What are Kyrgios chances against Novak on grass?

Federev

Federev

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FiddlerDog said:
He will walk past injured Rafa.

I think Nick may well go all the way.
There is no pressure on him. This is now all gravy.
This is exactly how he became a Grand Slam Champion w/ KingKokk.
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If he beats Rafa there will tremendous mental pressure on him. As Novak said about Sinner in the presser - Sinner had nothing to lose starting out, but after set 2 he had something to lose.

No way Kyrgios gets the trophy unless Novak falters before in the semi-against - (I literally can't remember).
 
Nostradamus

Nostradamus

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FiddlerDog said:
He will walk past injured Rafa.

I think Nick may well go all the way.
There is no pressure on him. This is now all gravy.
This is exactly how he became a Grand Slam Champion w/ KingKokk.
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i wonder about this too... what is head to head with these guys ?? I think Novak seem to kind of own Kyrios because he returns serve so well and Kyrios gets really frustrated with novak because he doesn't get those Free points on serve he normally gets many times against all other players
 
USMC-615

USMC-615

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I picked Crazy Nick from the get-go to win Wimbledoom ‘22...don’t ask me why, I just did, and stuck to my guns the whole way. And I’ve made a few hundred so far as he’s progressed through the tournament, lol. I think he’ll handle Nadal tomorrow, and if he meets the Djoker in the final, I think he‘ll pull it off! I either add to my profit or lose some of it.…I got a 50/50 shot.
 
Hitman

Hitman

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Martin J said:
This. Fritz is better off the ground and has (or should've had, lol) a better return, Nick has a bigger serve and neither of them are great movers. I expect Nadal to unleash his forehand like he did today and have Nick running all the time.
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Yep. Nadal will simply expose Kyrgios' movement like he always has.
 
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travlerajm

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USMC-615 said:
I picked Crazy Nick from the get-go to win Wimbledoom ‘22...don’t ask me why, I just did, and stuck to my guns the whole way. And I’ve made a few hundred so far as he’s progressed through the tournament, lol. I think he’ll handle Nadal tomorrow, and if he meets the Djoker in the final, I think he‘ll pull it off! I either add to my profit or lose some of it.…I got a 50/50 shot.
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Gotta know when to hold ‘em…
 
sometennisdot

sometennisdot

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Weirdly enough he is the most likely to beat Djokovic.
But we are talking about one of the best returners ever, and someone who has mastered the grass. I expect something like Djoko 6-4, 6-2, 7-6, but there is a possibility Kyrgios can win
 
liriel

liriel

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USMC-615 said:
I picked Crazy Nick from the get-go to win Wimbledoom ‘22...don’t ask me why, I just did, and stuck to my guns the whole way. And I’ve made a few hundred so far as he’s progressed through the tournament, lol. I think he’ll handle Nadal tomorrow, and if he meets the Djoker in the final, I think he‘ll pull it off! I either add to my profit or lose some of it.…I got a 50/50 shot.
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You're impressive I give you that.
 
liriel

liriel

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This year's draw was poor plus some unlucky early upsets and I had to educate myself on some players I thought I wouldn't have.
 
chjtennis

chjtennis

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NK can beat Djok. Novak should be the favorite to win the tournament, but anything can happen from here. All depends on each player's form on the day.
 
Nate7-5

Nate7-5

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Current line vs. Nadal:

Kyrgios: -155
Nadal +130

If Kyrgios were to meet Djokovic in the final, I would expect Djokovic to be a ~55%-60% favorite. The 0-2 H2H doesnt matter that much because those matches were 5 years ago and 3 setters on HC.
 
platypus50

platypus50

Rookie
I think Nick has a good chance (40% or so). Really hoping that it will be a Djokovic vs Kyrgios final instead of another Djokovic vs Nadal one.

H2H is 2-0 for Kyrgios against Djokovic with both matches played in early 2017 on HC.

