Why is there no fire lighting Fed's butt?

I’m saying that we don’t need to "imply" anything. Numbers are public and clear as blue sky.
Maybe it's that simple for you. My point, however, was specifically made about people who thrive on theories that Federer completely defyies age so they can imply he is worse than Djokodal. I wasn't talking about people in their 'H2H shows who's better' phase.
 

Ledigs

Legend
"Federer, Sampras, Borg. (That) Sounds good to me, I mean, it's fanfastic. I can't believe it, you know, even though they won more Grand Slams than me". -Roger Federer, 2005.
Min. 21.00

I don’t understand the context here. He can’t believe what?
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Been an awesome rivalry. As far as numbers...

Federer and Nadal have played each other 40 times
  • Nadal leading the overall head-to-head 24–16 and in finals 14–10.
  • 20 have been on hard court (Federer leads 13-7)
  • 16 have been on clay - Nadal leads on clay (14–2) durrrr...
  • 4 have been on grass - Federer leads on grass (3–1)
  • 14 matches have been in majors with Nadal leading 10–4.
    • Nadal leads 6–0 at the French Open
    • Nadal leads 3–1 at the Australian Open
    • Federer leads 3–1 at Wimbledon
    • They never met at the US Open.
 

TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
Here is the painful truth: while a part of Fed no doubt loves the game and is doing this comeback out of passion, the larger reason he’s mounting a comeback is because his fat sponsorship contracts almost certainly pay ALOT more if he isn’t retired.
Deluded. His sponsorship with Uniqlo was obviously sealed under the pretense he would not be playing for another decade. And apart from private investments, his biggest money maker atm is On shoes of which he owns 3%.

The idea Fed is coming back for financial reasons is comical.
 

Ledigs

Legend
Been an awesome rivalry. As far as numbers...

Federer and Nadal have played each other 40 times
  • Nadal leading the overall head-to-head 24–16 and in finals 14–10.
  • 20 have been on hard court (Federer leads 13-7)
  • 16 have been on clay - Nadal leads on clay (14–2) durrrr...
  • 4 have been on grass - Federer leads on grass (3–1)
  • 14 matches have been in majors with Nadal leading 10–4.
    • Nadal leads 6–0 at the French Open
    • Nadal leads 3–1 at the Australian Open
    • Federer leads 3–1 at Wimbledon
    • They never met at the US Open.
Your subsections don’t add up tO 24-16?
 

vex

Legend
Deluded. His sponsorship with Uniqlo was obviously sealed under the pretense he would not be playing for another decade. And apart from private investments, his biggest money maker atm is On shoes of which he owns 3%.

The idea Fed is coming back for financial reasons is comical.
Hell no lol. Uniqlo was not paying him that money to sit on a beach. Nike read the writing on the wall and walked
 

TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
Hell no lol. Uniqlo was not paying him that money to sit on a beach. Nike read the writing on the wall and walked
Lol. Uniqlo signed a $300million deal with Fed in 2018. The deal goes until 2028. I’m pretty sure they figured he wouldn’t be playing on tour then.
 

vex

Legend
Lol. Uniqlo signed a $300million deal with Fed in 2018. The deal goes until 2028. I’m pretty sure they figured he wouldn’t be playing on tour then.
That deal was about building thier brand awareness RIGHT NOW. The second half of that deal was just the price of doing business with Fed. That’s why Nike walked. Uniqlo didn’t sign that deal and say alright buddy, it’s been a good career, feel free to hit the beach any time you want. Representations were undoubtedly made about how long he was committed to playing. He’s just living up to his commitments now
 

TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
That deal was about building thier brand awareness RIGHT NOW. The second half of that deal was just the price of doing business with Fed. That’s why Nike walked.
Lol yea, cuz nobody knew what Uniqlo was before 2018. The idea Fed is coming back for money/not to lose sponsorships he has contracts with is truly deluded. There’s no other way to slice it.
 
That deal was about building thier brand awareness RIGHT NOW. The second half of that deal was just the price of doing business with Fed. That’s why Nike walked. Uniqlo didn’t sign that deal and say alright buddy, it’s been a good career, feel free to hit the beach any time you want. Representations were undoubtedly made about how long he was committed to playing. He’s just living up to his commitments now
Are you a part of Uniqlo's top management or their legal team?
 

vex

Legend
Lol yea, cuz nobody knew what Uniqlo was before 2018 lmao. The idea Fed is coming back for money/not to lose sponsorships he has contracts with is truly deluded. There’s no other way to slice it.
Ok, you’re right he’s coming back because he thinks he can win a slam at age 41 with wrecked knees and a serious back problem. fed isn’t even going to make another QF in a slam
 

TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
Ok, you’re right he’s coming back because he thinks he can win a slam at age 41 with wrecked knees and a serious back problem. fed isn’t even going to make another QF in a slam
He’s coming back to give it one more go. To see if it’s feasible. Try to wrap your head around the fact all Big 3 member LOVE playing Tennis and will do whatever they can to go out on their own terms.
 

vex

Legend
He’s coming back to give it one more go. To see if it’s feasible. Try to wrap your head around the fact all Big 3 member LOVE playing Tennis and will do whatever they can to go out on their own terms.
I don’t doubt that. I just think there are other considerations as well
 

Federer_pilon

Professional
That’s because Federer is actually honest about being injured unlike a certain Spanish tennis player who constantly fakes injuries and magically recovers during the clay season.

I guess he didn't recover in time to play Monte Carlo and Barcelona? He purposely skipped 2 of his most successful tournaments.
 

