Will Serena retire no.1?

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Golden

Guest
At the rate she's going, I don't think anybody can really top her. Sharapova is too spotty at this point, Halep isn't no.1 material, and Azarenka is still trying to get back from injury. Serena doesn't look like she's giving it up soon.

Thoughts?
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Halep is not a number 1 material, are you serious ?!

It's the absurd theory of "what hasn't happened yet can not happen at all". On current form, Halep is much closer to number 1 material than Azarenka. But because Azarenka has been number 1 before, people imagine that it's obvious she'll become number 1 again.
 

Man of steel

Hall of Fame
Depends how fast she declines. If she is still healthy and playing a high level of tennis till after olymipics then yes. Her body may start to deteriorate in 1-3 years time. It just depends on father time and how well she plays leading up to the retirement.
I don't see her playing the next 12 slams. Maybe 8 which is 2 years. But by 2017 she'll probably retire. Health permitting.
1 bad injury and she'll be done.
 

robbo1970

Hall of Fame
In answer to the question raised, I am going to say no.

I think she would want to retire as number 1, but I think for a lot of players they don't always know it's time to retire until they slip from that top spot.

I think the bigger question is whether she would carry on if she did stop winning slams and significant tournaments.

I think she's a fantastic champion, but I do notice the turmoil she puts herself through when things aren't going her way and I do wonder if she would carry on playing just for the fun element and to still be out on the tour if she wasn't winning all the time.

I think it depends how much she is still in love with the game.

Federer's slam count has dropped off and his chances of winning more are not as clear cut as they were a few years ago, but he still loves the game and loves playing. I think it's whether Serena feels the same.
 
G

Golden

Guest
Halep is not a number 1 material, are you serious ?!

She's too spotty. She doesn't have a plan b, and her serve is a bit too weak. She's major material, definitely, but she doesn't have the fire for number 1, while Serena is playing at least.
 

Earnest One

Semi-Pro
She ll never have big serve 'cause she is too short

I have her listed as 5' 6" (1.68 meters). That's as tall as Henin (5' 6" 167 m). Indeed, assuming this is true, then she is slightly taller than Henin.

Look here:

http://www.ontennis.com/player/justine-henin

"Despite her relatively small size, Henin has an extremely powerful serve, which has been measured at a top speed of 124 mph [2005 Charleston]. Her average first serve speed in the 2007 US Open semi-final [first set] was 107 MPH - the same as her opponent, Venus Williams (nine inches taller than Henin), who holds the world record for the fastest serve in a main draw Tour (or Grand Slam) event. Henin's serve frequently features in the top 10 of the 'Women's Serve Speed Leaders' list, produced at every Grand Slam event throughout the year. In the 2007 US Open list, Henin's 117 mph serve was the eighth fastest recorded at the tournament, behind Sam Stosur's (joint-ranked at no.5 on the list) 118 mph serve. Venus Williams recorded the fastest serve at the tournament, measured at 129 mph / 207 km/h, a world record at a Grand Slam tournament."

What is the problem, now?
 

Earnest One

Semi-Pro
She's too spotty. She doesn't have a plan b, and her serve is a bit too weak. She's major material, definitely, but she doesn't have the fire for number 1, while Serena is playing at least.

I agree--but with an improved serve, I think she's the best candidate for overtaking Serena; if Halep improves, then Serena's reign as #1 may be short-lived.

Serena is playing more now. She is older--and probably kicking herself for not fully committing to tennis earlier as she is now close to many records. An injury here or there and she will really struggle.

In short, I do NOT think she will retire #1 UNLESS she retires right after winning a major (in the next year--up till the next AO) and/or Halep (and a few others) drop off the map
 

AngieB

Banned
There appears to be a great deal of #hype surrounding #SimonaHalep and even comparisons to #JustineHenin-Hardenne, yet, #Simona hasn't won #ONE grand slam event. We've seen this type of hype before with Caroline Wozniacki, etc.

#Simona and #Eugenie prove that popularity doesn't translate into grand slam wins. If you don't have the mentality or game, you'll reach the summit of professional tennis: grand slam wins.

