Video of serve speed at baseline

[edberg505]

I don't know a single 4.0 at that club, on that team or not, that couldn't beat you in straights, Mr. Edberg. P.S. Why don't you go check Southwest's early ratings? I could always post a link

Ok, you got me I'm a 3.5 player. B!tch please!


Well, well, well. Some anonymous person is trying to call me out? I tell you what, you go get some 3.5 rated person at my club (if you even know where or what the name of my club is which I highly doubt) and tell them to meet me at the designated place, and the designated time, and I will gladly degsinate his ass. In fact go talk to the best 4.5 player at my club and quite possibly the state since I have hit and played with him a few times (you should know his name if you are who you claim to be) and ask him if I'm a 4.0 player.

And now for this alleged link that you supposedly have, I assume that it rates me at a 4.0 some years back, probably around 2001 or 2002 that was probably the first time I decided to pick up a racquet since graduating college and decided to play in a tournament. So I asked the director what should I play since I haven't really played since college being almost 4 years ago. He first told me that he could not find a record of me having played D1 college so he said I could self rate at 4.0 which is what I did. But, he said go ahead and play the 4.5's, so I did. I actually don't even remember what happend in those matches. I think I lost my first match I played in, he was a decent player, and my second match I had to retire from because I had a shoulder injury. Fast forward to today. Now I know for a fact that you can self rate and play in the 4.0's if there is no record of you having played D1 college tennis or if you never played in anything higher than a 4.0. This is why when I first joined the club and I still had not been playing much that they wanted me to join the team. The 4.5 leauge at my club also wanted me to play with them but I had already played in a few 4.5 matches with another team, thus I couldn't play for them. So, if you claim to be from alburquerque and claim to know me then you know that I am no 4.0 player and that everyone who knows me, knows that I'm no 4.0 player. Also, go check with some of the better juniors in the state to see if I'm a 4.0 player as well since I've hit and played with them, if you know them which I doubt. Or if you've got the testicular fortitude to play me yourself then we can have at it. Which I don't think will happen because I don't think you are who you say you are. If so, you know where to find me.

In fact I can do you one better, I will record a match with a 4.0 player and post it here.

 

[theother_505]

Ok, you got me I'm a 3.5 player. B!tch please!


Well, well, well. Some anonymous person is trying to call me out? I tell you what, you go get some 3.5 rated person at my club (if you even know where or what the name of my club is which I highly doubt) and tell them to meet me at the designated place, and the designated time, and I will gladly degsinate his ass. In fact go talk to the best 4.5 player at my club and quite possibly the state since I have hit and played with him a few times (you should know his name if you are who you claim to be) and ask him if I'm a 4.0 player.

And now for this alleged link that you supposedly have, I assume that it rates me at a 4.0 some years back, probably around 2001 or 2002 that was probably the first time I decided to pick up a racquet since graduating college and decided to play in a tournament. So I asked the director what should I play since I haven't really played since college being almost 4 years ago. He first told me that he could not find a record of me having played D1 college so he said I could self rate at 4.0 which is what I did. But, he said go ahead and play the 4.5's, so I did. I actually don't even remember what happend in those matches. I think I lost my first match I played in, he was a decent player, and my second match I had to retire from because I had a shoulder injury. Fast forward to today. Now I know for a fact that you can self rate and play in the 4.0's if there is no record of you having played D1 college tennis or if you never played in anything higher than a 4.0. This is why when I first joined the club and I still had not been playing much that they wanted me to join the team. The 4.5 leauge at my club also wanted me to play with them but I had already played in a few 4.5 matches with another team, thus I couldn't play for them. So, if you claim to be from alburquerque and claim to know me then you know that I am no 4.0 player and that everyone who knows me, knows that I'm no 4.0 player. Also, go check with some of the better juniors in the state to see if I'm a 4.0 player as well since I've hit and played with them, if you know them which I doubt. Or if you've got the testicular fortitude to play me yourself then we can have at it. Which I don't think will happen because I don't think you are who you say you are. If so, you know where to find me.

In fact I can do you one better, I will record a match with a 4.0 player and post it here.

