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Attila_the_gorilla
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I'd be bringing tlm forward. Either drop shots when possible, or just short slices. Out of his comfort zone.
Lol @ "old mans tennis". Pot calling the kettle black.
Lol @ "old mans tennis". Pot calling the kettle black.
You have to admit TLM is much more physical on court. He is playing a lot more balls. Shroud in that video both players are playing slice and charge. Old man's tennis.
I still say TLM grinds shroud and mango to pulp. People like to think they can counter certain styles but are usually mistaken. If shroud and mango were a level above TLM I would say yeah they can just hit short slices and low approach shots and win at the net. Problem is shroud,mango and TLM are close in tennis skill level. Shroud can slice and rush the net but his placement is not precise enough. His movement not good enough. I would say TLM gets a racket on every approach and he can just lob it back over his head. They won't be able to cover that due to poor movement. TLM will get to every ball because shroud or mango cannot hit the approach well enough. It will become a push fest with TLM mauling the other guys. Shroud and mango do not have the ground game to play back court with TLM and the ball he hits. The net game will be ineffective due to lack of skill and or movement. I'd bet money on it and I am broke.
Here is some more old mans tennis. Me being the old guy playing against a high school kid.
How long can you keep up this style of game?
TLM would be like a food prcessor. Just grinding shroud and mango to bits. Little by little.
How many years?Do you mean how many years or match time? I can play 3 set matches like this that are almost 3 hours long.
How many years?
I'd be bringing tlm forward. Either drop shots when possible, or just short slices. Out of his comfort zone.
TLM is going to basically maul San Pablo 4.0.. let's get real here.
TLM is going to basically maul San Pablo 4.0.. let's get real here.
Papa Mango is a 4.5 player. Just because LeeD says he is 4.0 doesn't make it so. 4.5 players may be rated 4.0 for a variety of reasons, especially once they grow older.
Yeah, easier said than done. Agree with TLM, I think moonball to the backhand tactic is highly effective at 3.5-4.0, where most guys lack strong volley, overhead and dropshot skills, and movement may be limited. The other skill 3.5/4.0 lack is taking the ball on the rise to cut off the angle and time of the moonballer. We see in the videos, TLM and his opponents are way back, like near the backdrop, rolling away.
Ultimately though, with just a bit more skill with the hands, say a 4.5-- the moonballer is solved. It's sort of like the junkballer argument--you can last up to a point with a limited but very honed skillset, but at higher levels you'll get broken down. Also, from the mental perspective, some guys are too proud to spin junk or short stuff back to the moonballer. They want to prove they can outplay a guy at his own game, rather than make adjustments. However, more often I think it's just an issue of not having the skills to combat an effective tactic at the rating level.
Wjat happens if TLM plays Shroud or Mango AT San Pablo? Then it would be like Nadal vs. Sampras. . TLM would become a 7.0 player along with the rest of LeeDs buddies. And Darryle of course
Yeah, easier said than done. Agree with TLM, I think moonball to the backhand tactic is highly effective at 3.5-4.0, where most guys lack strong volley, overhead and dropshot skills, and movement may be limited. The other skill 3.5/4.0 lack is taking the ball on the rise to cut off the angle and time of the moonballer. We see in the videos, TLM and his opponents are way back, like near the backdrop, rolling away.
Ultimately though, with just a bit more skill with the hands, say a 4.5-- the moonballer is solved. It's sort of like the junkballer argument--you can last up to a point with a limited but very honed skillset, but at higher levels you'll get broken down. Also, from the mental perspective, some guys are too proud to spin junk or short stuff back to the moonballer. They want to prove they can outplay a guy at his own game, rather than make adjustments. However, more often I think it's just an issue of not having the skills to combat an effective tactic at the rating level.
He's trying to take on rise, obviously not interested in the moonball game. He drives the ball flatter in general. But he still has no net game to follow up a good redirect on the rise, and not big enough to hit through your superb defense. So still gaps. What's your score when you play him? Looked close from highlights.A lot of guys do back up and are not good at playing topspin off the rise but my hitting partner in this video stays on the baseline most of the time and plays shots off the rise very well.
He's trying to take on rise, obviously not interested in the moonball game. He drives the ball flatter in general. But he still has no net game to follow up a good redirect on the rise, and not big enough to hit through your superb defense. So still gaps. What's your score when you play him? Looked close from highlights.
