Why Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao and $200 million

Gonzalito17

Banned
Floyd Mayweather is still, STILL, trying to duck Manny Pacquiao despite the fact he can earn over $200 million to fight the guy he called a "midget amateur" twice.

Mayweather knows the Pacquiao fight is a guaranteed loss and to fight another handpicked set up patsy for $30 million will be a guaranteed choreographed win.
 
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Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
He's never mouthed a prospective date against Pacman, ever, but he did this time. I hope it'll happen. It's really up to Showtime and HBO to iron it out. Division (55 - 45 or even a 60 - 40, however, Les Monves should be going for 50 -50 imo) of money shouldn't be a problem.

All in all, I think Pacman is not in his prime anymore and Money should be able to exploit it to his full benefit. If they did it 5 years ago, Money is gonna kiss the canvass.

In conclusion, it's going to be like a Manny Pacquiao-Timothy Bradley ''1'' decision, like we are all watching something else!:-| Fixed!
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I hope it happens as well. It is still the fight and no other fight can come close in terms of interest or money.

Recent Mayweather fights have almost sent me to sleep and Pacquaio's last fight wasn't anything special.

I'm still dreading that Mayweather wont fight Khan or Pacquaio in May.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Another nice one sided article.

A guaranteed loss. lol.

Then why won't he fight Pacquiao when he can make $200 million to fight him twice?

I'll answer: Because he knows all of his fights since 2006 have been scripted sparring sessions and he doesn't want a real fight against the best fighter he's ever had to face, even if it pays him $200 million.

TWO HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS. This coward is ducking $200 million. FACT.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
You have to understand the Al Haymon factor into the equation. Haymon wants to control the sport and he can't do it without a star to sell and use as his leverage. Floyd is his star albeit a counterfeit star. Once Floyd loses Haymon loses all his power.

Pacquiao lost and became more intriguing. Pac is a true star, beloved globally like Federer. Floyd is just a pretender, with the backing of the establishment. Once he loses it's all over for him and Haymon. This is why they will not fight Pacquiao.
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
On the other hand, Rocky Marciano's record is within reach, why would Money want to compromise that, he's got all the money already. He can do all the dancing with the stars later and earn much more the way Pretty Boy is doing right now.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Then why won't he fight Pacquiao when he can make $200 million to fight him twice?

I'll answer: Because he knows all of his fights since 2006 have been scripted sparring sessions and he doesn't want a real fight against the best fighter he's ever had to face, even if it pays him $200 million.

TWO HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS. This coward is ducking $200 million. FACT.

I can understand fear of the loss. I just don't think it would be a guaranteed loss, especially not now. I do agree with a lot of the article because this fight definitely should have happened.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Floyd's own father said in a radio interview that he fears for his son's life if he fights Pacqauio. Floyd even admitted to Bob Costas on live TV he fears losing his health and ending up like Ali at the hands of Pacquiao. He really said this, after Costas was pressuring him to just do the fight for the fans they really want to see it. Floyd has shown massive fear. And when a fighter shows fear so clearly, he has no chance to win. NO CHANCE. And his actions of ducking and excuse making prove he truly knows he can't win this fight and will take a beating just like Hatton Oscar and Cotto, who he struggled with.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Floyd's style is set up for an orthodox righthander who throws one or two pot shots. Pacquiao is a lefty who throws a blizzard of unpredictable punches, sometimes in combinations of 5-10 punches. Floyd "locks up" on defense when he's attacked. And he's never seen a guy who throws blinding combos from the lefty stance like Pacquiao. Plus, Pacquiao has major power, though it may be slipping now at 36, he can still hurt people - Algieri went down six times in Nov. Pacquiao is a total nightmare for Floyd, he would have killed Floyd in 2010. Now with his power and speed slightly faded, Pacquiao is not as lethal as he was in 2009-2011 but he is still all wrong for Floyd.

Notice how all of Floyd's opponents sit back and try to box and just throw one or two shots at him, which are easy to see and defend. All his fights look like sparring sessions for the money fighter to win and not get hurt. But 38 yr old Mosley hit Floyd and almost knocked him out by accident, and then barely did anything the rest of the fight.

Floyd's a hoax. The educated eye can see it. To duck $200 million is the smoking gun.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
You have to see the videos where Floyd freaks out, whining about losing his health, walking with a limp for rest of his life, fear of ending up like Ali, saying it's not about $ anymore it's about my health, and he looks and sounds like a 14 yr old punk doing it. Plenty of video evidence out there. I'll post a link later.
 

T1000

Legend
Well sorry that my uneducated eye cannot see that Manny Pacquaio would beat this hoax as easy as you are making out.


