshs

Wow, another Nadal fan that can see into the brains of athletes. I am amazed that you guys have this ability. Is that how you could tell Nadal was going to win the 2009 USO.....

Quote:
I do know that ignorant judgmental people are often the product of a poor upbringing.

 

[TheTruth]

I love the comments of TheTruth and meg. So you are denying Nadal's time-wasting is annoying?

Thank you. So do a lot of people and it fairly kills them.

 

[abmk]

You're preachin to the choir.

oh ok, I'll stop then

 

[nadal_slam_king]

I'm surprised at how many think Nadal will just roll over Federer.

Although Federer has claimed Wimbledon as his favorite tournament, as has Nadal, the US Open is to Fed like the French Open is to Rafa.

This is like Federer playing Nadal at the FO, but opposite. IMO Fed has played some of his best tennis here. Last year was a bit of a fluke, as Fed's self doubt finally creeped in, being up two sets and thinking too much.

I'm not saying Nadal can't possibly win, but if he does, it's going to take a monumental effort.

This is exactly why Federer will lose amid a plethora of unforced errors. He puts too much pressure on himself, he cracks when someone starts out-playing him. Hence the very lopsided 5th sets in the losses to Del Potro and Nadal.

 

[Six.One.Tour.90FAN]

Regardless of who he is, he made a pretty fair point.

Nadal has played a total of 955 points so far in the USO. If we extend the stats of the other thread to the whole 5 matches Nadal has played thus far, we would conclude that Nadal takes 9 seconds more than the allowed time (20 sec).
Thus Nadal has time-wasted 9*955=8595 secs, which equal to 2 hours and 23 minutes of illegal time-wasting so far in the USO

If we compare the 29 sec. on average that Nadal takes to serve to the 17 seconds of Federer the difference is obviously even larger.
In comparison to Federer, Nadal has taken 12*955=11460 seconds more, which equal to 3 hours and 11 minutes!.

Thus the time Federer has spent on court (8:52 thus far) is actually more than the time Nadal has spent on court (12:10 thus far) once we take out all the time Nadal has wasted between serves when compared to Federer.

best post ever

90

 

[edmondsm]

That's your opinion to which you're entitled. However, you can't give me your opinion in an effort to determine what mine is. The biggest flaw in your logic is trying to determine what and how I believe. You don't know me, so I think your logic is nonexistent.

Um, yes I did state an opinion. I never denied that. You are the one who is claiming to be objective and respectful of all players' habits, and then in the same breath saying you "think it's silly to keep spinning out of control when you're losing."

The bolded parts are your opinion. That has nothing to do with me. I think it's silly to keep spinning out of control when you're losing. That's one thing I agree with Johnny Mac about. At any rate you won't find me dogging players out about their rituals.

There it is. You don't dog players about their rituals, yet you obviously take issue with the way "fast" players go about their job. I think you know how backwards you are being, and that is sort of comforting. I'm glad you and Johnny Mac agree. You probably fancy yourself a real tennis guru.

You won't see me calling people cheaters, idiots, or any such thing. Nor will you see me trying to confront other posters based on their thought processes and opinions, to me that means respect. I guess you see it differenlty.

But, I respect that.

Classic passive aggressive garbage. Oh yes, you won't call me an idiot or insult me directly, you will just imply that I have no respect for the opinions of others. It would be mean if it wasn't so pathetically transparent.

And speaking of humility, you could use a dose of it yourself

I'm not the one patting myself on the back every other post for having "respect". Complimenting yourself is the definition of arrogance.

 

[abraxas21]

Nadal the hardcourt king?

I was impressed by his performance in the final. The guy always seems to play at his best in finals.

 

[edmondsm]

10-30-2009, 11:24 AM #154

Not as humble as you, because if I had your posting history I wouldn't be saying anything to anyone.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Here you are trying to tell me how hypocritical I am and trying to read my mind, and I find this little gem of yours. So many hate filled Nadal posts in your posting history too, and you think I'm hypocritical?

You can change a few words like Nadal fan to whoever you're a fan of and then change athletes into other posters, then you'll understand who the real hypocrite is.

Wow, another Nadal fan that can see into the brains of athletes.

edmondsm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureshs

Wow, another Nadal fan that can see into the brains of athletes. I am amazed that you guys have this ability. Is that how you could tell Nadal was going to win the 2009 USO.....

Quote:
I do know that ignorant judgmental people are often the product of a poor upbringing.

I'm sorry ma'am you're going to have to explain this horribly confusing post. I can see that you have, in a very creepy fashion, gone through my posting history to cherry pick some quote by me that you think fits your argument. You are very very troubled. Good luck with attempting to blend in.

 

[veroniquem]

come sunday, federer will show the world that he is not past it, and win number 17 on his home turf, home crowd, while beating his main home boy and rival nadal

I hope you don't make predictions for a living

 

[veroniquem]

Nadal the hardcourt king?

I was impressed by his performance in the final. The guy always seems to play at his best in finals.

I'm impressed by the fact the only other player who reached the final in straights and lost only 1 set in the final at USO is Ivan Lendl in 1987 and Lendl was VERY dominant at USO between 85 and 87.
It's kind of strange but no one has ever won USO in straights (on hard court).
It's also strange both Sampras and Fed have always lost at least 2 sets on their way to the title.
By comparison, Nadal won RG in straight sets twice.
I agree Nadal is top notch in slam finals: 9 won out of 11 played, that's a really great stat.