whats the RA of the srixon cx 2.0 tour 18x20?

[AllCourtHeathen]

Anyone know what the RA of the "kevin anderson" srixon cx 2.0 tour 18x20 is?

There's no mention of the stiffness anywhere on the dunlop/srixon site, they list every spec but.

 

[Anton]

Felt like something around 60RA just hitting it against my hand, some pronounced flex for sure.

 

[dgoran]

61

 

[AllCourtHeathen]

61

Sweet. Is that strung or unstrung? Where'd you find that out?

 

[Anton]

Sweet. Is that strung or unstrung? Where'd you find that out?

strung for sure

 

[Tommy Haas]

@moon shot found a recent listing on racquetfinder.com showing it at 61 RA. The days of sub 60 RA frames and hefty control sticks may be over. There are plenty of lighter frames with a sub 60 RA, but I haven't seen a sub 60 RA heavy control frame since the PK Heritage Type C Redondo MP, but many have commented that it didn't play as soft as the RA indicated.

The frames to keep an eye out on now are the Prince Phantom 100 and Phantom Pro 100. I myself am waiting for the Pro version and also the Dunlop Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. The wait list for Ultra Tour demo is also very long, so I don't know how that one plays like yet and so anxious that I may even buy it without test driving first.

 

[dgoran]

It's in product pages under Dunlop

 

[Tommy Haas]

It's in product pages under Dunlop

Where is the Kevin Anderson signature model that's his real racquet? TW not carrying it?

 

[EdMcMush]

the dunlop revo cz 98d reminds me of a 98 square inch PD

 

[AllCourtHeathen]

It's in product pages under Dunlop

Ahhh you're right! It wasn't there when i checked last, hence the thread. Just assumed it hadn't been listed yet.

Wondering whether to lash out on this or the angell tc95 63ra

 

[dgoran]

Ahhh you're right! It wasn't there when i checked last, hence the thread. Just assumed it hadn't been listed yet.

Wondering whether to lash out on this or the angell tc95 63ra

I will demo it and I own tc95 18x20 so I can tell you if is worth it if you cannot demo tc95

 

[AllCourtHeathen]

I will demo it and I own tc95 18x20 so I can tell you if is worth it if you cannot demo tc95

Awesome thanks mate! I'd reckon that more than one person would be very interested to read a side by side comparison of the two.

 

[morten]

Interresting frame for sure. Just unsure of the stability as it is so light..

 

[Anton]

Holey shmoley, this thing is crazy light in the head, lead is a must.

95 sq. in. / 612.9 sq. cm.
Strung Weight:11.6oz / 328.85g
Balance:12.4in / 31.5cm / 9 pts HL
Swingweight:315
Stiffness:61
Beam Width:20mm / 20mm / 19mm /
Grip Type:Leather!
String Pattern:18 Mains / 20 Crosses

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Dunlop_Srixon_Revo_CX_20_Tour_18x20/descpageRCDUNLOP-R2T18.html

 

[dgoran]

Holey shmoley, this thing is crazy light in the head, lead is a must.

95 sq. in. / 612.9 sq. cm.
Strung Weight:11.6oz / 328.85g
Balance:12.4in / 31.5cm / 9 pts HL
Swingweight:315
Stiffness:61
Beam Width:20mm / 20mm / 19mm /
Grip Type:Leather!
String Pattern:18 Mains / 20 Crosses

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Dunlop_Srixon_Revo_CX_20_Tour_18x20/descpageRCDUNLOP-R2T18.html

Judging by Kevin's prestige specs he probably adds about 40grams of weight to this thing

 

[purple-n-gold]

I will demo it and I own tc95 18x20 so I can tell you if is worth it if you cannot demo tc95

Will be interested in your take on this as well.

 

[mavsman149]

Looks like a very interesting frame!

 

[Anton]

Judging by Kevin's prestige specs he probably adds about 40grams of weight to this thing

You are assuming he uses this thing

 

[Tommy Haas]

Could someone explain all the tech this racquet has? It has as almost as much tech as the Yonex Ezones. Is it all just BS marketing or has some real benefits?

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Awesome thanks mate! I'd reckon that more than one person would be very interested to read a side by side comparison of the two.