Don't feed the idiot dude he's completely clueless. Everyone with half a brain knows arum is the reason this never happened. Now Floyd is on showtime manny does HBO and there's no way those two will ever work together.

Gonzo uses the worst sources it's comical. Random fringe conspiracy theory sites that say they have proof Floyd fixes every fight but they never actually show the proof just random bs speculation and one sided articles that ignore all the facts and spin anti Floyd opinions into Floyd is ducking manny not the other way around.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Floyd Mayweather is still, STILL, trying to duck Manny Pacquiao despite the fact he can earn over $200 million to fight the guy he called a "midget amateur" twice.

Mayweather knows the Pacquiao fight is a guaranteed loss and to fight another handpicked set up patsy for $30 million will be a guaranteed choreographed win.

http://ringobserver.com/articles/why-haymon-and-floyd-must-duck-pacquiao-forever

$200 mil,,,,,,,?? I thought that kind of money was only available in heavy weight ?? and probably Don King will steal it all anyway, that is probably why Floyd is ducking it........
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Don't feed the idiot dude he's completely clueless. Everyone with half a brain knows arum is the reason this never happened. Now Floyd is on showtime manny does HBO and there's no way those two will ever work together.

Gonzo uses the worst sources it's comical. Random fringe conspiracy theory sites that say they have proof Floyd fixes every fight but they never actually show the proof just random bs speculation and one sided articles that ignore all the facts and spin anti Floyd opinions into Floyd is ducking manny not the other way around.

You're uninformed. Floyd's fights vs. Maidana and Guerrero lost millions for Showtime, the Canelo fight made $ because Canelo saved the show with his huge popularity. CBS CEO Les Moonves has given Floyd and Haymon ultimatums to fight Pacquiao. That's major pressure. Moonves wants to recoup the huge investment in Floyd which has been losing millions lately. Bob Arum says HBO and Showtime already have a preliminary agreement to do the fight together like they did Lewis-Tyson together in 2002. Everybody is waiting for Floyd to stop ducking. Floyd has an inventory of excuses/reasons he keeps using over and over to duck the fight, which he knows is a guaranteed loss. But like Picasso said. "We have a lot of reasons but only one real one." Floyd's real reason/excuse is he knows he can't handle Pacquiao.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
$200 mil,,,,,,,?? I thought that kind of money was only available in heavy weight ?? and probably Don King will steal it all anyway, that is probably why Floyd is ducking it........

Yep. It's outrageous. He can make $125 million for the first fight with Pacquiao and even more for a rematch. Freddie Roach said he would like there to be a trilogy. $200 million is even a lowball estimate to how much Floyd can make.

By ducking this amount of money, there can be only one logical conclusion: Floyd knows he's not equipped to handle Pacquiao and it will be a guaranteed loss, and he wants his sugar daddy Al Haymon to manipulate him more guaranteed wins.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
This is confusing.

If there's so much money and public interest why doesn't this fight happen?

I don't believe Floyd is ducking. Even if he was, he would swallow a loss for $100 million.

Money trumps ego.
 
the reason the fight is not coming is not floyd or manny but that senile old man bob arum. arum hates mayweather so much that he rather makes no money than giving floyd a big payday.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
personally i don't think manny would have ever beaten floyd. i think floyd's obnoxious antics obscure just how good a fighter he is. he's faster than manny and more technically skilled, i see manny throwing a whirlwind of shots at mayweather, landing minimally, and getting pot-shotted to death in a decision.

if you want to see floyd lose have him drop down and fight rigondeaux.
 

T1000

Legend
You're uninformed. Floyd's fights vs. Maidana and Guerrero lost millions for Showtime, the Canelo fight made $ because Canelo saved the show with his huge popularity. CBS CEO Les Moonves has given Floyd and Haymon ultimatums to fight Pacquiao. That's major pressure. Moonves wants to recoup the huge investment in Floyd which has been losing millions lately. Bob Arum says HBO and Showtime already have a preliminary agreement to do the fight together like they did Lewis-Tyson together in 2002. Everybody is waiting for Floyd to stop ducking. Floyd has an inventory of excuses/reasons he keeps using over and over to duck the fight, which he knows is a guaranteed loss. But like Picasso said. "We have a lot of reasons but only one real one." Floyd's real reason/excuse is he knows he can't handle Pacquiao.

manny and arum ducked, maybe try getting your facts right for once instead of reposting ******** opinions from blog sites and trying to pass it off as fact

This is confusing.

If there's so much money and public interest why doesn't this fight happen?

I don't believe Floyd is ducking. Even if he was, he would swallow a loss for $100 million.

