Tursonov badmouths Rafa in Rotterdam!

[vive le beau jeu !]

Video:

http://tennis.si.com/2014/02/12/dmitry-tursunov-rafael-nadal-time-violation-video/

tursunov should have got a bonus point for that !
reminds me of his blog some years ago...

 

[newpball]

I am afraid I am the only one but on important points having the players take some extra time adds to the drama.

 

[Gonzalito17]

This guy speaks his mind. I like him.

In Facing Federer book, didn't he say Fed won a lot of matches because of how the media overhyped him like a god and how his opponents would play below their normal level?
He said Rafa was different because he could play his game without caring about what the media says about Roger F.
He also praised Nadal's work ethic saying he couldn't be like Rafa. He said you see Rafa win the FO today and tomorrow he's at Queen's practising for 3 hours.

Yes Tursunov did imply that Federer's mystique and aura helped him win a LOT of matches. He also joked that Federer's image is almost too perfect, that he smells like vanilla and doesn't need to shower after matches lol Tursunov is definitely a hoot, wish he would show his character and intelligence on court more instead of just in interviews

 

[TheTruth]

Without the clock, umpires could pick on players if they want to because only they know when the time is up. Players cannot be expected to guess how much time they take. There is also inconsistency in how it is enforced. Some umpires give a quiet nudge to a player who is exceeding the time limit before giving them a warning, others don't.

I agree. The way the "rule" is administered makes no sense at all.

It would be so simple to get a clock. I can't believe people don't get why they don't.

Mind-boggling.

 

[Crisstti]

So, Cedirc Mourier and Tursunov are having a frank exchange of views during the sit down, with the Russian not at all happy about being told to hurry things along - especially as he feels some players get special treatment:

Quote "Rafa picks his @ss for 30 seconds and you guys say nothing" unquote.

"Say nothing"???, how come he's the one with most time warnings then?.

 

[TheTruth]

and who the hell is tursonov exactly. he will be forgotten forever exactly 3 seconds after he exits the sport.

nadal brings home the bacon. the world comes to watch him play.

the guy is a genius at winning matches. and all geniuses have their certain eccentric traits.

I think also that rafa takes too long but he does that to calm himself down. I think it upsets his rhythm but what the hell can we do.

it is what it is. rather than crying about it day and night I think I would just embrace the sport and enjoy it.

these guys are not here for long. soon we will be stuck with inconsistent players who are not really all that good in the long run scheme of things.


there is nobody behind andy, nadal, roger, and nole who can compare with these 4.

either embrace them or go take up bass fishing tournaments.

Spot on.

I don't understand people who try to knock others down all the time.

It's so negative.

 

[Omega_7000]

"Say nothing"???, how come he's the one with most time warnings then?.

Because he is the biggest abuser of the rule? :?

Oh and btw he should've had way more time violations than he has received in his career so far...One would say he's lucky to not have 5 times as many time violations.

 

[Crisstti]

so your opinion is more important than the rules of the game?..what can i say.

Lol, you don't care about the "rules of the game", you just want to give Fed any edge, on a technicality or anything.

 

[Crisstti]

Because he is the biggest abuser of the rule? :?

Oh and btw he should've had way more time violations than he has received in his career so far...One would say he's lucky to not have 5 times as many time violations.

He isn't.

And it's irrelevant anyway to the point I was making, which is that to say umps "say nothing" to him is just absurd.

 

[TheTruth]

As far as enforcement goes as long as you are over the limit you should be penalized. 21.5 is as bad as 26 seconds.

The clock on court is the answer. Delpo takes forever between points, but no one is targeting him because he is not Rafael Nadal.

Crystal clear.

 

[The-Champ]

I remember when Tursunov was playing Rafa and he was getting his *** kicked. The crowd was biasedly cheering for Nadal and Tursunov yelled at them: "yeah, like he really needs that" LOL.

 

[TheTruth]

Tursonov is kind of funny.

I don't think his statement is badmouthing Rafa, though.

He was simply stating his opinion.

The only thing is there are probably many more people who also go a second or more over the limit.

They had a shot clock at one time, but what it illuminated was how many people actually did go over limit. They abolished it immediately and opted instead to allow the "seed" to sprout and grow wings.

 

[storypeddler]

Nadal's been the biggest offender though. He probably thinks it's a unfair law and doesn't really care much about it.

I do think he needs to be quicker between points. However, I also feel that 20 seconds is too less in grand slams. 25 seconds would be better.
Even Federer, one of the fastest guys between points on tour, was clocked over 21 seconds on average between points in their SF clash.

