Was US Open 2019 a big missed opportunity for Federer?

[Rosstour]

He wasn't beating Rafa

Why not?

He had just beaten Rafa in Wimbledon, and had a bunch of wins against him on hard in 2017.

Rafa has only beat Fed once, at RG, since AO14. I like Fed's chances. I think OP is right

 

[JaxTeller]

Why not?

He had just beaten Rafa in Wimbledon, and had a bunch of wins against him on hard in 2017.

Rafa has only beat Fed once, at RG, since AO14. I like Fed's chances. I think OP is right

Heat humidity high bouncing..That's it..

 

[Rosstour]

Heat humidity high bouncing..That's it..

Hard court. That's it.

 

[JaxTeller]

Hard court. That's it.

Dimitrov...That's it

 

[juanparty]

If not injured, yes, he'd have beaten Med.
and as far as 2nd question goes, he beat Nadal a couple of months before at Wimbledon.

Feddy cant win to Dimitrov

 

[abmk]

Feddy cant win to Dimitrov

I've seen your posts in recent past. Double checked now. Good riddance, pretending fed fan aka faking troll. Off to the ignore bin, you go.

 

[Nadal_King]

Rafa would have beaten him in 4 had they met and maybe even he could have lost to meddy as well

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

No. He wasn’t beating Rafa or Meddy that year.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Hypothetical Federer would have swept aside everyone in his path, including Rafa, in straight sets. He is literally invincible.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Rare W from Spencer Gore.

 

[Lauren_Girl']

I mean he dropped sets against Summit Nagal and Damir Dzumhur, mugs who basically never won a match in Grand Slams.
Not sure how he was gonna beat peak Medvedev in the Semifinal.

 

[abmk]

I mean he dropped sets against Summit Nagal and Damir Dzumhur, mugs who basically never won a match in Grand Slams.
Not sure how he was gonna beat peak Medvedev in the Semifinal.

and then crushed Evans and Goffin losing 5 and 4 games respectively. So?

 

[DSH]

No, the 38-year-old Swiss no longer had anything to do in any Major tournament.
His last chance for glory was Wimbledon 2019 but he wasted it in the most absurd way.

 

[mike danny]

Maybe because Medvedev was a much more in-form player back then? He also beat Djokovic in straight sets last year, so you think 2019 Federer would be able to do the same? He can't beat Djokovic in a slam for more than 10 years now.

Med is an easier match-up for Nadal than Fed ever has been.

 

[mike danny]

Oh, here starts the usual cherry picking about Federer somehow owning Nadal in 2015-2019, when in fact it was only in 2017.

Well, then let's go back and take years from Nadal too. It's only fair.

 

[mike danny]

So Fed is old in 2015-2019 but he got owned by Rafa in his prime years? Does not compute.

You can't bring up hypothetical Fed here since we have actual in-match evidence of what Fed did to Nadal in 2015-2019.

 

[mike danny]

Why should results from 2009 have any effect in 2019 when a lot had changed?

Fed was no longer an underdog against Nadal in 2019. It was the exact opposite.

 

[mike danny]

Heat humidity high bouncing..That's it..

Look at IW 2017, a high-bouncing HC.

 

[mike danny]

Rafa would have beaten him in 4 had they met and maybe even he could have lost to meddy as well

He barely beat Med in the final bit he beats Fed in 4? Sure...

 

[abmk]

Look at IW 2017, a high-bouncing HC.

Miami 17 is even more telling.
After fed had 3 hr epic vs Kyrgios in the semi, no less.

 

[abmk]

Oh, here starts the usual cherry picking about Federer somehow owning Nadal in 2015-2019, when in fact it was only in 2017.

Won the Basel match in 15, Wim match in 19.
Lol, you really wondering or wanting them to meet more in 15 or 19 off clay ?
Nadal withdrew from iw 19 before fed match.
Lost to raonic in 3 in IW 15 and fed beat raonic in straights.

