Was Djokovic's ball at 5-5* 40-40 on Rafa's serve, final set at AO 2012 out?

[Love Life and Rafa]

Hello guys, I' new here.
I had a question as I couldn't pick up any discussions of the event on these forums.

Remember the final minutes of the match at AO 2012, and Djokovic hitting a ball very close to the line, at 5-5* 40-40 on Rafa's serve and Rafa going on to lose the point and afterwards complaining to the chair umpire that he thought that the ball was out?

I don't think they showed the replays to that shot by Djokovic on TV back then, but it looked a pretty close call.

Djokovic of course went on to get the advantage and break Rafa straight after that point and then went on to win the match 7-5 in his next service game.

But I was wondering if the ball was really out. If so, then with an advantage point on his side, I hardly see Rafa losing his serve in that game and at that point of the match with Rafa at 6-5* and with Djokovic looking like he was physically tiring, it could have gone either way, with Rafa having a slight advantage.


The point which I'm talking about starts at 5 hrs. 42 minutes 25 seconds into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWNrvXL9Gs

 

[TheMusicLover]

It's up to the players to challenge a close call if they have any doubts about it. Yapping at the ump afterwards isn't going to help - that's exactly why there is the possibility of challenging nowadays.

 

[Love Life and Rafa]

It's up to the players to challenge a close call if they have any doubts about it. Yapping at the ump afterwards isn't going to help - that's exactly why there is the possibility of challenging nowadays.

But you do realize that at that point of that match, both players were emotionally and physically on their brinks. I don't even think they had anything left in them but the will to survive, adrenaline, if you will.

I don't blame Rafa for not challenging that call and realizing it only afterwards, because he was so much into the point. But if the ball was out (which was hard to see from here) then I blame the linesman and chair umpire for not doing their duty and doing Rafa in.

 

[SpinToWin]

no. The return clearly was in, the serve was closer than the return. Rafa's problem was that he supposedly heard an out call which confused him.

 

[TheMusicLover]

But you do realize that at that point of that match, both players were emotionally and physically on their brinks. I don't even think they had anything left in them but the will to survive, adrenaline, if you will.

I don't blame Rafa for not challenging that call and realizing it only afterwards, because he was so much into the point. But if the ball was out (which was hard to see from here) then I blame the linesman and chair umpire for not doing their duty and doing Rafa in.

The players are professionals. Emotionally spent? LOL.
Once again - if there's a close call and you have doubts about it - challenge.
You have that possibility, so use it. If you don't, it's your loss and the only who's to 'blame' is yourself.

Rafa is usually pretty good at challenging, so if he didn't, pretty sure he realized it would have been to no avail.

 

[TheMusicLover]

Rafa's problem was that he supposedly heard an out call which confused him.

Could well be. Reason enough to immediately remove sillies who call out from the stands during play from the stadium.

 

[jg153040]

The players are professionals. Emotionally spent? LOL.
Once again - if there's a close call and you have doubts about it - challenge.
You have that possibility, so use it. If you don't, it's your loss and the only who's to 'blame' is yourself.

Rafa is usually pretty good at challenging, so if he didn't, pretty sure he realized it would have been to no avail.

Lol, you are right. Emotionally spent? We are humans, we are all guided by emotions, so we all have this. So, it shouldn't be used as an excuse.

 

[furryballs]

nadal must have had an eye injury......the return was in by about a foot.he would have won in straights if he had kinesio tape over his eyes.

 

[Bender]

This!

This is honestly one of the most delusional things I have heard a Nadal fan say, which is saying much. Djoker got screwed at the FO, Nadal didn't get screwed here. End of story. Novak hit over 70 UE at the FO and still should have won. Novak really should have finished the AO final in 4 though.

> 2012 AO Novak failed to close out the match in 4; says Novak should have won in 4
> 2013 RG Nadal failed to close out the match in 4; says Novak should have won despite hitting 70 UE and getting out-winnered by Nadal in the 5th
> Says this whole thing is the most delusional thing he's heard

As stupid as this thread is, you should start with yourself before calling others out on their logic or lack thereof.

 

[spinovic]

no. The return clearly was in, the serve was closer than the return. Rafa's problem was that he supposedly heard an out call which confused him.

That is my recollection as well. Djokovic's shot looked to be clearly in.