Federer_pilon

Professional
Federer would have won plenty of Slams in his thirties if he faced same competition Nadal is facing. He was quite a good player till the age of 38. It is too much to expect 40+ yo to win Slams now.

When he was in his thirties, he still had to face Nadal and Djokovic in slams. More often than not, he couldn't beat them.
 

Thetouch

Professional
Federer could have easily been at 25 slams by now had he matured and been more stable in 2001/2002/2003, there were great opportunities for him to capture titles at the AO, Wimbledon, US or maybe even the French Open. He should have won Wimbledon 2002 and the US Open 2003 already. And he could have also been more successfull between 2011 and 2016. I sometimes wonder what if he had hired Becker instead of Edberg, would that have made a difference?
 

initialize

Hall of Fame
Not relevant if he can't beat Djokovic and Nadal though.
You’re slow if you think that. Fed has beaten Nadal nearly every time after 2014 (yes, he should have switched to a bigger racket earlier in his career to take care of the Nadal problem) and the H2H between him and Djokovic is very, very marginal. In fact it took until 2015 I believe for Djokovic to finally gain the slight advantage by capitalizing on Fed’s age
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
Fed's had fewer injuries but the injuries he has had are more severe.

That, or Federer doesn't want to grind his body into dust for more slams like Nadal is
 

Federer_pilon

Professional
You’re slow if you think that. Fed has beaten Nadal nearly every time after 2014 (yes, he should have switched to a bigger racket earlier in his career to take care of the Nadal problem) and the H2H between him and Djokovic is very, very marginal. In fact it took until 2015 I believe for Djokovic to finally gain the slight advantage by capitalizing on Fed’s age


So for his H2H with Nadal you want to look at after 2014 but with Djokovic you want before 2015? How much more do you want to twist the narrative to make Fed look better? lol
Why not look at before 2015 against both players? He surely was a better player before 2015 than after, wasn't he?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
We all know how good is "Roger"

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Not much you can do when you're 5-6 years older. Imagibe how much Nadal would have been owned if he'd been in Fed's place.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
So called GOAT couldn't beat Federer after 2014 on a hard courts or grass....
I don’t understand this narrative and the cut off. Whats 2014 cut off?
They met once in 2015
0 times in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022
2017 was the only year Fed beat Rafa everytime they met.
2018 its 2-1 Fed (not lopsided).
 

Federer_pilon

Professional
So called GOAT couldn't beat Federer after 2014 on a hard courts or grass....

Fed didn't play tennis before 2014? lol
Fed's combined H2H against Djokovic and Nadal in slams is 10-21. Take a deep breath and let that sink in.
Before 2014: 8-14 (a little bit less embarrassing I guess)
2014 and after: 2-7
 
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Robert F

Hall of Fame
Would love for Fed to make another good run at a slam or at a tour.
But if that isn't in his cards, so be it. As others said--knee, age, time off tour all working against him. So it might be tough for him to be competitive.

But if he can't be competitive, and his ranking isn't that high, is he going to do a farewell tour on the challenger circuit? Does he get wildcards to all the key events?
I'd almost prefer he retire at Basel then do a year of wild cards trying to keep afloat.
 

initialize

Hall of Fame
I don’t understand this narrative and the cut off. Whats 2014 cut off?
They met once in 2015
0 times in 2016, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022
2017 was the only year Fed beat Rafa everytime they met.
2018 its 2-1 Fed (not lopsided).
2014 was when Fed switched rackets. Once he got used to that racket it was all over for Nadal
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
2014 was when Fed switched rackets. Once he got used to that racket it was all over for Nadal
Its all part of the sport. Fact is that a teenage Rafa dominated Fed at his peak and Fed had ONE good year against Rafa throughout his career and this doesn’t mean Rafa is better than Fed. It just means he beat him when it mattered most over their entite careers across surfaces.
 

initialize

Hall of Fame
After 2014, he was 0-5 against Djokovic at slams. I guess you wanted him to play with the new racquet against Nadal and switch back to the old one against Djokovic?
I mean, maybe not a bad idea, who knows. And we all know Djokovic is a much better player than Nadal on anything other than clay so he was bound to give Fed more problems, especially once Fed got older
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
With the juiced up freak continuing to pile up slam after slam, Laver's legacy is also in serious jeopardy. I simply cannot understand why Rocket isn't working harder to win more slams. It's especially mind-boggling to see he hasn't entered this year's Wimbledon: on his favorite surface, and with all the bans and defections, the upcoming edition was a perfect opportunity for the Australian to increase his tally and stop the disproportionate Mallorcan from stealing his distinction as the last man to win the CYGS. Thumbs down, Rod! Your lack of competitive fire is truly revolting.
 

initialize

Hall of Fame
Its all part of the sport. Fact is that a teenage Rafa dominated Fed at his peak and Fed had ONE good year against Rafa throughout his career and this doesn’t mean Rafa is better than Fed. It just means he beat him when it mattered most over their entite careers across surfaces.
True. People throw the H2H against Fed vs Nadal but forget Fed was number 1 for the majority of that time during Fed’s peak, while Nadal was usually number 2. Which further proves Fed was overall the better player on the majority of surfaces and tournaments and against other players
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
True. People throw the H2H against Fed vs Nadal but forget Fed was number 1 for the majority of that time during Fed’s peak, while Nadal was usually number 2. Which further proves Fed was overall the better player on the majority of surfaces and tournaments and against other players
For those few years yes, overall no.
 
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