Several great backhands on the rise, really like him going for those confidently. Overall seems this guy isn't playing 100% effort and not picking every chance to give you hard times - more keen to play the game. Which is good. Great partner willing to hit with you, beeing slightly ahead in terms of level, while having fun in playing rather than just winning. Good for you!A lot of guys do back up and are not good at playing topspin off the rise but my hitting partner in this video stays on the baseline most of the time and plays shots off the rise very well.
I dunno - it seemed effective enough but my opinion would be to develop a shot a little closer to the net and flatter than many of the forehands i saw. They bought time and were not point-losing shots, but did little to advance your point. But again, Federer used that shot quite effective against Djokovic today
tlm, your serve seems to have gotten a lot better. Your game really is better suited for clay. I would think indoors/hard courts would be your worst surface. Of course, you seem to run pretty well on the indoor court. Clay/hardtru requires a different set of movement skills.
I find the suggestions about drawing him to the net somewhat amusing. Not that easy to do, unless you are Fed. You end up giving him a lot of sitters.
It's hard to judge shot quality on video. His loopy shots look attackable by a decent 4.5 or better player, but the guys he is hitting with are that good and don't seem to be able to do much with them. Perhaps I am biased because I played a guy with shots like his in my first tournament in my return to tennis and he killed me.
You seem to be pretty good though, I just don't get why you moonball.
TLM is posting the same videos over and over again. We need some new material dude, even if it all looks the same.
I picked the game up late in life and have limited skills. In my early years I worked on gunning it out more and hitting flat winner type shots and I got decent at it. But then I joined a 3.5 club team and started playing league matches. I thought I could rip big forehands and beat my opponents, but I found out that even at this level most guys were very consistent. When you add up the winners that you hit with errors you make and the amount of shots that you think are winners but still come back it is a losing strategy. Unless you are really good at it.
Then when I learned to hit more topspin on the ball I could finally take full swings and keep the ball in. But as you can see I took the brushing up to an extreme degree and end up with high looping shots that many call moonballs. I enjoy taking big cuts at the ball and I can do that with this style consistently. Using this method I take the net out of the picture and with all the topspin my shots rarely go long.
At the same time I found that most club players hate the jumping topspin shots and many cannot handle them well. So I worked on hitting more topspin with more force trying to make the ball kick up violently and it ended up being very effective. My last year in 3.5 my record was 23 and 2 and won most matches easily so I moved up to 4.0 and still have good success with this method. I hit looping topspin back and forth then throw in backhand slices and short chips and it is pretty effective.
I can play a full 3 sets of this style and many opponents will wear down and become frustrated and start making a lot of errors. I go for winners but only when it is a high % shot and I am in the court with time. I know this style is not pretty and my strokes are funky looking but I use what I have. I would love to be able to win points by being able to rip winners after only a couple shots. Which I do if I am playing a weak enough opponent or guys that can't move well. But in the competive leagues I play in there are no opponents like that.
Several great backhands on the rise, really like him going for those confidently. Overall seems this guy isn't playing 100% effort and not picking every chance to give you hard times - more keen to play the game. Which is good. Great partner willing to hit with you, beeing slightly ahead in terms of level, while having fun in playing rather than just winning. Good for you!
Wear a shirt with sleeves? Ahahhahahaa...JK.Okay I was just using some old clips to show examples of me hitting more aggressive shots. I will do some more filming this indoor season, but I need to do something different and try to not make it look all the same. Lol
Wear a shirt with sleeves? Ahahhahahaa...JK.
You see?!...I didn't even know that was you! The sleeves threw me off.I already did if you notice two of the clips above I am not wearing sleeveless shirts. When you arm the ball as much as I do I need my muscles free to move and not be restricted by my shirt. Lol
Who wins between your Indian friend and that high school kid?
Haters gonna hate. I don't find anything wrong with looping top spin shots if that wins you matches and that's the style you enjoy playing.I will do some more filming this indoor season, but I need to do something different and try to not make it look all the same.
Haters gonna hate. I don't find anything wrong with looping top spin shots if that wins you matches and that's the style you enjoy playing.
On the other hand, have you thought of trying out the Spanish style drills that you saw the kid do? I think incorporating that with your natural speed will make you an even better player.
TLM, you had some nice angles on that 2nd to last video.