 

[acesampras]

> 2012 AO Novak failed to close out the match in 4; says Novak should have won in 4
> 2013 RG Nadal failed to close out the match in 4; says Novak should have won despite hitting 70 UE and getting out-winnered by Nadal in the 5th
> Says this whole thing is the most delusional thing he's heard

As stupid as this thread is, you should start with yourself before calling others out on their logic or lack thereof.

You know you are playing like crap when Nadal hits more winners than you. That almost never happens! Not just to players like Roger and Nole either. Shameful performance from Novak, glad you agree. But still should have won without the bad call and the net touch

 

[Wynter]

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Point of impact looks cleanly in to me :neutral:

 

[TheMusicLover]

Screenshot made with Grabilla

Point of impact looks cleanly in to me :neutral:

Yep. Pretty sure Nadal would have challenged the call if there had been any doubt, no?

 

[tennisaddict]

no. The return clearly was in, the serve was closer than the return. Rafa's problem was that he supposedly heard an out call which confused him.

Exactly, ball was way in.

70 unforced errors each in 5 sets, looked high for the kind of match play.

Novak's OH at 6-5, 30-15 into the net after playing a great point.. only he can do that.

 

[tennisaddict]

Duplicate post

 

[Chico]

Hello guys, I' new here.
I had a question as I couldn't pick up any discussions of the event on these forums.

Remember the final minutes of the match at AO 2012, and Djokovic hitting a ball very close to the line, at 5-5* 40-40 on Rafa's serve and Rafa going on to lose the point and afterwards complaining to the chair umpire that he thought that the ball was out?

I don't think they showed the replays to that shot by Djokovic on TV back then, but it looked a pretty close call.

Djokovic of course went on to get the advantage and break Rafa straight after that point and then went on to win the match 7-5 in his next service game.

But I was wondering if the ball was really out. If so, then with an advantage point on his side, I hardly see Rafa losing his serve in that game and at that point of the match with Rafa at 6-5* and with Djokovic looking like he was physically tiring, it could have gone either way, with Rafa having a slight advantage.


The point which I'm talking about starts at 5 hrs. 42 minutes 25 seconds into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWNrvXL9Gs

What are you smoking? That return was one foot in.

Also here how you post a link to start at the certain time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWNrvXL9Gs&t=342m25s

The only thing that could have been out in that point is Nadal's second serve.

 

[Fugazi]

If by "out" you mean very clearly in, then yes, Djokovic's shot was out.

 

[The_Order]

Nothing to this, Nadal thought he heard an out call regarding his second serve.

 

[Andres]

Pay attention to the video and not what the OP said, because they're clearly talking about different things.

Nole did not hit any shot close to the line in that point. Don't know what OP is talking about.

Nadal complained because he heard an "out" call on his serve, probably the audience. First time I saw that clip, I thought the serve was out too, and I also heard the audience "out" call. In fact, he just loops it in after listening to the fan yelling.

 

[tennisaddict]

Nothing to this, Nadal thought he heard an out call regarding his second serve.

If it was that, he was losing the point. Why did he have to go to Pascal ?

 

[booson]

If by "out" you mean very clearly in, then yes, Djokovic's shot was out.

:lol: :lol: :lol: I fully agree with you.

 

[Chico]

LOL at Nadal complaining that his second serve was out. What did he want? To repeat the point he lost either way?
Well, considering biased Pascal Maria was at the chair, maybe he hoped for the best. Gamesmanship attempt anyway. Complaining about the point he clearly lost fair and square.

 

[The_Order]

No he didn't want to repeat the point. He wanted the umpire to tell the stupid Djokturds not to shout out during the points.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Ball was way IN i was wondering what Nadal was arguing about, looks like he was very very tired to argue about such a ball (that didn't even touch the line)

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Ball was way IN i was wondering what Nadal was arguing about, looks like he was very very tired to argue about such a ball (that didn't even touch the line)


edit: well i watched again, for sure Nadal can't be arguing about that return which was 1 meter inside lol

I think he might be arguing about his 1st serve, which looked IN to me

 

[Maximagq]

That ball wasn't even close to being out.

 

[TheMusicLover]

I think he might be arguing about his 1st serve, which looked IN to me

That's what I thought as well, but then again - he should have challenged the call, whatever one it was.