For now, there is only those 2 matches that I can comment on but from what I observed:
  • Kyrgios's serve was firing on all cylinders in both matches (Djokovic was unable to break him even once in either match)
  • Kyrgios junkballing Djokovic - Djokovic struggles playing against opponents who don't hit the ball with much pace and he particularly dislikes it when he is the one who needs to generate the pace on the ball (think back to his 4R match against Gilles Simon in 2016 Aus Open where he hit 100 unforced errors over 5 sets and got quite lucky to escape with the W in the end there)
  • Put the 2 points above together and you have a nightmare of an opponent for Djokovic that has a huge serve and denies Djokovic the pace and rhythm that he craves
The big IF is whether Kyrgios can actually win 3 sets against Djokovic instead of 2. As seen in recent times, being up 2-0 in sets in a slam against Djokovic doesn't guarantee victory.
 
NeutralFan

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Martin J said:
This. Fritz is better off the ground and has (or should've had, lol) a better return, Nick has a bigger serve and neither of them are great movers. I expect Nadal to unleash his forehand like he did today and have Nick running all the time.
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Good point Martin J brother. I would like to add another thing Fritz was making way less errors ( he made only 35 unforced errors in 5 sets) and no way Nick can keep it that low. Fritz was in almost every Rafa's service due to his good return, don't think Nick can do that. Only thing Nadal needs to worry about will be to break Nick's serve and everything will be fine.
 
Cindysphinx

Cindysphinx

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Nah. Nick can’t win. Can’t win a slam with no coach, no strategy, no fitness, no footwork, no experience.

That first set against Garin was a mess. No way would Novak succumb to that.

Gotta be a Medvedev backboard to beat Novak. That’s not Nick.
 
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Tennfan123

Legend
Well, he won't be intimidated. Plus, he can outdrama Djokovic. And he has the serve and shotmaking to take the match away from him.
So, good. I am on board if Nick can be bothered.
 
Mike Sams

Mike Sams

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Kyrgios doesn't have a mental block against Djokovic so he might really go for his shots.
If Kyrgios was to go 2 sets up, I don't think Djokovic could simply take a toilet break and then instantly turn the tables and ragdoll him for the next 3 sets the way he did to Sinner, Tsitsipas, and Musetti.
The favourite though is Djokovic to win in 4 sets if they meet in the final because he's the 20 time winner of majors.
 
ibbi

ibbi

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I feel like a Nakashima is a good one to look at to get an idea. Good serve, really good return, great mover who can rally all day.

His serve was good enough to expose Nick’s lack of return, Novak’s is better.

His return was good enough to get back a fair few of Nick’s bombs, Novak’s is better.

Not sure Novak is as happy rallying all day as he once was, but his defensive capabilities have got to still be at least equal to Nakashima’s.

This all leaves out the massive psychological advantage he’ll have that Brandon did not.

On paper, his chances don’t look great, but Novak could always have an off day :-D he could want it too much and psych himself out.
 
Candide

Candide

Hall of Fame
Only slightly better than his chances against Novak on acid?
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mahatma

Hall of Fame
Hitman said:
Yep. Nadal will simply expose Kyrgios' movement like he always has.
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Nick won't run much. Max power hitting all the way. Still match in Nadal's to lose all the way..Can see Nick trying to go for winners in his service games and not trying much in Nadal's serve to save his body from any wear or tear. Nick will get broken once in all 3 sets and probably won't break back. Eventual score :

6-4,6-4,7-5 Nadal
 
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Blahovic

Professional
Martin J said:
This. Fritz is better off the ground and has (or should've had, lol) a better return, Nick has a bigger serve and neither of them are great movers. I expect Nadal to unleash his forehand like he did today and have Nick running all the time.
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Kyrgios won't get broken 7 times by anyone ever if he serves well on grass.

Fritz has a big serve but he's nowhere near as precise, consistent and difficult to read on his serve as Kyrgios is.
 
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Turner

New User
Realistically, it's not happening, unless Novak hurts himself or catches covid or something.

If Novak is at his best, they're just not on the same level.
 
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