 

[dapchai]

Every slam since Federer turned pro was a huge missed opportunity for him, even the ones he won.

 

[BeatlesFan]

He wasn't beating Rafa

Yeah... Nadal is 1-7 against Fed since 2014. His only win was at RG. Try harder next time.

 

[StrongRule]

Well, then let's go back and take years from Nadal too. It's only fair.

I wonder how did Federer own Nadal in 2016 and 2018 if they didn't even meet in these years. Or in 2019 when their head to head was 1-1. And the one close match they had in Basel 2015 is called owning?

 

[BH40love]

Fed actually owns Nadal since 2014 (7-1). One loss at RG , huge missed opportunity for Fed.

 

[StrongRule]

Won the Basel match in 15, Wim match in 19.
Lol, you really wondering or wanting them to meet more in 15 or 19 off clay ?
Nadal withdrew from iw 19 before fed match.
Lost to raonic in 3 in IW 15 and fed beat raonic in straights.

Nadal was having the worst season of his career in 2015 and yet Federer barely beat him in Basel.

And LOL at Federer fans really want to count the walkover in IW 2019. I like how they remember very well that walkovers don't count in head to head when it comes to WTF 2014.

 

[BH40love]

I wonder how did Federer own Nadal in 2016 and 2018 if they didn't even meet in these years. Or in 2019 when their head to head was 1-1. And the one close match they had in Basel 2015 is called owning?

Fed record is 7-1 since 2014. Don’t make excuses. Without clay, Nadal has losing h2h

 

[BH40love]

Nadal was having the worst season of his career in 2015 and yet Federer barely beat him in Basel.

And LOL at Federer fans really want to count the walkover in IW 2019. I like how they remember very well that walkovers don't count in head to head when it comes to WTF 2014.

He got smashed IW 2017 it would have been repeat. Just like Nadal ducks Djokovic now

 

[StrongRule]

Fed record is 7-1 since 2014. Don’t make excuses. Without clay, Nadal has losing h2h

Walkovers don't count in head to head, as much as you want it to be otherwise. So even with your cherry picking, it is 6-1. And it's not excuses. It is an absolute joke to claim that Federer owned Nadal in years when they didn't meet at all, or in a year when their head to head was 1-1. Nadal's win in 2019 was more important by the way, because he actually ended up winning the slam, not choked a 40-15. This cherry picking is worse than some Djokovic fans acting like like tennis didn't exist before 2011.

Let me bring you a simple fact: the overall head to head is 24-16. Nadal owns the matchup, and this will never change. He was beating peak Federer a lot, and not just on clay. He also has more slams now. He is the greater player between the two. That makes you upset (which is why you cherry pick), but that's facts.

 

[StrongRule]

Med is an easier match-up for Nadal than Fed ever has been.

No, he isn't. Beating an in-form Medvedev in 5 sets is way better than losing in 5 to Dimitrov, the most irrelevant player of 2019. (who was nowhere near his 2017 form)

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Walkovers don't count in head to head, as much as you want it to be otherwise. So even with your cherry picking, it is 6-1. And it's not excuses. It is an absolute joke to claim that Federer owned Nadal in years when they didn't meet at all, or in a year when their head to head was 1-1. Nadal's win in 2019 was more important by the way, because he actually ended up winning the slam, not choked a 40-15. This cherry picking is worse than some Djokovic fans acting like like tennis didn't exist before 2011.

Let me bring you a simple fact: the overall head to head is 24-16. Nadal owns the matchup, and this will never change. He was beating peak Federer a lot, and not just on clay. He also has more slams now. He is the greater player between the two. That makes you upset (which is why you cherry pick), but that's facts.

Slay bestie! See fed fans are worse than us Djokovic fans. I agree with you that Rafa owns the matchup overall!

 

[Mike Sams]

Federer being 4-23 in BPs against Djokovic in the USO 2015 final was a bigger missed opportunity. Djokovic wasn't playing that good. Federer just managed to crap the bed repeatedly.