I am an unapologetic Nadal fan, and consider him GOAT-in-waiting. But I would absolutely expect the officials to enforce ALL the rules equally with ALL the players on the tour.

Having said that, there is some real substance to the argument that it is foolish to for fans to watch two men play a blistering 23 stroke point, back and forth, side to side, running and stretching and swinging out full force, and then when point ends expect them to be starting the next point 20 seconds later. That's ludicrous. Tennis doesn't have time-outs like basketball or football, so the play can be pretty relentless. To expect these guys to play extraordinary, aggressive tennis every point and then rush to the next point just to keep the (sitting) crowd excited is just stupid. The tour needs to recognize that.

 

[Omega_7000]

I am an unapologetic Nadal fan, and consider him GOAT-in-waiting. But I would absolutely expect the officials to enforce ALL the rules equally with ALL the players on the tour.

Having said that, there is some real substance to the argument that it is foolish to for fans to watch two men play a blistering 23 stroke point, back and forth, side to side, running and stretching and swinging out full force, and then when point ends expect them to be starting the next point 20 seconds later. That's ludicrous. Tennis doesn't have time-outs like basketball or football, so the play can be pretty relentless. To expect these guys to play extraordinary, aggressive tennis every point and then rush to the next point just to keep the (sitting) crowd excited is just stupid. The tour needs to recognize that.

Here's a thought ------ Stop playing "23 strokes point, back and forth, side to side, running and stretching and swinging out full force" and go for more winners.

 

[urundai]

I am an unapologetic Nadal fan, and consider him GOAT-in-waiting. But I would absolutely expect the officials to enforce ALL the rules equally with ALL the players on the tour.

Having said that, there is some real substance to the argument that it is foolish to for fans to watch two men play a blistering 23 stroke point, back and forth, side to side, running and stretching and swinging out full force, and then when point ends expect them to be starting the next point 20 seconds later. That's ludicrous. Tennis doesn't have time-outs like basketball or football, so the play can be pretty relentless. To expect these guys to play extraordinary, aggressive tennis every point and then rush to the next point just to keep the (sitting) crowd excited is just stupid. The tour needs to recognize that.

You would have a point only if these violations occur only after long points. and, if all baseline grinders do it. Some like Djokovic have improved a lot in recent years and don't waste that much times between points. When the opponent, who hopefully also participated in this 23 shot rally, is ready in the allotted time limit, is it unfair to expect the other player to be ready as well?

As far as calling everyone foolish and the argument as ludicrous, look at your own examples. In tennis, you do get to sit down between every couple games, which is very much like time out breather in other games. It's not like Basketball players take a timeout after every scoring basket.

 

[Crisstti]

I am an unapologetic Nadal fan, and consider him GOAT-in-waiting. But I would absolutely expect the officials to enforce ALL the rules equally with ALL the players on the tour.

Having said that, there is some real substance to the argument that it is foolish to for fans to watch two men play a blistering 23 stroke point, back and forth, side to side, running and stretching and swinging out full force, and then when point ends expect them to be starting the next point 20 seconds later. That's ludicrous. Tennis doesn't have time-outs like basketball or football, so the play can be pretty relentless. To expect these guys to play extraordinary, aggressive tennis every point and then rush to the next point just to keep the (sitting) crowd excited is just stupid. The tour needs to recognize that.

How is that not the case?.

 

[clayqueen]

I agree. They should penalized Federer to make an example of him that it won't be tolerated whether you take 21 seconds or 30 seconds.


:lol:

seriously, 20 seconds between points is too less. I never bounce the ball and just serve, but I think even I would take longer than 20 seconds on average in a best of 5 match. These guys play some long rallies and you expect them to not take more than 20 seconds between points?? If Nadal feels that it's a unfair rule then he should continue to try to change.

I think the 20 seconds was arrived at by tossing some numbers into the air, picking one and multiplying it by the cat's age. The fact that someone decided on 20 seconds for slams and someone else decided on 25 seconds for all other events just proves that there is no rhyme or reason to it.

 

[clayqueen]

You would have a point only if these violations occur only after long points. and, if all baseline grinders do it. Some like Djokovic have improved a lot in recent years and don't waste that much times between points. When the opponent, who hopefully also participated in this 23 shot rally, is ready in the allotted time limit, is it unfair to expect the other player to be ready as well?

As far as calling everyone foolish and the argument as ludicrous, look at your own examples. In tennis, you do get to sit down between every couple games, which is very much like time out breather in other games. It's not like Basketball players take a timeout after every scoring basket.

