Win over Nadal in AU 2017 or against Djokovic in this years Wimbledon
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Djokodalerer31
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It's like asking, which flavor do you preffer your ice-cream with - with cherry on top or with cookies and cream! LOL I am not Federer, but i know for sure i wouldn't trade one for another...But if you really really forced me to choose at a gunpoint i would confess - the Wimbledon one, cuz on implications (Federer himself and especially his fans dislike Djokovic and his fans, whilst there Nadal fans and he himself don't dislike Federer and his fans nearly as much! In that reagrd the victory for Federer and his fans over Djokovic at the Wimbledon would feel much more special! Another reason, he would have proven 2014 and 2015 finals were more of a fluke...but whatever...that's history now...)
I disagree. He had to prove to the world that he could beat Nadal in a HC slam after all those losses and the mental hurdle of it all
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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The one that happened.
Then why woudl he be happy to share it with nadal? That's what I don't get... Like he doesn't care about the fact that he had NEVER beaten Nadal on anything but grass
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It has to be the win over Nadal, no question.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Fake sympathy after a tight contest.
I don't think so in his mind. He is so obsessed with those Wimbledons
lol nah he sounded genuine, which disgusted me
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Beating Nadal was a massive hurdle for him. He might not have even beaten Nadal this year at Wimbledon to even face Djokovic in the final, if he didn't exorcise those demons back at AO 2017. For so many years the question kept getting asked why can't he beat Nadal in a slam? and other variations of it. To beat Nadal in the manner that he did, probably ranks among one of his most sweetest moments. Remember his 2012 Wimbledon run was considered to be magical also, where he went through even better version of Djokovic and also peak Murray back to back to win the title. Beating Nadal at AO, also allowed him to not only avenge that 2009 defeat, but also gave him a win over Nadal outside of grass. 0-4 at HC slams looks a lot worse than 1-3, especially considering they split the finals there. He also prevented Nadal from getting a double career slam.
So going back to my first point, that win at AO likely played a part in beating Nadal again at Wimbledon, because the confidence was there and he knew what he needed to execute. I don't know he just beats Nadal after then not having beaten him in 12 years in a slam, had he opted to lose the AO 2017 final just to try to get W 2019.
FWI, he sounded more upset by not winning a 9th Wimbledon, than he was excited to finally beat Nadal in a HC slam.. Just my observations. And he truly didn't seem to care that it was Nadal that he beat..
StrongRule
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And still I think it can't be worse than being 3-0 down against his main rival in Wimbledon finals. People can say whatever they want but this stat is pathetic for the so called grass GOAT. And yes, it is true that Federer physically wasn't ready for long matches in 2014-2015. But this year he was, so this time I don't buy any excuses about his age.
He did have match points. I was not so much pissed about the blown match points as I was how flat he looked in the tiebreak. Yet nobody asked him if it was a coincidental tiredness or nerves.
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No one is saying that makes losing to Djokovic yet again in a Wimbledon final any better. The question is basically a Pick Your Poison question, either way it is bad, the question is which way would you rather go.
MeatTornado
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0-3 looks bad until you look at the actual matches in a vacuum and remember Roger won the only match where their primes sort of overlapped. He's overachieved by even reaching those 2014, 15 and 19 finals. Should have won this year, but those losses are definitely not pathetic on the whole.
StrongRule
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As I said, I agree he was far from his best (especially physically) in 2014-2015. But this year he didn't lose because of his age. He was ready for a very long match and had more than enough chances. That was definitely a bad loss.
The win over Rafa in the AO 17 final was absolutely massive. A five set win over his nemesis in another Slam final after not having won a GS since 2012. A great comeback for Fed after 6 months away from the tour when most thought he was done winning Slams. He hadn't beaten Nadal at the AO before that either.
Fed has a Wimbledon win over prime Novak in 2012 anyway and had mps in the 2019 W final at nearly 38.
AO 17 is the answer.
Fed has a Wimbledon win over prime Novak in 2012 anyway and had mps in the 2019 W final at nearly 38.
AO 17 is the answer.
SaintPetros
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Probably NottheGOATerer's win in '17, since it actually happened.
MichaelNadal
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As opposed to winning Wimby at almost 38 beating Nadal and Djokovic back to back? Please. It would have far and away been the most epic thing that's ever happened in the mens game. AO17 was nice for hardcore fanboys after 90 bad Sundays.
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Did you read the rest of the thread to why I said that? Have a read.
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Well, that'd be 2017 AO, since he actually won that one.
Sephiroth
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AO 17.
Federer hadn't beaten Nadal for 10 years at a GS and hadn't won a GS since 2k12, forget Federer winning a GS, it was the most surprising thing to see both of them reach a final of the first gs of a year, it was out of the blue and the win gave Federer huge confidence vs Nadal for the rest of the season.
Federer hadn't beaten Nadal for 10 years at a GS and hadn't won a GS since 2k12, forget Federer winning a GS, it was the most surprising thing to see both of them reach a final of the first gs of a year, it was out of the blue and the win gave Federer huge confidence vs Nadal for the rest of the season.
MichaelNadal
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That's not what the question is though so it's irrelevant. Any Maestronian pretending like they wouldn't rather have had Fed win Wimby this year is more of a Nadal hater than a Federer fan. What he would have done if he converted those MPs this year would have been legendary.