It's very much a possibility that one day #Simona will be a slamless #1.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB
 

daniel42

Rookie
Azarenka was the only one I've seen play Serena and not fold when Serena is on. I saw her come back one set down in Cincinnati and win it!
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Azarenka was the only one I've seen play Serena and not fold when Serena is on. I saw her come back one set down in Cincinnati and win it!

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#Montreal
 
Azarenka was the only one I've seen play Serena and not fold when Serena is on. I saw her come back one set down in Cincinnati and win it!

You know Henin once beat Serena in three straight Slams, right? Serena won precisely one set out of seven in those matches.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
There appears to be a great deal of #hype surrounding #SimonaHalep and even comparisons to #JustineHenin-Hardenne, yet, #Simona hasn't won #ONE grand slam event. We've seen this type of hype before with Caroline Wozniacki, etc.

#Simona and #Eugenie prove that popularity doesn't translate into grand slam wins. If you don't have the mentality or game, you'll reach the summit of professional tennis: grand slam wins.

It's very much a possibility that one day #Simona will be a slamless #1.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB

Yes, to be honest - and as a Halep fan - I think it's much more likely that she'll become number 1 at some point than it is for her to win a major. I know most people would say the opposite, but I think she's a regular performer on the tour (like Wozniacki during her best years) but not resilient enough, in my view, to win a Slam where all the best players are in contention and have extra motivation.
 

Vanhool

Hall of Fame
If she sustains a serious injury, then yes. She's too old to stage another comeback.

If she passes Graf's slam count and is still number 1, then probably (unless she has reached some miraculous goat level and goes after Court, fulfillng nadalagassi's highly improbable prophesy).

I don't see it happening, though. She has said she will play the Olympics. Presumably she would retire at the US Open next year, or go for another year if she feels good. If she's still sitting at 19 or 20, I think she'll retire regardless of ranking.

Number 1 has never been her goal. She wants to win slams. She will enter a slam hobbled, stand on the baseline and take her chances. If she has set a goal for herself (graf or court's record) and she is very close to achieving it, and she believes she can still contend, then I believe she would be willing to bear some painful results to get there. If she thinks her chances are poor, I don't see her sticking around like Venus. She is way too competitive and hates losing too much to do it just for fun. Doubles maybe.

People go on like she is unstoppable but there is something wrong with her, in my opinion. Her serve has forsaken her. It's no longer the goat serve of 2012 and 2013. Why? I don't know. She has recurring back problems, that is a known issue that has affected it in the last few years at times. She had some kind of knee problem recently, which is always a concern given her history. Here is my big worry: she served great in the AO final and she said something that alarmed me after she won. Something about going for it on her serve, no need to save her shoulder. If she has a shoulder problem, look out. She can still win lots of matches without the serve (for example the YEC), but that serve is her "get out of jail free" card. I wonder if she is deliberately playing without her serve to save her shoulder or decrease her reliance on it, or if it has already abandoned her and just shows up once in a while on a good day when all three old age issues are at bay.
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Her focus is the majors, and I believe she would be more than satisfied to retire raising the hardware of such events, rather than a ranking.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
People go on like she is unstoppable but there is something wrong with her, in my opinion. Her serve has forsaken her. It's no longer the goat serve of 2012 and 2013. Why? I don't know. She has recurring back problems, that is a known issue that has affected it in the last few years at times. She had some kind of knee problem recently, which is always a concern given her history. Here is my big worry: she served great in the AO final and she said something that alarmed me after she won. Something about going for it on her serve, no need to save her shoulder. If she has a shoulder problem, look out. She can still win lots of matches without the serve (for example the YEC), but that serve is her "get out of jail free" card. I wonder if she is deliberately playing without her serve to save her shoulder or decrease her reliance on it, or if it has already abandoned her and just shows up once in a while on a good day when all three old age issues are at bay.

Well, she has been unstoppable. Serena hasn't lost this year has she? Despite playing like crapp for the most part, when pushed, she can elevate her game, while her opponent wilts in the heat of the moment. Even our beloved Sugarpova is no longer a threat.

There is no WTA player on tour that can consistently challenge Serena. The up and coming players have proven to be second rate. Serena is safe for the next 5 years with winning slams... even in mediocre health. She could play till she's forty! :cry:
 

Vanhool

Hall of Fame
Well, she has been unstoppable. Serena hasn't lost this year has she? Despite playing like crapp for the most part, when pushed, she can elevate her game, while her opponent wilts in the heat of the moment. Even our beloved Sugarpova is no longer a threat.