Money trumps ego.

Floyd announces he is fighting May 2 (because he fights that weekend almost every year since 2007) and Bob Arum says Pacquiao can't fight on that date because it would be disrespectful to Mexicans.

“The only Mexican in the group (who may battle on 5/2) is Canelo Alvarez. And to poach on that date, which is a Mexican holiday, by non-Mexicans, shows a terrible disrespect for the Mexican people, both those living in Mexico and those living in the United States. And anybody who does the poaching ought to be ashamed of themselves. That goes for hotels and that goes for fighters and that goes for any of us.”

Nevermind the fact that Pacquiao fought Mosley that weekend in 2011. Nevermind the fact that Floyd previously invited Pacquiao to fight him that weekend in 2012, and Arum delivered a plethora of excuses:

-Pacquiao's cut from 6 months ago still needs to heal
-We're busy focusing on Marquez IV
-This fight cannot take place at MGM Grand
-Floyd can't be trashtalking Pacquiao while he's getting into politics
-Marquez, Bradley, Rios, and Alvarado are the only options
-We must construct a 100k seat stadium in the desert to make this fight
-Floyd is going to be in jail on May 5

"My mission is to go over to the Philippines and talk about these four guys," Arum said. "If Manny feels he wants to go in May, he will tell me. I want to make sure Manny's cuts are healed. We won't fall under this kind of pressure. June is much more likely for Manny's fight, not May."

"What if they fought and Manny started bleeding on the first punch? I don't know if Manny is available to fight in May. I have no idea. I haven't talked to him; I haven't seen him. Seems to me, June is more likely based on what his plastic surgeon said."

"I don't even know if Mayweather will be licensed [by the Nevada State Athletic Commission] before he serves his time," Arum said.

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns...er-may-2-2015/

cliffs
-arum and manny are ducking floyd and have the ENTIRE time

the reason the fight is not coming is not floyd or manny but that senile old man bob arum. arum hates mayweather so much that he rather makes no money than giving floyd a big payday.

this guy gets it
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
2 more fights left in Mayweather's contract, just perfect for Money vs Pacman AND Money vs Pacman II. $200m plus another $200m... Not too hard to fathom. Oh please, make the fight happen!:-|
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
This is confusing.

If there's so much money and public interest why doesn't this fight happen?

I don't believe Floyd is ducking. Even if he was, he would swallow a loss for $100 million.

Money trumps ego.

Not so. Floyd wants guaranteed wins, so he can keep on making his $30 million then build his brand after boxing. A loss ends the reality show fraud. Floyd wants Pacquiao to just go away so he and Haymon can keep on winning their easy "fights" like the Harlem Globetrotters or WWE. Floyd's a fraud and Pacquiao will end the charade.

Floyd saw how Pacquiao slaughtered Cotto, Oscar and Hatton and he knows he will get the same beating. Floyd struggled with those 3, Pac killed them.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
5 years too late. I wish Pacman wouldn't even consider it. He should just continue to fight in Macau and cash his easy $20mil (no taxes) paydays. He shouldn't help Mayweather clear the 'ducker' label from his legacy.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
WCA, Pacquiao was unbeatable back in 09-10-11, Floyd would have been slaughtered just like Oscar Hatton and Cotto were. Just too many punches, too much power, too much creativity, too much footwork, Floyd looks good when his HANDPICKED opponent just stands there and plods and throws one or two shots.

Floyd Mayweather = Harlem Globetrotters.
Floyd Mayweather's handpicked opponents = Washington Generals.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Fraudweather actually tried to fight Hatton's brother in 2010 but HBO said hell no. Floyd actually tried to rematch Hatton. Haymon called Hatton's father but was told that they were already in negotiations for the Pacquiao fight, which of course was later signed. Floyd already tried the Ricky Hatton rematch. What a classic handpicker.
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
WCA, Pacquiao was unbeatable back in 09-10-11, Floyd would have been slaughtered just like Oscar Hatton and Cotto were. Just too many punches, too much power, too much creativity, too much footwork, Floyd looks good when his HANDPICKED opponent just stands there and plods and throws one or two shots.

Floyd Mayweather = Harlem Globetrotters.
Floyd Mayweather's handpicked opponents = Washington Generals.

Also too many roids
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Floyd Mayweather is still, STILL, trying to duck Manny Pacquiao despite the fact he can earn over $200 million to fight the guy he called a "midget amateur" twice.