To me, it doesn't matter whether the point is long or not. Tennis is an individual sport. They cannot stamp individuality out of it. Some players' routine takes 10 seconds others take longer, so what. I really don't care how many times Djokovic bounces the ball before he serves, that's his service routine and the players know to expect it. They all know Rafa's routine off by heart and can even mimicking him doing it, so why does an extra 10 seconds matter in the grand scheme of things.

Team sport should not be compared to individual sport. Footballers don't have to concentrate and run around non stop for up a 5+ hours, nor do basketball players. Tennis players are physically and mentally engaged for hours and some people want to kill them by not giving them enough room to breathe.


So long as they are not disrupting the game by entertaining the crowd like Laconte use to do, or Nastase trying to get the match stopped because he thought it was raining so he starts playing with an umbrella taken from a spectator, or McEnroe having a 5 minute rant at the umpire, for me it's OK.

The irony is, that the player takes even longer after a warning because he spends another few seconds arguing with the umpire about it before serving.

 

[clayqueen]

All the players should have been consulted before the new enforcement rules came in, not just Federer in a backroom in his capacity as president. It would have made sense if they had done a pilot with a shot clock just to see exactly whether the rule was practical or not. They can't just pluck a number out of the air.

What they didn't realise was that not many players actually keep to the time limit. Who would have thought that Murray would be the first to be awarded a point penalty for time violation? Now we know that players who never seemingly go over the limit are getting warnings, because this is 'Nadal's Law' for the benefit of Federer, so he was the only one whose time keeping was studied closely.

 

[reversef]

All the players should have been consulted before the new enforcement rules came in, not just Federer in a backroom in his capacity as president. It would have made sense if they had done a pilot with a shot clock just to see exactly whether the rule was practical or not. They can't just pluck a number out of the air.

What they didn't realise was that not many players actually keep to the time limit. Who would have thought that Murray would be the first to be awarded a point penalty for time violation? Now we know that players who never seemingly go over the limit are getting warnings, because this is 'Nadal's Law' for the benefit of Federer, so he was the only one whose time keeping was studied closely.

Great post.
BTW, Federer fans always come with that "unfair advantage argument", but the one reason why this rule was invented at first had nothing to do with the players, but with TELEVISION. It's difficult to keep people's attention when there is much time between points.

 

[Magnus]

He isn't.

And it's irrelevant anyway to the point I was making, which is that to say umps "say nothing" to him is just absurd.

Rafita isn't? Then who is? Tell us please.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

The big question is will Tursinov ever win a set v Rafa.

 

[bullfan]

It's interesting that he said it though because the only person to really penalize Rafa to any great extent was Asderaki. The rest of them do seem a bit scared of really taking away from anything at crucial times in a match. Key words of course being crucial times.

Rafa lost a point during SF with Novak for slow play.

 

[Sentinel]

The big question is will Tursinov ever win a set v Rafa.

That qualifies him to beat Rafa should they meet in a slam final !


Tursonov would feel very at home in this forum.

 

[FreeBird]

It's interesting that he said it though because the only person to really penalize Rafa to any great extent was Asderaki. The rest of them do seem a bit scared of really taking away from anything at crucial times in a match. Key words of course being crucial times.

Rafa lost a point during SF with Novak for slow play.

At 5*-1 40-40. :lol:

 

[Deleted member 3771]

That qualifies him to beat Rafa should they meet in a slam final !


Tursonov would feel very at home in this forum.

Yeh if Rafa plays while he's crippled again

 

[FreeBird]

Yeh if Rafa plays while he's crippled again after 1.5 sets.

Corrected for you. :twisted:

 

[Omega_7000]

Does it surprise you that Rafa Nadal has been able to have one of the best seasons of his career after being off the court for seven months?

It’s a tough topic because a lot of people insinuate that he’s not just taking Flintstones to play so well. We all have to do something a little extra because we have to maintain the level we need to compete. I’m not talking about something illegal or something hard-core. I don’t know, maybe he does have butt implants. That seems to be the topic of the locker room (laughs).

I think he’s definitely exceptional in a lot of ways. Mentally, he’s able to focus in a way that not a lot of people are able to. I think he loves just the grind of it. He loves the challenge of it. I’m not the person who likes to go out and compete for the hell of it. I’d rather go lay on a couch somewhere.

Rafa is able to focus, not to win the tournament and say, like, “Holy crap, I did such a good job! Let’s go party somewhere in Mallorca and Ibiza!” He wins the French Open and the next day he’s practicing for two hours in Queens. I’m sure he takes certain steps to give himself the best chance to get there, whether it’s taking Flintstones or eating correctly. It’s a little bit unfair from our side to say, “For sure, this guy is juicing,” because in our minds, we’d rather believe he’s doing a quick fix instead of believing he works for seven hours like a horse to get there.