Have a look at the review from Lafino/ Fukky... when they hit with it the sound is a bit higher pitched (at least that's what it sounded like to me). Made me think it played crisper, but then saw the RA and the two didn't mix. Would be interested in what people think. Definitely waiting to hear reviews and thoughts...

When Kevin smacks the ball it doesn't sound as high pitched or tight, so might be the strings or just a weird sound in the recording (or my imagination)...

 

[Automatix]

Could someone explain all the tech this racquet has? It has as almost as much tech as the Yonex Ezones. Is it all just BS marketing or has some real benefits?

There is no way of verifying whether a changing cross section of the racquet frame does what is advertised.

 

[morten]

So Sad.. i know i have to buy this racket... another one.. my 101th racket

 

[skuludo]

Could someone explain all the tech this racquet has? It has as almost as much tech as the Yonex Ezones. Is it all just BS marketing or has some real benefits?

The English Srixon site explains all of those techs. Watch this video to see the results for yourself.

 

[Anton]

My tennis club has a demo of the Tour 18x20, came strung with synthetic gut.

Felt pretty good, not too different from Ultra Tour but a bit softer and less refined feeling. Surprisingly stable for such low static weight and headlight balance, though obviously not as stable as my leaded up UT but the potential seems there.

There was a bit of metallic ping to it even with a damper, extra weight may change that.

 

[Tommy Haas]

My tennis club has a demo of the Tour 18x20, came strung with synthetic gut.

Felt pretty good, not too different from Ultra Tour but a bit softer and less refined feeling. Surprisingly stable for such low static weight and headlight balance, though obviously not as stable as my leaded up UT but the potential seems there.

There was a bit of metallic ping to it even with a damper, extra weight may change that.

How much softer was the new Srixon over the UT? Softer as in more flexible or more dampened and muted? Where does the Srixon flex at? What are the key differences between the two frames? I'm trying to decide between the Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20 and the Ultra Tour. I'm leaning towards the UT because of the larger head and cleaner layup. The Srixon has a lot of tech and I wonder if all that even works. I don't like frames that are too muted like the DR98 which has even more tech, but do like flexibility at the throat. I see those as two different characteristics.

 

[wangs78]

Are these racquets made in Japan (like Yonex)? The tagline on the TW home page is "English tradition meet Japanese precision" so it better be, otherwise that is very misleading marketing.

 

[daddabompa]

Are these racquets made in Japan (like Yonex)? The tagline on the TW home page is "English tradition meet Japanese precision" so it better be, otherwise that is very misleading marketing.

They are (and were before the change to double name "Dunlop Srixon) Made in China.

 

[wangs78]

They are (and were before the change to double name "Dunlop Srixon) Made in China.

So the statement is a damn lie. Should be "English tradition meets Japanese precision... but really made in China like everything else"

 

[JGads]

My tennis club has a demo of the Tour 18x20, came strung with synthetic gut.

Felt pretty good, not too different from Ultra Tour but a bit softer and less refined feeling. Surprisingly stable for such low static weight and headlight balance, though obviously not as stable as my leaded up UT but the potential seems there.

There was a bit of metallic ping to it even with a damper, extra weight may change that.

Can you expand on what you mean by "less refined" than the Ultra?

Honeymooning with the Ultra right now, so just curious.

Also, anyone able to translate the Fukky review?

 

[daddabompa]

So the statement is a damn lie. Should be "English tradition meets Japanese precision... but really made in China like everything else"

Yeah, the statement is "a bit" misleading
Anyway I have the 2015 Edition and I have to say that it's a pretty good racket as for feeling during play, but it's also really good finished as for paint.
A bit like Bridgestone rackets, they are Made in China too, but holding them you feel to have something superior as for quality in your hands...it's difficult to explain with words that kind of feeling

 

[wangs78]

Yeah, the statement is "a bit" misleading
Anyway I have the 2015 Edition and I have to say that it's a pretty good racket as for feeling during play, but it's also really good finished as for paint.
A bit like Bridgestone rackets, they are Made in China too, but holding them you feel to have something superior as for quality in your hands...it's difficult to explain with words that kind of feeling

Many of my older racquets have glossy paint and because of that generally have a more premium feel. If these Srixon racquets are like that then I am onboard!