Mayweather knows the Pacquiao fight is a guaranteed loss and to fight another handpicked set up patsy for $30 million will be a guaranteed choreographed win.

http://ringobserver.com/articles/why-haymon-and-floyd-must-duck-pacquiao-forever

Did you write this under the influence? Pacquiao is the shadow of the shadow of the boxer he used to remind you of. Why would Mayweather duck him? He knows this is his retirement payoff. By stalling, he is hyping it up as a good showman is supposed to. As a great salesman ought to. There is absolutely nothing for Floyd to fear.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
He already said why in his previous post. Floyd Mayweather is being a promoter and a salesman. He does the whole WWE thing well, maybe better than any boxer in history.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
what trips me out is how Pacquiao has been adopted as the great white hope for so many.

oh well, beggars can't be choosers...
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Floyd is great at picking safe opponents. And he's great at avoiding the ones who can beat him. Look at that video again, he's crying and whining like a spoiled brat 14 yr old. True champions don't act like that. And there are several other videos of Floyd showing his true bitc7 colors when being questioned about facing certain beasts that he was afraid of. But now Mayweather is sheltered from tough questions by his protectors, they learned how unhinged he becomes in the face of tough questions about fighters he doesn't want to fight. They don't call him "Fraud Gayweather" for nothing.
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
Money may not be able to weather his next opponent, unless he hand-picks some punching bags in his penultimate and ultimate fights!:-|

I think he'll elect to protect his unbeaten record and equal Rocky Marciano's 49!

Maybe he is targeting win number 50! By that time, he would not care who he sidesteps in order to reach the zenith. Good job duckweather.:-|
 
personally i don't think manny would have ever beaten floyd. i think floyd's obnoxious antics obscure just how good a fighter he is. he's faster than manny and more technically skilled, i see manny throwing a whirlwind of shots at mayweather, landing minimally, and getting pot-shotted to death in a decision.

if you want to see floyd lose have him drop down and fight rigondeaux.

Floyd has already lost atleast 2 fights on points but the fights were always going to be his on points, PAC would win this fight on points because that would be better for the $$$ men who want rematches that's why he is ducking him he knows he needs to KO pacquiao and he doesn't think he can.
 

T1000

Legend
I love how the mayweather haters literally haver zero facts to back up anything they say and just regurgitate the same old bs excuses "oh he sounds scared in this video I can tell CHECKMATE" "Floyd hand picks his opponents because he beat them all so that's how I know they're handpicked" "he's ducking pac because the fight hasn't happened none of it is pac or arums fault"

Nevermind the fact that it's well known srum hates mayweather
Nevermind that arum is scum and the white don king
Nevermind that arum ducked mayweather and you can check the last page for proof (actual proof not me being a professional psychologist like gonzo and determining what feeling is in mayweathers voice)

Keep hating on mayweather while your boy has scum for a promoter that ducks the biggest fight he can make and couldn't even decisively beat Marquez one time and needed the judges to completely f up the decisions
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Arum is trying to give Floyd the biggest payday of his life.
Floyd is the one who hates Arum, he used to love Arum until 2006 - that's when Arum tried to sacrifice Floyd to fight Margarito. That is what caused Floyd to hate Arum.

It's not that we hate Floyd. We're telling the truth, he wants easy fights for easy money. Floyd even said this on All Access: 'I want my team to keep handpicking easy fights for me to steal more money from the fans."

yes he really said this.

"Truth is hate to those who hate the truth."
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Arum has brought in CBS CEO to pressure Floyd to fight Pacquiao, to recoup losses of millions in Floyd's last 3 out of 4 fights. Arum wants the fight. Shame on you t1000 for your ignorance and lack of knowledge about this situation of Floyd Mayweather ducking a $200 payday to fight Pacquiao. "Stupidity has no cure."
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
Pacquiao agrees terms for Mayweather fight in May

Dan Rafael | ESPN.com
January 14, 2015
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Manny Pacquiao has agreed to drug testing by the US Anti-Doping Agency © Getty Images


The fight the world has wanted to see for the better part of six years - a long-awaited summit meeting between welterweight champions Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao, the two top boxers in the world - is not done, but it has cleared a major hurdle.


Pacquiao and Top Rank, his promoter, have agreed to terms for a May 2 bout, Top Rank vice president Carl Moretti told ESPN on Tuesday night, although Mayweather has not yet agreed to terms and it remains to be seen if he will.


"Top Rank and Manny have agreed to the terms on our side. I don't know about the other side," Moretti said.


Nobody from Mayweather's camp could be reached for comment. Yahoo! Sports initially reported the development.



Top Rank chairman Bob Arum has been negotiating the bout for the past couple of months through Leslie Moonves, the president of CBS, which has two fights left on a six-fight contract. CBS and subsidiary network Showtime signed Mayweather to in early 2013. Moonves, according to Arum, has been acting as a go-between in trying to hammer out Mayweather's end of the deal with adviser Al Haymon.