I recognize you from the videos. I've seen you at a few tournaments here and there and I don't think you suit the 5.0-5.5 status that you've given yourself. You're athletic, you have visually suitable strokes and you have a big serve, but you don't have the game to warrant either over-hyping yourself or short-selling others. I happen to follow junior tennis and I would be happy to talk with some folks if you give me some names. I recognize the lad in some of your videos from a few years back. For his sake, I won't use his name, but he played at Albuquerque High and I have seen him teaching at what I believe is "your club." And that link happens to be the early ratings from THIS YEAR in which you, who shall remain anonymous, were computer rated BACK DOWN to 4.0. I guess that suits your 1-9 record at 4.5. And for the record, that one win came with who I believe to be the best 4.5 in the city, maybe even a 5.0. I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I am standing 100% behind the men that you slandered and betrayed on "your club's team" because I happen to know a good lot of them and they are more deserving of a 4.5 title than yourself. So if you're going to give the cold hard facts, make sure that you address both sides, so as to keep that credibility that you so crave via posting on this forum.

 

[maverick1]

First of all thanks. I do it, because there are a lot of people who are genuinely looking for advice, trying to find out how to improve their strokes, and don't know any better. When these people see the post Kehven wrote saying I have a "3.5-4.0 serve with bad techinque" they might believe the way I hit is bad technique. Especially if they see his serve (not sure if you have ever seen it), and then read that he says he is a 4.4.5 player. They might very well try to copy his serve, thinking since he is a "higher level" player. When in fact, his technique is awful. It might get the job done, but he does not have good technique at all.

In addition, now you have this noob saying he plays against guys who serve over 125 mph with a serve percentage of 60 % and they are 4.0 players. This is just flat out misleading people who might not know any better.

In addition, whenever someone takes the time to post thier vids and ask for help, I always give them good advice, never rag on them or mislead them, always thank them for posting thier vids, and wish them Good Luck. Yet, some of the advice people give on these boards is horrible, inaccurate, and one can tell they have no clue what they are talking about. Unfortunately, people who don't know any better follow these noobs advice, and myths they perpetrate.

For example, there are people on these boards who genuinely belive they are 5.0's, yet they have only been playing 1 year. They get this type of mentality from other people on these boards who say........I am a 5.0, here are my forehand videos (which coincidentally suck), and the guy watching it says, "I hit better than that so I must be a 5.0 too".

I feel it is wrong to mislead people this way, so hope the little bit of advice I can give can genuinely help people become better and more solid tennis players.

Drak,

From direct experience, I can say you are certainly encouraging, positive and helpful with people who ask for advice. Half the people seem to just want to rag the guy who posts his videos. And they do it anonymously, and with no evidence of their own credentials.

Not many people post their videos after claiming to be advanced players. I respect you(& edberg) for that. It leaves you open for criticism, and almost certainly being recognized by somebody in this forum.

I think this forum is a better place because of you. Keep up the posts.

 

[raiden031]

Why do people feel the need to constantly blow smoke up each other's asses? Why overinflate the abilities at certain NTRP levels? A 4.0 player would not make the team at a weak D3 school. Let me repeat that, NOT MAKE THE TEAM. Yet a 4.0 player can consistently serve faster than Pete Sampras and Andy Roddick? PLEASE! As far as I'm concerned, Drakulie is the only member on this board who has proven to know his ass from a hole in the ground. The rest of these claims are all nonsense. Its funny how much 100 mph talk I see around here. People make these rediculous claims, not knowing that their claims are not even do-able by the pros.

To add a post from greengoblin69 on 9/15:
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lol i've never had my serve radared, would be cool to see i guess. My old coach used to be a top junior in canada, and he said he serves around 125 and his other students said i serve a bit slower than he does, but that my kicker has more work than his, which is pretty impressive. I remember i played a match against my old coach and i hit 3 straight aces through the back fence with about 4 feet of pop, that might give you an idea of how hard that is, maybe u can make a guesstimation haha.
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So the students *think* he serves at 125 so it must be true. Hey since you have played 4.0 and 4.5 tournaments, show us your USTA tennislink lookup. Do you have any match results on there you can take screenshots of? Biggest bullsh!tter I've seen to date on this board.

 

[Duzza]

Why do people feel the need to constantly blow smoke up each other's asses? Why overinflate the abilities at certain NTRP levels? A 4.0 player would not make the team at a weak D3 school. Let me repeat that, NOT MAKE THE TEAM. Yet a 4.0 player can consistently serve faster than Pete Sampras and Andy Roddick? PLEASE! As far as I'm concerned, Drakulie is the only member on this board who has proven to know his ass from a hole in the ground. The rest of these claims are all nonsense. Its funny how much 100 mph talk I see around here. People make these rediculous claims, not knowing that their claims are not even do-able by the pros.

Well thats funny because I happen to have a video of myself serving 130 minimum...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myZZmAB3Fio
and yeah andy roddick look a like, i know i get it a lot.