The racquet's paintjob reminds me of the Muscleweave200g and Hotmelt 200g except with even more "noise" from all the logos. Given the same head size (95) and string pattern (18x20), I wonder how different it is from those two classic sticks.

 

[Tommy Haas]

Many of my older racquets have glossy paint and because of that generally have a more premium feel. If these Srixon racquets are like that then I am onboard!

The racquet's paintjob reminds me of the Muscleweave200g and Hotmelt 200g except with even more "noise" from all the logos. Given the same head size (95) and string pattern (18x20), I wonder how different it is from those two classic sticks.

The racquets are like NASCAR. Any space available on the car has a logo slapped on it. These are the busiest looking racquets that I've ever seen. They advertise every single tech the frame contains.

 

[Tommy Haas]

I'm hoping @Anton will answer my questions regarding his club demo.

Why would someone choose the Srixon over an Angel TC95 18x20 63RA other than it being 2 points more flexible and if you like your racquet having loads of tech?

Does the Angell use parallel drilling? Srixon calls it straight string system. The Angell is foam filled while the Srixon hoop is partially filled with silicone and urethane.

Where would the Angell TC95 and Wilson Ultra Tour be on this chart?

 

[daddabompa]

Many of my older racquets have glossy paint and because of that generally have a more premium feel. If these Srixon racquets are like that then I am onboard!

The racquet's paintjob reminds me of the Muscleweave200g and Hotmelt 200g except with even more "noise" from all the logos. Given the same head size (95) and string pattern (18x20), I wonder how different it is from those two classic sticks.

Mine have glossy paint indeed, but it is mainly black/red color with gold inserts.

I tried a Muscle Weave 200G about 2 years ago and the feel was similar.
If I recall well it was a bit flexier on throat and maybe just a little bit more solid/stable (maybe because of the stock higher static weight).

 

[SpinToWin]

I'm hoping @Anton will answer my questions regarding his club demo.

Why would someone choose the Srixon over an Angel TC95 18x20 63RA other than it being 2 points more flexible and if you like your racquet having loads of tech?

Does the Angell use parallel drilling? Srixon calls it straight string system. The Angell is foam filled while the Srixon hoop is partially filled with silicone and urethane.

Where would the Angell TC95 and Wilson Ultra Tour be on this chart?

That graph makes no sense. The CX 2.0 Tour above the CX 2.0+ in spin? Wha?!

 

[Anton]

Can you expand on what you mean by "less refined" than the Ultra?

Honeymooning with the Ultra right now, so just curious.

Also, anyone able to translate the Fukky review?

UT has what feels like a uniform one-piece flex and *thud*, Tour2.0 has a busier flex feel with a bit more give in the head along with a touch of metallic ping.

Not to say Tour2.0 doesn't feel good, it 's actually pretty good, just not as nice as silky smooth UT.

 

[Anton]

How much softer was the new Srixon over the UT? Softer as in more flexible or more dampened and muted? Where does the Srixon flex at? What are the key differences between the two frames? I'm trying to decide between the Srixon Revo CX 2.0 Tour 18x20 and the Ultra Tour. I'm leaning towards the UT because of the larger head and cleaner layup. The Srixon has a lot of tech and I wonder if all that even works. I don't like frames that are too muted like the DR98 which has even more tech, but do like flexibility at the throat. I see those as two different characteristics.

Tour2.0 feels like it has just a bit softer loop, you feel flex more on it.

I really would need to string up and weight up Tour2.0 to form a serious comparison to UT, but initial impression is it is a nice classic type frame similar to UT, but not quiet as smooth and solid.

 

[Imago]

That graph makes no sense. The CX 2.0 Tour above the CX 2.0+ in spin? Wha?!

Its purpose is to impress, not to make sense.

 

[AllCourtHeathen]

That graph makes no sense. The CX 2.0 Tour above the CX 2.0+ in spin? Wha?!

The buzzwords and hype are starting to seriously turn me off.

 

[Doc Hollidae]

The buzzwords and hype are starting to seriously turn me off.

Such as:

"...it also delivers mindless placement on full swings."