 

[Tennfan123]

No. Wim 19 was his last shot. USO 19 was a truer reflection of his old ass.

 

[sportsfan1]

Federer hasn't been been healthy by the time of the uso season in a very long time, as early as 2013 when he lost in the early rounds. Especially his back issues have been frequent during that part of the season.

 

[Entername]

Federer hasn't been been healthy by the time of the uso season in a very long time, as early as 2013 when he lost in the early rounds. Especially his back issues have been frequent during that part of the season.

This has happened since about 2016. He was still in good form from 2009-2015 but just couldn't get over the hump. I tend to categorize Fed's losses at USO since 2008 into four categories

He should've won the match he lost:
- 2009 USO
- 2010 USO
- 2011 USO
- 2015 USO

Got beat by zoning opponent:
- 2012 USO
- 2014 USO

Was clearly not 100%:
- 2017 USO
- 2019 USO
- All the DNPs since '16

Wtf was that:
- 2013 USO
- 2018 USO

 

[sportsfan1]

He was injured in 2013 as well

Federer recounts "lingering" back problem, adjustments in training | Tennis.com

The world No. 5 says he is "playing more freely overall and with

www.tennis.com

 

[FrontHeadlock]

They managed to take the world’s worst tennis stadium (Ashe 1997 - 2015) and remarkably made it even worse by building that obscene roof over it. Not on top of it but over it. Encapsulating Ashe is a pile of giant piles. Whoever made it happen should be hanged, drawn and quartered.

It's truly unbelievable how terrible the USTA is.

I could pick 10 tennis fans at random, and they'd make better decisions than the USTA.

 

[abmk]

Nadal was having the worst season of his career in 2015 and yet Federer barely beat him in Basel.

And LOL at Federer fans really want to count the walkover in IW 2019. I like how they remember very well that walkovers don't count in head to head when it comes to WTF 2014.

nadal was playing some decent tennis in the indoor season of 2015, his best tennis of 2015 in fact.
I am not counting walkover in IW 19. It doesn't count in h2h. I'm saying its hilarious that you would want them to meet more in 2015 or 2019.
you know fed would've beaten Nadal at IW had they met in IW 15 or IW 19.
and also Cincy 15 (nadal lost to Lopez a round before potentially meeting Fed, right)

but maybe you are being just, after all fed did meet him 4 times in 2013. so nadal should've met fed like 3 more times in 2015, no?

 

[StrongRule]

nadal was playing some decent tennis in the indoor season of 2015, his best tennis of 2015 in fact.
I am not counting walkover in IW 19. I'm saying its hilarious that you would want them to meet more in 2015 or 2019.

but maybe you are being just, after all fed did meet him 4 times in 2013. so nadal should've met fed like 3 more times in 2015, no?

Compared to the rest of 2015 Nadal looked pretty good in the fall season. Actually, had they met in Shanghai (where Federer lost early) I would give him more chances against Federer based on their forms. However, in Basel Nadal looked much more vulnerable. He was:

6-1 5-3 down against Rosol in the first round, Rosol was 30-0 while serving for the match. Also the third set had a tiebreak. Nadal winning this match was a miracle, almost comparable to Paris 2009 against Almagro. He should have lost 6-1 6-4.
Down a break in the first set against Dimitrov, lost the second set, down a break again in the third.
Down a set and a break against Cilic.
Down a break in both sets against Gasquet. Saved multiple setpoints in the second set.

Had Nadal won the title, it would have been a big fluke. Only bigger fluke would be winning Paris 2009. Yet, the final was a close match. Federer in 2015 was nowhere near his 2017 form.

 

[Russeljones]

This thread should have been about the 2001 Wimbledon. A much more interesting hypothetical.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Federer being 4-23 in BPs against Djokovic in the USO 2015 final was a bigger missed opportunity. Djokovic wasn't playing that good. Federer just managed to crap the bed repeatedly.