 

[raiden031]

Not to mention, greengoblin was able to beat a 4.5 player (made it to 3rd round of a 4.5 tournament) after 1.5 YEARS OF PLAYING so I'm sure at this rate he'll be ATP #1 by 2008.

 

[chapufo1]

First of all thanks. I do it, because there are a lot of people who are genuinely looking for advice, trying to find out how to improve their strokes, and don't know any better. When these people see the post Kehven wrote saying I have a "3.5-4.0 serve with bad techinque" they might believe the way I hit is bad technique. Especially if they see his serve (not sure if you have ever seen it), and then read that he says he is a 4.4.5 player. They might very well try to copy his serve, thinking since he is a "higher level" player. When in fact, his technique is awful. It might get the job done, but he does not have good technique at all.

In addition, now you have this noob saying he plays against guys who serve over 125 mph with a serve percentage of 60 % and they are 4.0 players. This is just flat out misleading people who might not know any better.

No need to hate bro, u don't need to go around saying to the other person that they probably suck. If you don't like hearing that you're a 3.5-4.0 player (from the looks of it your better...) how would they feel if they were called 2.0 players without even evaluating their vids? Chill out.

 

[drakulie]

how would they feel if they were called 2.0 players without even evaluating their vids? Chill out.

Uhmmm, I have seen his service video, and make a reference to the thread where he posted it. Which is why I said, if he feels my serve is a 3.5-4.0, then his serve is a 2.0.

Furthermore, like I said I don't care about what he feels my rating is, rather I care more about how misleading his observation is, especially when compared to his serve which is severely flawed technically, and he states he is a 4.5 player.

Maybe you should try and read the entire thread.

 

[drakulie]

mav, raiden thanks. Hopefully you guys are benefiting, and I appreciate your support.

Duzza, too funny! But I thought you used a POG?

 

[kevhen]

Dude, chill out, your kick serve does look 4.5 level or better if you get them in consistently but your video was one that landed out so you should show us video of about 10 serves in a row with most of those landing in the box if you want a fair and high assessment. Just show us your USTA NTRP rating if you are trying to prove your rating level. I have no doubt you aren't at least 4.0 and likely 4.5 as you have said. Why so up in arms about me saying your serve is at least 3.5 level? It could be 4.5 level but I don't know what percent you get in and you don't show anyone returning your serve. Your technique is good. My technique is 2.0 level which is why I struggle against 4.5 players I guess.


Most of my losses in the last two years are to guys who are or will be rated 4.5, in fact all my losses in both singles and doubles this summer were to guys who will be rated 4.5 in 2007.
http://national.usta.com/leagues/Re...DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2006

http://national.usta.com/leagues/Re...DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2005

 

[MasterTS]

Dude, chill out, your kick serve does look 4.5 level or better if you get them in consistently but your video was one that landed out so you should show us video of about 10 serves in a row with most of those landing

GaG me! I don't feel that kicker (if it is a kicker) is that good.. deliberately hitting a big kicker will make the ball have much more height, kick, and spin. It's a good 4.5 serve nonetheless, but a mean kicker it is not.

 

[Mike Cottrill]

Dude, chill out, your kick serve does look 4.5 level or better if you get them in consistently but your video was one that landed out so you should show us video of about 10 serves in a row with most of those landing in the box if you want a fair and high assessment. Just show us your USTA NTRP rating if you are trying to prove your rating level. I have no doubt you aren't at least 4.0 and likely 4.5 as you have said. Why so up in arms about me saying your serve is at least 3.5 level? It could be 4.5 level but I don't know what percent you get in and you don't show anyone returning your serve. Your technique is good. My technique is 2.0 level which is why I struggle against 4.5 players I guess.


Most of my losses in the last two years are to guys who are or will be rated 4.5, in fact all my losses in both singles and doubles this summer were to guys who will be rated 4.5 in 2007.
http://national.usta.com/leagues/Reports/TennisLinkReports.asp?Level=I&MemberID=DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2006

http://national.usta.com/leagues/Reports/TennisLinkReports.asp?Level=I&MemberID=DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2005

http://tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/Players.aspx?T=33519

Can you give us an explanation:.
http://tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/Players.aspx?T=33519
This tournament does not show you entered and you show you played the open doubles.


This tournament shows you losing in the second round:
http://tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=33521&E=28

Thanks
Mike

 

[kevhen]

I think you are looking at tournaments from 2005.