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Happy to agree to disagree here and move on.
MichaelNadal
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Yep, something like that.
MichaelNadal
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Lol you're so serious lately. At least be your cheesy 80's self, I actually miss it
Maybe in isolation, but without the AO win he may have lacked confidence going forward vs Nadal.
MichaelNadal
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That's still not the question though, so stop trying to act like AO17 would be bigger. Yes I follow the logic.
In my mind too, I don't think in his mind. Wimbledon is his favorite tournament.
Tennis_Hands
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OP, let's put it that way: if he didn't beat Nadal at AO 2017 right now the Major count would have been 19-20 (if the other match happened like you assumed). Now, if Nadal wants to surpass Federer he has to put out more than 20. Had he won the AO 2017 final he might have not needed that, so effectively with the win Federer put at least a 3 Major gap between the two (as opposed to the two gap actual difference that happened with the actual win).
Not to speak of the countless intangibles associated with it.
As much as it would have been one for the ages the Wimbledon 2019 has a completely different place. Federer can't lose even if he lost that final. He has nothing to prove after what happened.
Not to speak of the countless intangibles associated with it.
As much as it would have been one for the ages the Wimbledon 2019 has a completely different place. Federer can't lose even if he lost that final. He has nothing to prove after what happened.
OP, let's put it that way: if he didn't beat Nadal at AO 2017 right now the Major count would have been 19-20 (if the other match happened like you assumed). Now, if Nadal wants to surpass Federer he has to put out more than 20. Had he won the AO 2017 final he might have not needed that, so effectively with the win Federer put at least a 3 Major gap between the two (as opposed to the two gap actual difference that happened with the actual win).
Not to speak of the countless intangibles associated with it.
As much as it would have been one for the ages the Wimbledon 2019 has a completely different place. Federer can't lose even if he lost that final. He has nothing to prove after what happened.
But he didn't beat the prime Nadal who ran up balls like crazy. Nadal has changed more with age than Federer.
Tennis_Hands
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Those are only assumptions. Nadal certainly has done a fair share of winning at his current and recent age to not consider any of that relevant, let alone in comparison with Federer who many times in recent years has been visibly slower. The "beating "prime" Nadal" argument has been "beaten" to death. There is nothing in it.
Federer is 1-3 v nadal at AO and 1-3 v Djokovic at Wimbledon....Federer's two best Majors. I suppose 0-4 is more embarrassing than 1-3 so AO 2017 saved face a little bit.
Nothing to prove...cant stop laughing. Federer is now 0-3 in finals v Djokovic...at his own pet slam. That defeat was a disaster. Don't try and dres it up as some sort of heroic failure..he lost when he had to win period. He also btw had to win v Nadal at FO given Nadal has beaten Federer at Wimbledon.OP, let's put it that way: if he didn't beat Nadal at AO 2017 right now the Major count would have been 19-20 (if the other match happened like you assumed). Now, if Nadal wants to surpass Federer he has to put out more than 20. Had he won the AO 2017 final he might have not needed that, so effectively with the win Federer put at least a 3 Major gap between the two (as opposed to the two gap actual difference that happened with the actual win).
Not to speak of the countless intangibles associated with it.
As much as it would have been one for the ages the Wimbledon 2019 has a completely different place. Federer can't lose even if he lost that final. He has nothing to prove after what happened.
This year has rubber stamped Federer as no.3 of this era.
OMG... how shameful
Tennis_Hands
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Federer vs Nadal 6-1 in titles at the AO
Federer vs Djokovic 8-5 in titles at Wimbledon
^^^^
That is how you work with facts.
Learn from it.
Krish0608
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Agreed with this. This was a bad loss. Nothing to do with age.
Lol no. What a player wins before his great rivals emerge out of their teens is irrelevant when comparing them. By your logic lewis Hamilton is better than Ayrton senna. Thats obviously not the case.Federer vs Nadal 6-1 in titles at the AO
Federer vs Djokovic 8-5 in titles at Wimbledon
^^^^
That is how you work with facts.
Learn from it.
Bottom line is Since Nadal and Djokovic arrived at their peak Federer has been 3rd on hard court...2nd on grass and 4th on clay this era. Deal with it.
Tennis_Hands
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You don't know what you are talking about, and if I ask you to point at Djokovic's and Nadal's peak respectively I am sure you won't be able to point me at anything serious and will try to circumvent the question.
Given they are one year apart in age its easy...Nadal 18-16 and one more masters 1000 title.You don't know what you are talking about, and if I ask you to point at Djokovic's and Nadal's peak respectively I am sure you won't be able to point me at anything serious and will try to circumvent the question.
Couldnt be closer...thats why Nadal and Djokovic are the two greatest of all time...time will tell in what order they end up.
Tennis_Hands
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So u admit Nadal and Djokovic the two greatest of all time...glad u concede defeat and accept reality.So, you decided to prove me right in less than ten minutes?
Tennis_Hands
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Not only you proved me right, but you have been thrown out of the Nadal fanbase it seems. Sad to have to continue without identity.
HetTheGreaterer
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Nothing tops AO17...
Remember, nothing
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