One of the worst matches I've ever seen lol. Federer can be ridiculous sometimes.

 

[Start da Game]

i am one of those persons who believe that fed simply avoided rafa in new york after 2011 when his prime ended......robredo in 2013, dimitrov in 2019, he knew what the result would be beforehand and cleverly stepped aside......why only at the us open you may ask......reason being usa media is the largest in the world and they usually banter about petty things for months, so just imagine how many years they would have talked if fed lost to rafa at us open under the lights in the final at arthur ashe, all that would have been unbearable for him and not necessary at that stage of his life......

 

[hoodjem]

The recount of Fed's supposed missed opportunities is reaching ubiquitous status.

Virtually quotidian.

 

[Backspin1183]

Lol Fed's last USO was in 2008. He wasn't beating the most successful USO player of the 2010s in 2019!

 

[abmk]

Compared to the rest of 2015 Nadal looked pretty good in the fall season. Actually, had they met in Shanghai (where Federer lost early) I would give him more chances against Federer based on their forms. However, in Basel Nadal looked much more vulnerable. He was:

6-1 5-3 down against Rosol in the first round, Rosol was 30-0 while serving for the match. Also the third set had a tiebreak. Nadal winning this match was a miracle, almost comparable to Paris 2009 against Almagro. He should have lost 6-1 6-4.
Down a break in the first set against Dimitrov, lost the second set, down a break again in the third.
Down a set and a break against Cilic.
Down a break in both sets against Gasquet. Saved multiple setpoints in the second set.

Had Nadal won the title, it would have been a big fluke. Only bigger fluke would be winning Paris 2009. Yet, the final was a close match. Federer in 2015 was nowhere near his 2017 form.

now do the same for fed in Basel 15. he didn't play well till the final.
Nadal struggling vs hitters like Cilic/Rosol indoors isn't a surprise.
Dimi typically took a set off him. did so in 17 as well.

both federer and nadal raised their level for the final.

I assume by last sentence you are referring to Basel tournament only. Because while fed was better in year 17 as whole, he wasn't way better than 15.

IW 15, though fed wasn't as good as IW 17, was clearly better than Nadal.
I also mentioned CIncy 15 in my edit. Check.

 

[Fiero425]

Fed blew it at both USO18 and USO19 (7-1 h2h vs Dimitrov and 3-1 h2h vs Millman). The 18 match was played in extremely hot conditions, and in 19 I think his back flared up during the match, it's a missed opportunity since it could have set up a QF vs Novak and SF vs Med, respectively

Fed's only come close to winning in 2009 up 2 sets to 1 on Del Potro! He lost it in 5 and hasn't been close since! His last final in 2015 was never in doubt! Why would anyone think he even had a chance 2017-19? IDK!

 

[MichaelNadal]

Lol Fed's last USO was in 2008. He wasn't beating the most successful USO player of the 2010s in 2019!

Certainly not sleeveless Nadal in an epic kit lol
Imagine seeing this on the other side of the net lol

 

[Sudacafan]

Was Wimbledon 2019 a big missed opportunity for Federer?

LOL. I actually misread that in this thread’s title. It’s amazing how one’s mind works some times.

 

[mike danny]

I wonder how did Federer own Nadal in 2016 and 2018 if they didn't even meet in these years. Or in 2019 when their head to head was 1-1. And the one close match they had in Basel 2015 is called owning?

Then Nadal doesn't get 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2012.

Nadal also didn't own Fed in slams for a decade if they did not even play in 2015 and 2016.

 

[mike danny]

No, he isn't. Beating an in-form Medvedev in 5 sets is way better than losing in 5 to Dimitrov, the most irrelevant player of 2019. (who was nowhere near his 2017 form)

Med is an easy match-up for Nadal. 5-1 on HC, all matches during Med's prime.

 

[mike danny]

Lol Fed's last USO was in 2008. He wasn't beating the most successful USO player of the 2010s in 2019!

Nadal's last AO win was in 2009 before this year. Just saying.