4.0 singles semifinals 2006 loss to eventual champ and 2007 4.5 rated player
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=44190&E=28

Open level Doubles 2006 2nd round 6-3, 6-4 loss to 5.0 and 4.5 rated college players
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/Tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=44187&E=3

Best results from past years
4.0 singles 2003 finals (95 degree match where I cramped up in the third set but beat that guy this year!)
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Results.aspx?T=15182&E=56

4.0 Doubles 2005 final (lost to young club instructor who should have self-rated himself a 4.5)
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=29397&E=28

 

[MasterTS]

I think you are looking at last year's tournaments.
4.0 singles semis
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=44190&E=28
Open level
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/Tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=44187&E=3
Best results from past years
4.0 singles finals
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Results.aspx?T=15182&E=56
4.0 Doubles semis
http://missourivalley.tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=29397&E=28

Gosh, I think you should move to cali, or at least take a vacation down here.. Just wana see how you would do in a 64 draw tournament instread of these dinky 3 matches and you've won the 4.0 tournaments.

 

[kevhen]

The 4.0 tournies were all 4 rounds but that smaller open level one I entered was a small weak open draw which is why I entered it. Most larger open tournies around here have 32 entries with one paying out $1000 to the winner who is usually a rated D1 player.

Do you all have some tournament results to post? I would like to see a 64 player 4.0 level draw. I bet there would be alot of 3 sets matches with a field that deep and strong. No one else ever seems to post their USTA results on here.

 

[drakulie]

so you should show us video of about 10 serves in a row with most of those landing in the box if you want a fair and high assessment.

1. I don't want ANY assesment, and did not in any way shape or form post my serve to get one from this forum. If I felt I needed to work on my serve, I would hire a private coach, rather than get advice from here.

2. If I were to ask for an assessment on my serve on this forum, you would be one of the last people I wold consider taking advice from, and this is because you have already shown in this thread (and others) you do not know how to judge technique.

3. I can't post 10 straight serves because I won't be able to upload the file to Youtube. The file would be too large.

Furthermore, since you so desperately need convincing, here is what another TT forum user who I have played against, said about my serve in another thread:

Posted by NoSkillz, page 5- post # 63 & 66.
]"The video does the "sound" of the serve no justice. Because being on the receiving end of the serve you hear a "buzzing/whirling" sound as the ball makes contact with the service box and flyes towards you.

I played with some people at school the other day and it feels like their serves were floating through the air at a leasure pace towards me, compared to the bullet pace of your serve."

Last but not least, this forum has been around a much longer time than I have been a member. Yet of the thousands of times people on this forum including you have claimed --"I could serve 100+", I am the only one to date who has backed up my claims by not only posting ONE, but several serves over a hundred.

What more would you like to be convinced?

Just show us your USTA NTRP rating if you are trying to prove your rating level.

First off I am not trying to prove my rating, but know for a fact my serve is a higher rating than yours, and a 4.0. Furthermore, as I already said, I rarely play anymore, do not play in USTA tournaments, therefore----- don't have a USTA NTRP rating.

Why so up in arms about me saying your serve is at least 3.5 level?

Because people like you have no business giving advice, and have no clue how to judge playing skills.

Most of my losses in the last two years are to guys who are or will be rated 4.5, in fact all my losses in both singles and doubles this summer were to guys who will be rated 4.5 in 2007.
http://national.usta.com/leagues/Re...DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2006

http://national.usta.com/leagues/Re...DB00E25424D0BC36B584FB2A09783F7E1C&CYear=2005

I have no idea why you posted these links, but since you did I will respond as kindly as I can.

I have seen many of these USTA 4.0 tournaments. MANY of the players in the tournaments are 3.0 or 3.5, and are allowed to play because the tournament director doesn't have enough legit 4.0 players signed up to make a draw of more than 8 guys. So your singles and doubles USTA NTRP record at the 4.0 level does not impress me in the least bit.


Peace!

 

[ZPTennis]

Very true. I played a 4.5 tournament in Miami quite a few years ago and won it without much of a challenge. It was very odd, because not one of them was a true 4.5 player. It must have been a fluke because you would think Miami of all places would have a good turn out. But yeah, there are a lot of people who play up a division or even 2.

 

[drakulie]

ZP, do you remember where you played? As for the tournamants, most of the guys I know who are 4.5, 5.0 don't play USTA tournaments. They just play in local leagues, or with friends.

As a side note, sometimes you have the occasional sandbagger who is a 5.0 playing 4.0 tourneys.

 

[ZPTennis]

ZP, do you remember where you played? As for the tournamants, most of the guys I know who are 4.5, 5.0 don't play USTA tournaments. They just play in local leagues, or with friends.