There is no WTA player on tour that can consistently challenge Serena. The up and coming players have proven to be second rate. Serena is safe for the next 5 years with winning slams... even in mediocre health. She could play till she's forty! :cry:

Thank you for calming me down. You know I'm her most nervous fan. You are are right, but she will go beyond forty! I am visualizing her pushing a walker around on the court and brushing cookie crumbs off her ample (sagging) bosom and still raising the trophy. So be it!
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Thank you for calming me down. You know I'm her most nervous fan. You are are right, but she will go beyond forty! I am visualizing her pushing a walker around on the court and brushing cookie crumbs off her ample (sagging) bosom and still raising the trophy. So be it!

I'm giving even money Serena takes the grand slam, vanhool. By the time the U.S Open rolls around, you'll likely need to be institutionalized for your nerves.

So rejoice brother. Just think of all those future Serena threads to be deleted! By the end of the year Serena will be holding each trophy from this year's slam tournaments atop her head with her still ample bosoms. Cameras ready! :shock:

But, come on, Serena has already won one slam. That's a good year for even Serena... especially at her old age. Anything from here on out is gravy. No pressure. Right? :)
 
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AngieB

Banned
Serena hasn't lost in singles outside of #WTA/#ITF Grand Slam events.

She lost in singles/doubles at Hopman Cup exhibition in January and her first Davis Cup loss in doubles recently. According to Serena, she's lost this year, but not officially. I think it's Serena's way of taking pressure off herself and lowering-expectations. Her history being when she does that, she rarely loses.

Lord willing and the creek don't rise. Praise be and hallelujah.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Serena hasn't lost in singles outside of #WTA/#ITF Grand Slam events.

She lost in singles/doubles at Hopman Cup exhibition in January and her first Davis Cup loss in doubles recently. According to Serena, she's lost this year, but not officially. I think it's Serena's way of taking pressure off herself and lowering-expectations. Her history being when she does that, she rarely loses.

Lord willing and the creek don't rise. Praise be and hallelujah.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB

Thanks AngieB. Thought I had read that info somewhere. Praise be and halleluyer indeed!

Big test is the French. If Serena wins that, can you imagine how fired up and motivated she will be for the remaining slams? Win the French and it will take a huge game from someone to keep Serena from winning out in the remaining slams. Just don't see anyone beating her. Shes winning and not even playing that well.
 

AngieB

Banned
Thanks AngieB. Thought I had read that info somewhere. Praise be and halleluyer indeed!

Big test is the French. If Serena wins that, can you imagine how fired up and motivated she will be for the remaining slams? Win the French and it will take a huge game from someone to keep Serena from winning out in the remaining slams. Just don't see anyone beating her. Shes winning and not even playing that well.

Serena Williams says she's indifferent to court speeds
Thursday, April 30, 2015 /by Matt Cronin

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/04/serena-williams-indifferent-court-speeds/54791/#.VUKoI5V0zIU

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Serena Williams is set to lead the field in Madrid next week and said that she isn't really aware of the difference between court speeds.

Last year, the world No. 1 lost to Petra Kvitova on Madrid in the quarterfinals but went on to capture the Rome title, crushing Sara Errani in the final. She was then stunned by Garbine Muguruza in the second round at Roland Garros.

This year, Williams most recently played on clay at Fed Cup against Italy, winning her two singles but losing in doubles in the fifth rubber.

"I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I'm never really aware of the speed of the court
," said Williams, who won Roland Garros in 2002 and 2013. "My friend Caroline [Wozniacki] always jokes with me, she's like, 'I never ask you whether the court is slow or fast.' Because I just don't know. I'm so happy just to be out there. For me it's all the same. Clay is slow, grass is fast and hard is medium, and that's just how I look at it."

(Note: I like Serena's hair up and tight. It's a classic look.)

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB
 

AngieB

Banned
Just a note. I'm looking forward to Serena returning because I am SO tired of discussing men's tennis with the males in this forum. They are so rude to women here.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB
 
I have her listed as 5' 6" (1.68 meters). That's as tall as Henin (5' 6" 167 m). Indeed, assuming this is true, then she is slightly taller than Henin.