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Total...ife-Lessons,-Sugarp.aspx#sthash.UyXwfjDt.dpuf

 

[Seth]

Silly journeyman.

 

[cknobman]

"I just think it's important to enforce the rules on many levels, whatever it may be. On all the players the same way. Don't give me or Djokovic a free pass just because of who we are. I think we should all be judged the same way.

"Not just a guy on Court 16 because the guy had a brutal rally, you have to give him a time violation just because you can. On center court, they're always going to be afraid, the umpires, to take those decisions. I just like to challenge them a little bit," Federer stressed.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/537991/20140210/rafael-nadal-roger-federer.htm#.UvqB0_ldV8E

Time warning offenders for 2013:
Rafael Nadal, 30
John Isner, 14
Juan Del Potro-Fabio Fognini, 11
Novak Djokovic, 10
Tomas Berdych-Ernests Gulbis, 9
Richard Gasquet, 8
Kevin Anderson-Feliciano Lopez-Andy Murray, 6

http://www.10sballs.com/2013/11/25/nadal-is-worst-offender-of-slow-play-on-court/

What is really sad about those numbers is that Rafa's warnings maybe constituted about 5% of the actual times he violated the rule.

 

[Fiji]

Nadal will be screwed after September 2014. No more slams because of the new doping policies. Biological passports will be the end of him. RG 2014 will be his last win.

 

[boramiNYC]

Having the countdown timer on display is a little unrealistic since there are going to be some points that will require a more time to recover than others. Just assign cumulative rest time allowance adding about 20 sec each point and let the players to decide how to use those times between points. Then players won't have to rely on the umpires' discretion and get ****ed when they don't agree with the umpires' decisions.

 

[PaulFCB]

1.Clock set at 25 seconds.
2.First violation in one match = warning
3.Second violation in a match = lose first serve
4.Third violation = lose point
5.Fourth violation = lose game
6.Fifth violation = DSQ
7.Yellow card for being DSQ first time, ATP warning
8.Red card = ATP penalization: a fixed amount of points or a % out of the total points earned in the past year
9.If repeated, red card each time this repeats, up to losing all points in the ATP and having to go to play Challengers and Futures to get back into the tour
10.If repeated several more times, jail time served in a Russian Gulag, most likely, Kolyma, for 1 month, during the Winter break, between WTF and the start of the season, but it can be extended at Putin's order and eventually only if the player accepts to represent Russia ( change of nationality ) and pay 75% taxes directly to the nomenklatura as a charitable donation in honor of Gerard Depardieu.
11. Nr. 10 is a joke, k? But ATP should tell that to Rafa.

 

[clayqueen]

What is really sad about those numbers is that Rafa's warnings maybe constituted about 5% of the actual times he violated the rule.

We will never know until they put a shot clock on court.

 

[clayqueen]

Having the countdown timer on display is a little unrealistic since there are going to be some points that will require a more time to recover than others. Just assign cumulative rest time allowance adding about 20 sec each point and let the players to decide how to use those times between points. Then players won't have to rely on the umpires' discretion and get ****ed when they don't agree with the umpires' decisions.

There is no discretion for long rallies. The players are told this at the toss of the coin. Put a shot clock for all to see. Nadal was the only one who was constantly accused of going over the time limit now we know that nearly everyone else does.

Roger didn't want hawkeye because he liked close calls being judged in his favour by line judges and umpires, that's why he doesn't want a shot clock because he doesn't want the truth he just wants something to give him a chance against Nadal.

 

[Crisstti]

To me, it doesn't matter whether the point is long or not. Tennis is an individual sport. They cannot stamp individuality out of it. Some players' routine takes 10 seconds others take longer, so what. I really don't care how many times Djokovic bounces the ball before he serves, that's his service routine and the players know to expect it. They all know Rafa's routine off by heart and can even mimicking him doing it, so why does an extra 10 seconds matter in the grand scheme of things.

Team sport should not be compared to individual sport. Footballers don't have to concentrate and run around non stop for up a 5+ hours, nor do basketball players. Tennis players are physically and mentally engaged for hours and some people want to kill them by not giving them enough room to breathe.


So long as they are not disrupting the game by entertaining the crowd like Laconte use to do, or Nastase trying to get the match stopped because he thought it was raining so he starts playing with an umbrella taken from a spectator, or McEnroe having a 5 minute rant at the umpire, for me it's OK.