As a side note, sometimes you have the occasional sandbagger who is a 5.0 playing 4.0 tourneys.

No i can't. However I do remember a big field nearby and it was somewhere near the beach. . It maybe only had about 8 clay courts? my memory is very vague. but it resembled a public facility. I stayed with a friend of mine who lives in Miami Beach.

 

[drakulie]

I think I know the park you are talking about. Years ago, there was another park nearby that had 2 grass courts, 2? clay courts + a bunch of hard courts.

 

[Andres]

Edited: Not worth it

 

[edberg505]

I recognize you from the videos. I've seen you at a few tournaments here and there and I don't think you suit the 5.0-5.5 status that you've given yourself. You're athletic, you have visually suitable strokes and you have a big serve, but you don't have the game to warrant either over-hyping yourself or short-selling others. I happen to follow junior tennis and I would be happy to talk with some folks if you give me some names. I recognize the lad in some of your videos from a few years back. For his sake, I won't use his name, but he played at Albuquerque High and I have seen him teaching at what I believe is "your club." And that link happens to be the early ratings from THIS YEAR in which you, who shall remain anonymous, were computer rated BACK DOWN to 4.0. I guess that suits your 1-9 record at 4.5. And for the record, that one win came with who I believe to be the best 4.5 in the city, maybe even a 5.0. I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I am standing 100% behind the men that you slandered and betrayed on "your club's team" because I happen to know a good lot of them and they are more deserving of a 4.5 title than yourself. So if you're going to give the cold hard facts, make sure that you address both sides, so as to keep that credibility that you so crave via posting on this forum.

Okie dokie, you are right.

 

[a guy]

Thanks to the guy who posted the serve calculation thing. I'll give that a go.

 

[Hoss]

1. I don't want ANY assesment, and did not in any way shape or form post my serve to get one from this forum. If I felt I needed to work on my serve, I would hire a private coach, rather than get advice from here.

2. If I were to ask for an assessment on my serve on this forum, you would be one of the last people I wold consider taking advice from, and this is because you have already shown in this thread (and others) you do not know how to judge technique.

3. I can't post 10 straight serves because I won't be able to upload the file to Youtube. The file would be too large.

Furthermore, since you so desperately need convincing, here is what another TT forum user who I have played against, said about my serve in another thread:

Posted by NoSkillz, page 5- post # 63 & 66.
]"The video does the "sound" of the serve no justice. Because being on the receiving end of the serve you hear a "buzzing/whirling" sound as the ball makes contact with the service box and flyes towards you.

I played with some people at school the other day and it feels like their serves were floating through the air at a leasure pace towards me, compared to the bullet pace of your serve."

Last but not least, this forum has been around a much longer time than I have been a member. Yet of the thousands of times people on this forum including you have claimed --"I could serve 100+", I am the only one to date who has backed up my claims by not only posting ONE, but several serves over a hundred.

What more would you like to be convinced?



First off I am not trying to prove my rating, but know for a fact my serve is a higher rating than yours, and a 4.0. Furthermore, as I already said, I rarely play anymore, do not play in USTA tournaments, therefore----- don't have a USTA NTRP rating.



Because people like you have no business giving advice, and have no clue how to judge playing skills.




I have no idea why you posted these links, but since you did I will respond as kindly as I can.

I have seen many of these USTA 4.0 tournaments. MANY of the players in the tournaments are 3.0 or 3.5, and are allowed to play because the tournament director doesn't have enough legit 4.0 players signed up to make a draw of more than 8 guys. So your singles and doubles USTA NTRP record at the 4.0 level does not impress me in the least bit.


Peace!

Actually, I applaud Kevhen for posting his legitimate league record. And contrary to what you are saying Drakulie, the links you mentioned ARE NOT for tournaments, but league play. If you click on his opponents (I did for a couple of them), you will see they are 4.0 rated as well. So save the 3.0/3.5 tournament BS for someone else, or at least post his tournament links instead of his league links.

 

[kevhen]

The guys that play in the 4.0 tournaments around here are mostly the #1 and #2 singles guys from each club. These are the best of the 4.0s that each have a shot at winning the tournament. None of these guys have 3.5 or 3.0 ratings. If you have a 3.5 or 3.0 rating, you play in the 3.5 or 3.0 draws. Sometimes they make the 3.0s play with the 3.5s when not enough 3.0s sign up.

If you don't have an NTRP rating then I guess this is all moot.

 

[Hoss]

Again, kudos to you Kevhen, I think you are probably the only person who has posted league records on this board, and this given all of the NTRP threads where everyone rates themselves a 4.0+. It would be interesting to see more people do the same. Not likely though.

by the way, how did you link to your results, when I tried to do it, it just pulls up my name , NTRP, but does not show the match results.