Look here:

http://www.ontennis.com/player/justine-henin

"Despite her relatively small size, Henin has an extremely powerful serve, which has been measured at a top speed of 124 mph [2005 Charleston]. Her average first serve speed in the 2007 US Open semi-final [first set] was 107 MPH - the same as her opponent, Venus Williams (nine inches taller than Henin), who holds the world record for the fastest serve in a main draw Tour (or Grand Slam) event. Henin's serve frequently features in the top 10 of the 'Women's Serve Speed Leaders' list, produced at every Grand Slam event throughout the year. In the 2007 US Open list, Henin's 117 mph serve was the eighth fastest recorded at the tournament, behind Sam Stosur's (joint-ranked at no.5 on the list) 118 mph serve. Venus Williams recorded the fastest serve at the tournament, measured at 129 mph / 207 km/h, a world record at a Grand Slam tournament."

What is the problem, now?

Actually if Henin had big serve she would probably become an all-around player, not just a baseliner. Big serve for me means serve well most of the time (Serena/Federer), not just overpower like Ferrer
 
Well, she has been unstoppable. Serena hasn't lost this year has she? Despite playing like crapp for the most part, when pushed, she can elevate her game, while her opponent wilts in the heat of the moment. Even our beloved Sugarpova is no longer a threat.

There is no WTA player on tour that can consistently challenge Serena. The up and coming players have proven to be second rate. Serena is safe for the next 5 years with winning slams... even in mediocre health. She could play till she's forty! :cry:

Year, looks at others serve, Very Very bad, dumb Serve Technique. This video point out everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8q2cBx19ec
I hope some dull coach can watch this
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Just a note. I'm looking forward to Serena returning because I am SO tired of discussing men's tennis with the males in this forum. They are so rude to women here.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB

And you are so rude to men.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Just a note. I'm looking forward to Serena returning because I am SO tired of discussing men's tennis with the males in this forum. They are so rude to women here.

#PTL #JC4Ever

#AngieB

I will offer a solution. Just stay away from men's tennis and stick to WTA. Not too many people bother about it anyways.
 

split-step

Professional
I have her listed as 5' 6" (1.68 meters). That's as tall as Henin (5' 6" 167 m). Indeed, assuming this is true, then she is slightly taller than Henin.

Look here:

http://www.ontennis.com/player/justine-henin

"Despite her relatively small size, Henin has an extremely powerful serve, which has been measured at a top speed of 124 mph [2005 Charleston]. Her average first serve speed in the 2007 US Open semi-final [first set] was 107 MPH - the same as her opponent, Venus Williams (nine inches taller than Henin), who holds the world record for the fastest serve in a main draw Tour (or Grand Slam) event. Henin's serve frequently features in the top 10 of the 'Women's Serve Speed Leaders' list, produced at every Grand Slam event throughout the year. In the 2007 US Open list, Henin's 117 mph serve was the eighth fastest recorded at the tournament, behind Sam Stosur's (joint-ranked at no.5 on the list) 118 mph serve. Venus Williams recorded the fastest serve at the tournament, measured at 129 mph / 207 km/h, a world record at a Grand Slam tournament."

What is the problem, now?

Henin and Halep are 2 different people. Are more sensible thing might be to look at a larger sample size of female players at that height with comparable talent and examine their serve speed. I think you will find that height is a good predictor of serve speed and Henin is the exception that proves the rule.
 

HRB

Hall of Fame
If SHE wants to.

Serena controls her destiny at this point, her only "rival" is her will, her health, her mental focus.

This is coming from a fan of the WTA who loves Masha, Petra, Petkovic, and all the young up and comers (Halep, Giorgi, Genie, Madison, Benic, Pliskova) but yet is realistic enough to accept it is a Serena world and the others are just living in it!

Never in our lifetime will we see 2 other siblings dominate the singles tour the way Vee and ReRe have, let alone the way they dominated doubles whenever they felt like it.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, Madison Keys can't serve, or Lisicki, or Venus? These three have serves that would hang right up there with the dudes...they'd ace the dude who made the video right off the court.

Dude that made the video is not maybe a professionall tennis player?

He's just a analyst.
 
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