The irony is, that the player takes even longer after a warning because he spends another few seconds arguing with the umpire about it before serving.

Good post.

Haters of course don't actually care. They just want anything used against Nadal.

What is really sad about those numbers is that Rafa's warnings maybe constituted about 5% of the actual times he violated the rule.

Whatever the % is, it's probably about the same for all players.

 

[Rozroz]

Did you know?

Haters = believers in real tennis.

 

[Crisstti]

Did you know?

Haters = believers in real tennis.

"Real" tennis?, get off your high horse :roll:

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Real tennis = everything post RG. And maybe AO now too since they sped it up a bit.

 

[TheTruth]

All the players should have been consulted before the new enforcement rules came in, not just Federer in a backroom in his capacity as president. It would have made sense if they had done a pilot with a shot clock just to see exactly whether the rule was practical or not. They can't just pluck a number out of the air.

What they didn't realise was that not many players actually keep to the time limit. Who would have thought that Murray would be the first to be awarded a point penalty for time violation? Now we know that players who never seemingly go over the limit are getting warnings, because this is 'Nadal's Law' for the benefit of Federer, so he was the only one whose time keeping was studied closely.

They did do a pilot shot clock and it blew up in their face, because they found out that many people went over the time.

So, now it's best to target one person and pretend that everyone else on the tour stays perfectly within the rules, in all things, at all times.

That way you can justify an ignorant rules by finding a scapegoat.

The only people who think this makes sense, only want it to make sense, IMO.

Because it is a ludicrous rule devoid of logic.

 

[TheTruth]

All the players should have been consulted before the new enforcement rules came in, not just Federer in a backroom in his capacity as president. It would have made sense if they had done a pilot with a shot clock just to see exactly whether the rule was practical or not. They can't just pluck a number out of the air.

What they didn't realise was that not many players actually keep to the time limit. Who would have thought that Murray would be the first to be awarded a point penalty for time violation? Now we know that players who never seemingly go over the limit are getting warnings, because this is 'Nadal's Law' for the benefit of Federer, so he was the only one whose time keeping was studied closely.

Are you serious? If so, that stinks to the highest heavens.

 

[TheTruth]

We will never know until they put a shot clock on court.

True, who watches a tennis match and counts seconds on every player throughout a match?

You'd have to have mental problems to do that.

The shot clock would expose the fallacy.

We can't have that, LOL!

 

[TheTruth]

There is no discretion for long rallies. The players are told this at the toss of the coin. Put a shot clock for all to see. Nadal was the only one who was constantly accused of going over the time limit now we know that nearly everyone else does.

Roger didn't want hawkeye because he liked close calls being judged in his favour by line judges and umpires, that's why he doesn't want a shot clock because he doesn't want the truth he just wants something to give him a chance against Nadal.

LOL...............

 

[insideguy]

When does the ref start timing between points? When the server gets the balls?

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Without the clock, umpires could pick on players if they want to because only they know when the time is up. Players cannot be expected to guess how much time they take. There is also inconsistency in how it is enforced. Some umpires give a quiet nudge to a player who is exceeding the time limit before giving them a warning, others don't.

So nadal does not possess the general understanding of time? Is in your mind Nadal that stupid?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

So nadal does not possess the general understanding of time? Is in your mind Nadal that stupid?

the rusty peak agonizing golden bull just needs his special buttpickclock...

 

[Deleted member 21996]

the rusty peak agonizing golden bull just needs his special buttpickclock...

Man... how do you find these. ... rofl

 

[Rozroz]

"Real" tennis?, get off your high horse :roll:

what horse you talking about?
seriously dude, it's TENNIS talk here :lol:

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Man... how do you find these. ... rofl

not in my living-room, fortunately !

what horse you talking about?
seriously dude, it's TENNIS talk here :lol:

don't you know that the rusty peak agonizing golden bull is also a polo goat* ?

*not to be confused with goat polo
(makes me think... golden bull polo could be interesting)

 

[SLD76]

You sound more ridiculous by the day. It's not like the hawkeye gives players full autonomy in order to determine their fate in terms of line calls. A player doesn't get any more than three chances per set which anyway leaves room for abuse even assuming your assumption about Roger is correct (which by and of itself is highly debatable because the hawkeye was introduced at a time Roger was still dominating and Roger still managed to clean the clock that year at least at the majors and YEC).

I'm constantly amazed at the lack of basic knowledge among Nadal fanboys on this website. Don't get me wrong, it mirrors their idol very often but you'd think they'd at least think their premises through.

fanatics as a rule arent known for using their brains, hence why they are blind followers.