Hoss.

 

[Jon Hampton]

Interesting serve. Without paying any attention to speed, your technique is good, up until your weight transfer. You are pronating, but it doesn't look like you're really transferring all of your power into your serve. Which, by the way, I'm surprised at...I mean, if you can hit 100+ mph without much weight transfer, you could probably get up into the 120's without much more effort.

Although I haven't looked at other comments past page 2, I have to say that a big serve does not mean an NTRP ranking. Sure, it could help, but no one can be 4.5/5.0 just with a big serve, so if your groundstrokes/volleys/movement are all on par with your serve, you'd be a good 5.0 IMO.

 

[kevhen]

http://national.usta.com/leagues/FormsLogin.asp

Here is a link that you can type your name in and see all past USTA league and tournament results.

 

[MasterTS]

http://national.usta.com/leagues/FormsLogin.asp

Here is a link that you can type your name in and see all past USTA league and tournament results.

I think that link only gives league play..

This one below will give USTA tournament results:

http://tennisinformation.com/tourny/findaplayer.asp

 

[kevhen]

The first link gives league play and also tournament results if they played in both leagues and tournaments. If a person didn't play in leagues then your link is very useful.

 

[Hoss]

Yes, I know how to see my results, it just linking the actual results page (since it opens in another window) that I was having problems with.

I'll try this.

http://national.usta.com/leagues/reports/SearchReports/rptIndividualRecord.asp?MemberID=DB00D4290F900CF26DE0B0FA79586F6E6D2C7362D0&CYear=2007

 

[kevhen]

Cool, good results. How do you still have a 4.0 rating? You have won quite a bit at the 4.5 level.

 

[MasterTS]

Cool, good results. How do you still have a 4.0 rating? You have won quite a bit at the 4.5 level.

The computer rating system is jacked. You have to win 90% of your 4.5 matches to get a 4.5 rating.. basically only the first and 2nd seeds in 4.5 draws have a 4.5 rating.

Look at the guys that play 5.5s.. almost everyone is rated 5.0. Even college players that win open level tournaments and high seeds in 48 draw open tournaments are rated at 5.0 by the computer.

 

[Hoss]

Well, that 4.5 is for HTA (Houston Tennis Association) league play, in the fall and spring. Don't know why they show a different coding on the results, but if you look at the flights, we are in a 4.0 league. I believe its the Summer league results that really count towards your rating and I play USTA 4.0 in the summer. If I could get enough guys in my neighborhood to play 4.5, I would like to try that.

 

[Hoss]

TS, I have explained the ratings in my previous post. Where do you play? What are your results?

How are these jacked, they are what they are. One of the guys we beat in doubles this season is ranked in the top 20 doubles players for 4.0 in Texas (Richard Patton) 2005, posted Febraury of this year. I know....big wup, he probably had a bad day, at least I am showing my results, and that's all I claimed to do.

 

[MasterTS]

TS, I have explained the ratings in my previous post. Where do you play? What are your results?

How are these jacked, they are what they are. One of the guys we beat in doubles this season is ranked in the top 20 doubles players for 4.0 in Texas (Richard Patton) 2005, posted Febraury of this year. I know....big wup, he probably had a bad day, at least I am showing my results, and that's all I claimed to do.

I'm claiming that the computer ratings rate you lower then what you really are... I'm not claiming anything about your results or rating.

For example, I looked up some random name and look at this:

Tournament results for 4.5 look pretty impressive, usually a high seed #1-4:
http://slice.tennisinformation.com/tourny/record//id=3640559

Yet he is rated at 4.0 by the computer:
http://national.usta.com/leagues/re...zula&FirstName=jack&SearchType=W&submit2=+Go+

 

[kevhen]

It does seem hard to move up but even harder to move down! You have to win like over 90% of your matches to move up at your level. I think if you play up a level though you would probably only have to win about 40-50% to get bumped up.

Not sure how you come up with winning 90% at the higher level before getting bumped up, but it is hard to move up unless you dominate your level.

 

[Fatmike]

Bull ****. Anybody serving faster than 125, and getting 60 % of their first serves in---- is college, and pro level.

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I serve over 110 all the time, my first serve is often over 75%. And I,m rated 3.5. My second serve can be brushed, sliced, with good power.

My biggest problem is that I have trouble putting away blocked returns.

Anyway, I only bring this to say that a big nice serve does not equal high ranking.