 

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

The buzzwords and hype are starting to seriously turn me off.

Such as:

"...it also delivers mindless placement on full swings."

Dear tennis manufacturer/brand marketers:

History has shown us that you know NOTHING about the game of tennis, or marketing for that matter. Now, your company has actually come out a few delicious racquets. So I have a suggestion for you marketers, especially those who know nothing about either discipline: Just let the racquets do the talking.

In other words, keep your mouths shut marketers.

Sincerely,
Excited tennis players everywhere.

 

[Tommy Haas]

I tried a Muscle Weave 200G about 2 years ago and the feel was similar.
If I recall well it was a bit flexier on throat and maybe just a little bit more solid/stable (maybe because of the stock higher static weight).

Your MW200G sentiments are not surprising. If that was the first edition Muscle Weave then it had a 59RA and more flexible. The Muscle Weave's stock weight is 12oz so more stable too. Did your play with your 2015 Tour 18x20 edition stock w/o lead? Did you notice the string pattern's density being the same or more open? How about spin generation?

The MW string pattern is super dense, probably the densest ever and also hard to spin with without impeccable technique. It almost seems like Dunlop made the new Srixon Tour a more friendly Muscle Weave 200G with a low enough static weight to customize with lead.

 

[Tommy Haas]

Such as:

"...it also delivers mindless placement on full swings."

That just means that it has AI control tech for auto-pilot. All you need to do is take a full swing and the racquet automatically decides where to hit the ball.

 

[daddabompa]

Your MW200G sentiments are not surprising. If that was the first edition Muscle Weave then it had a 59RA and more flexible. The Muscle Weave's stock weight is 12oz so more stable too. Did your play with your 2015 Tour 18x20 edition stock w/o lead? Did you notice the string pattern's density being the same or more open? How about spin generation?

The MW string pattern is super dense, probably the densest ever and also hard to spin with without impeccable technique. It almost seems like Dunlop made the new Srixon Tour a more friendly Muscle Weave 200G with a low enough static weight to customize with lead.

Yes, mine MW is the first edition.

I bought the Srixon with already a bit of silicone injected into the handle, since also previous owner felt/heard a strange "ping" noise when hitting the ball.
With silicone it is almost disappeared.

I found it pretty much "spin-friendly" being a 18x20, for sure more than MW.

 

[Tommy Haas]

@daddabompa looking at your Federer avatar, it's not surprising that he has back problems with his hyper extended follow through on his backhands.

 

[SpinToWin]

@daddabompa looking at your Federer avatar, it's not surprising that he has back problems with his hyper extended follow through on his backhands.

Wat

 

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

@daddabompa looking at your Federer avatar, it's not surprising that he has back problems with his hyper extended follow through on his backhands.

Wat

 

[wangs78]

I'll probably wait for these to go on sale. Given the limited appeal and weird marketing (the slogans and technologies sound downright ridiculous) my guess is these will go for $100 after 12 months. Am very glad that the Dunlop heritage has been resurrected but Srixon/Sumitomo really needs to hire someone to do a better paintjob and improve the marketing if they want to have a chance outside of Japan.

 

[wangs78]

Your MW200G sentiments are not surprising. If that was the first edition Muscle Weave then it had a 59RA and more flexible. The Muscle Weave's stock weight is 12oz so more stable too. Did your play with your 2015 Tour 18x20 edition stock w/o lead? Did you notice the string pattern's density being the same or more open? How about spin generation?

The MW string pattern is super dense, probably the densest ever and also hard to spin with without impeccable technique. It almost seems like Dunlop made the new Srixon Tour a more friendly Muscle Weave 200G with a low enough static weight to customize with lead.

I don't find it too hard to impart spin with my MW200g but yes it's a dense string bed...I don't think I've ever played with a rcquet that gives more precise directional control than the MW200g.

 

[Top Jimmy]

This looks similar to the Aerogel 4D 200. Basically played the best tennis of my life with the Aerogel 4D 200 Tour but I don't have the strength to wield that beast any longer (ended up being 12.8-.9 with overgrip, vibration dampener).

Anyone think it might be very similar? Frame looks about the same shape, comes in at a similar weight and the regular 4D 200 was 18x20 also).