According to a source involved in the negotiations Pacquiao has agreed to a 40% cut of the revenue, leaving Mayweather with the remaining 60% of a fight most believe will shatter every boxing box office record, including the all-time pay-per-view buy-up record of 2.4 million [Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya], the pay-per-view revenue record of £100m [Mayweather-Canelo Alvarez] and the all-time gate takings record of £13.2m [Mayweather-Alvarez].


If the fight is finalised it would take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Moretti said. Mayweather has had his last 10 fights there and Pacquiao has had five of his last seven bouts there.


Top Rank initially wanted to go in June to leave May 2 open for another major fight it is trying to finalize - middleweight champion Miguel Cotto against former junior middleweight titlist Alvarez, a date Alvarez desperately wants to fight on because it is Cinco de Mayo weekend - a Mexico-related celebration - and he is Mexico's most popular active fighter.
But Top Rank gave in on the date, one which Mayweather has insisted on, along with a host of other aspects of the fight.


The sides are so far along that they have drafted contracts, according to the Pacquiao side. While the Pacquiao camp agreed to terms, the attorneys on Mayweather's side indicated that there were still open issues, although what they are is not clear, according to a source.

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Floyd Mayweather Jr has not yet agreed terms © Getty Images





According to the Pacquiao side, everything was agreed to, including the gloves and drug testing. As far as the gloves go, each fighter would be able to select their own brand of eight-ounce gloves. Mayweather typically wears Grant gloves and Pacquiao fights in Cleto Reyes.


The drug testing protocol was the one open item that caused the fight to fall apart when it was first negotiated in late 2009 and early 2010.



Mayweather wanted Pacquiao to submit to random Olympic-style drug testing and he declined to do the kind of testing Mayweather (47-0, 26 KOs), who turns 38 in February, wanted.


However, Moretti said that Pacquiao (57-5-2, 38 KOs), 36, who has subjected himself [and his opponents] to random testing by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association for his recent bouts, has gone so far as to agree to use the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which has randomly tested Mayweather [and his opponents] for years.


"I think that Manny agreed to USADA testing shows you his eagerness to make this fight," Moretti said.


Mayweather and Pacquiao have been on a collision course since late 2009. That is when Mayweather ended a nearly two-year retirement to easily outpoint Juan Manuel Marquez in September 2009 and two months later Pacquiao knocked out Miguel Cotto in the 12th round to win a welterweight title. Everything had been agreed to but the drug testing, including a 50-50 revenue split.


There have been various attempts over the years to try to make the fight, but it has never been as close as it was in 2009 until now.


Back then, Mayweather and Pacquiao were both associated with HBO, even though neither was under contract. In early 2013, Mayweather signed his contract with CBS/Showtime and still has two fights remaining with guarantees of at least $32m (£21m) per fight while Pacquiao is now under contract to HBO/Time Warner. Still, the television networks are not an impediment to a deal.


Both have said that they are willing to work together for what would be a joint pay-per-view broadcast, similar to what they did for another fight that had been demanded by the public for years - the 2002 heavyweight championship fight between then-champion Lennox Lewis, who was under contract to HBO, and Mike Tyson, who was with Showtime.
 

Rubens

Hall of Fame
I do agree that Floyd is ducking Manny. He's very risk-aversive in his choice of opponents. It's too bad for him, because I believe that if he'd actually win the fight. He just has to be willing to take the risk. From what we've seen so far, he'll keep ducking.
 

T1000

Legend
Next showtime fight is jan 17 so Floyd will prob announce (if he agrees and if arum isn't lying for once) the fight then
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
Talks for a potential May 2 showdown between middleweight champion Miguel Cotto (above) and former junior middleweight titlist Canelo Alvarez have been called off.

Likely means, it's gonna be a Mayweather-Cotto II.:-|
 

THE FIGHTER

Hall of Fame
what trips me out is how Pacquiao has been adopted as the great white hope for so many.

oh well, beggars can't be choosers...

when two top athletes, in this case two minority athletes, do well, I think it's only right to go with the person who isn't an asanine wife-beating bigot.
 
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Deleted member 688153

Guest
when two top athletes, in this case two minority athletes, do well, I think it's only right to go with the person who isn't an asanine wife-beating bigot.

Pretty much this.
Fraud would get rekt, so he makes excuses. :roll:
 

Vcore89

Talk Tennis Guru
Money might want to pocket the full $200 million all by himself.:-|

Come on, Pacman, make this a charitable event.:wink:
 
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