I often play better player then me, and most of the time my serve is better then them. But they have a lot better all around game then me. But I often scores free point with my serve again player with the same rating then me so I win most of the time. But then lose to the better players.

 

[Hoss]

TS, I'm pretty sure I'm probably a strong 4.0. I believe I have a 4.5 serve and forehand, (no, I'm not going to buy a radar gun and post a video on you tube, but my inconsistency and volleys keep me firmly in the 4.0 realm for now. I could maybe appeal to be rated 4.5, but would rather do it with match results.


Sorry I got in your face, man.

Hoss.

 

[kevhen]

One of my strong 3.5 friends was clocked at 104mph with his serve. He has an aggressive power game. He only gets about 20% of his bombs in since his fairly short like 5'8. We both played baseball together and his fastball was clocked at 70mph like mine but my tennis serve was a little bigger at 110mph with his fastest at 104mph using a high quality radar. Plenty of 3.5s can hit 100mph but not with alot of consistency. They don't have kicks that go as high nor land as deep as Drakulie's though.

 

[Fatmike]

Plenty of 3.5s can hit 100mph but not with alot of consistency. They don't have kicks that go as high nor land as deep as Drakulie's though.

I do.

 

[drakulie]

And contrary to what you are saying Drakulie, the links you mentioned ARE NOT for tournaments, but league play.

So save the 3.0/3.5 tournament BS for someone else, or at least post his tournament links instead of his league links.

Like I said, if you know how to comprehend what you read, I was not sure why he posted those links and did not sit there and analyze them.

Either way, even leagues allow lesser ranked players to play at a higher level.

Oh, and by the way, here is a thread started by Maverick, so I won't save the "BS" for someone else:

"A 4.0 player can have a dynamic rating between 3.50 and 3.99. As soon as you hit 4.0, you are automatically bumped to 4.5. Between 4.0 and 4.05, you can appeal, and they would automatically grant your appeal. After 4.05 (4.06 or higher), you better have a convincing reason (usually medical) or evidence of error in the results or something of that nature.

Now, let's say you start a season as a medium 4.0 player with a rating of say 3.70 and you play a self-rated 4.0 player with an actual dynamic rating of 3.5 (lowest 4.0 rated player possible). If you end up winning the match with an average score of 6-4 (either 6-4, 6-4, or 7-6, 6-3)., the computer takes the difference between the average games won (6) and lost (4), which in this case is 2 and multiplies it by the dynamic rating of your opponent /100 and adds the result to your rating. This now becomes your new or “current” dynamic rating. In this example, 6-4 = 2, then 2 * 3.5 /100 = 0.07, then 3.7+0.07 = 3.77 is your new rating after beating a 3.5 player 6-4, 6-4. If you beat that same player 6-0, 6-0, your rating goes up by 6*3.5/100= 0.195 and your new rating will be 3.7+0.195 = 3.895. The reverse happens when you lose a match. i.e., your dynamic rating decreases by that much. As you are playing matches throughout the season, every match resulting in your dynamic rating staying above 4.0 generates a strike. 3 strikes and you are out. That is why it is important that (if you can control it) not to win 6-0, 6-0, because it really could hurt your rating or get you DQ'ed.

So, what I am saying is that your “dynamic” rating could be already at 3.95, due to your previous wins in last season, and you get disqualified by a couple of more close wins, but someone with a lower dynamic rating, say a self-rated 3.5 player, who has more wins and more convincing wins than you, does not get disqualified because it takes time for his rating to reach the threshold where strikes are generated against him."

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=123126

 

[Hoss]

You didn't have to analyze them, just open them up. Whatever. You know I hardly ever post on these boards, but had to say something when the man had the guts to post actual results and you belittled them by saying he beat a bunch of 3.0's to 3.5's (i'm paraphrasing).

 

[drakulie]

You didn't have to analyze them, just open them up. Whatever. You know I hardly ever post on these boards, but had to say something when the man had the guts to post actual results and you belittled them by saying he beat a bunch of 3.0's to 3.5's (i'm paraphrasing).

Now you are either purposely misquoting me, or not that intelligent.

What I said was those tournaments are filled with 3.0-3.5 players. And, as I already showed you on my previous post, so are leagues.

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAY "YOU BEAT A BUNCH OF 3.0-3.5 PLAYERS?"

 

[Phil]

Kehven, when you see a 3.5 or 4.0 player that has tehcnique like this, then we could talk.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/drakulie/100_0073.jpg

This is almost text book.
1. Tossing arm straight.
2. Knee bend.
3. Hips in the court.
4. Trophy pose.
5. Racquet back
6. Complete racquet drop.
7. Racquet coming at ball on it's side.
8. Pronation.
9. etc.

By the way, that serve was a few inches long, not 2 feet. It just looks that way because of the speed and camera angle.

I am a 4.5 player, and could be 5.0+ if I went out on the court and hit more than the 4-5 times a month I play now. I just don't have the time anymore.

You are absolutely dreaming if you think you have seen 3.5 or 4.0 players with technique as solid as mine. Hell, there are 4.5-5.0 players that don't have as good technique. I have been playing since I was 9, and played competitively until 19 (including a college that won the National Championship the year before I got there). I just took it up again 2 years ago after a 14 year layoff.

PS: On all these videos I am serving with a bruise on the arch of my left foot, which prohibits me from launching into the court. The only reason I originally posted my service video was because people were skeptical I could not hit 100. So I did it any ways without the aid of my left foot.

Hell, I think you could be a 7.0 if you played a few hours a day...show some more vids of your textbook strokes, please, so we can ooh and aah at your flawless technique and cool radar gun display.

You wrote The Book, dude. Hall of Fame is the next stop for such a talent as yourself. Wooo wooo! So, show us some more vids.

 

[drakulie]

Interesting serve. Without paying any attention to speed, your technique is good, up until your weight transfer. You are pronating, but it doesn't look like you're really transferring all of your power into your serve. Which, by the way, I'm surprised at...I mean, if you can hit 100+ mph without much weight transfer, you could probably get up into the 120's without much more effort.

I am not transferring my weight because I have a bad bruise on the arch of my left foot, so I can't push off. Even so, I highly doubt I could hit 120.

Although I haven't looked at other comments past page 2, I have to say that a big serve does not mean an NTRP ranking. Sure, it could help, but no one can be 4.5/5.0 just with a big serve, so if your groundstrokes/volleys/movement are all on par with your serve, you'd be a good 5.0 IMO.

They are on par, but I don't play enough to be able to hit consistently with a 5.0 right now.

 

[Hoss]

Now you are either purposely misquoting me, or not that intelligent.

What I said was those tournaments are filled with 3.0-3.5 players. And, as I already showed you on my previous post, so are leagues.

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAY "YOU BEAT A BUNCH OF 3.0-3.5 PLAYERS?"

What do you think the connotation is of saying those tournaments are filled with 3.0-3.5 players, smart guy. Did you mean to flatter Kevhen by saying that. Couldn't your logic be extrapolated to my quote, which I stated was paraphrasing. Lets face it, I just expressed honestly what you were really saying with your comment. I think it speaks for it self.

Gotta go, my keepers just sent me another banana pellet.

Mongo out.

 

[drakulie]

Hell, I think you could be a 7.0 if you played a few hours a day...show some more vids of your textbook strokes, please, so we can ooh and aah at your flawless technique and cool radar gun display.

You wrote The Book, dude. Hall of Fame is the next stop for such a talent as yourself. Wooo wooo! So, show us some more vids.

I'm sure you could be a 7.0 too. Only problem is you keep forgetting to remove the balls from your side of the court and keep tearing up your ankle.

 

[kevhen]

Occasionally a 3.5 will enter a 4.0 draw but it's rare and they are always out in the first round. I know of no 3.0s ever entering a 4.0 draw around here.

I know the difference between a 3.5 and a 4.0. I played in the finals of a 3.5 Sectional Meet involving 5 different states to go to Nationals 3 years ago. I only lost one 3.5 match that year and that was in the finals of Sectionals. The team that beat us had the 5th best record at Nationals of out 17 teams only losing to Atlanta's top 3.5 team which finished 3rd overall.

The 4.0s guys I play in tournaments around here aren't 3.5. They are 4.0 and could beat any 3.5 in this 5 state section. Our Section does just fine at Nationals.

The USTA NTRP isn't perfect but it's better than nothing and is usually fairly accurate when playing others from around the country. I have played 3.5s from other states like Georgia and Florida and have beaten then while losing to 4.5 from other states by typical scores that I would lose to 4.5s from around here. I have played 4.0s from other states and have had very close as expected results. NTRP is what it is and is the best and about only benchmark that we have for when playing against new players from other regions.

 

[Phil]

I'm sure you could be a 7.0 too. Only problem is you keep forgetting to remove the balls from your side of the court and keep tearing up your ankle.

Just make sure your foot heals properly, so you can "launch" into the court and right off to the moon...I mean, if your serve is a whopping 105 kph NOW...just think what it would be once you're airborne again!