Young Nadal v Young Alcaraz - The story so far

[nolefam_2024]

He lied on the form about being in other countries, he hid his covid diagnosis then made a public appearance and the exemption he got was from the tennis Australia boss... who has nothing to do with who is or is not allowed into the country.

The PM Australia has now is just as bad as Biden... if not worse...

Back on ignore you go troll.

Aren't you the one who made threads about no weak era when Nadal played and weak era when Nadal got injured?

I don't know why YOU can call anyone else a troll. Many other rafans can call me a troll and I don't mind. Not you.

 

[StrongRule]

Masters won outside of clay. Nadal 10. Alcaraz already at 4. This one is lost cause even Nadal fans know it. That 4 will turn into 11 very soon.

Outside of clay is not a stat.

 

[SonnyT]

As always, a shallow analysis...

Alcaraz ahead on HC and grass (and ranking) because Nadal had to deal with PEAK Federer...

Is Alcaraz beating 2005 Fed in Miami Bo5 final?
Is he beating 2006 Fed at Wimbledon?

Heck, is Alcaraz even winning one slam with peak Roger around?

purely stat wise - they're close, but factor in the context and Nadal is ahead.

A deeply philosophical analysis, which delves into the very existence of tennis ... Everyone is impressed.

 

[The Blond Blur]

This is a persuasive argument. And I want to totally agree but when I zoom out and just compare these resumes as if they're a player's entire career...the guy who won two different Slams, one of them being Wimbledon which is the most prestigious in most people's minds...and also spent time at #1 would have to get the edge

Again I’ll have to respectfully disagree. In the modern era all the slams are now equal. That and those 2 slam titles were aided by the fact that there was no prime ATG in the field. The 22 USO was an arduous process that frankly was made a lot tougher than it needed to be. WB 23 saw Djokovic play some of the worst tennis of his life that has since then been surpassed at this years’ AO. 06 Fed straight sets both finalists and Nadal probably beats both of them in 4.

Becoming #1 was a by product of there being no aforementioned prime ATG. Nadal was hurt and Djokovic kept himself out with his vaccination status for huge chunks of the season. If you flip their circumstances then 2005-2007 Nadal probably ends YE#1 in 2022-2024. Whereas 2022-2024 Alcaraz more than likely goes slam less in 2005-2007.

 

[DSH]

Spanish players have won the most Slams in the 21th century so far.

¡Viva España!

 

[StrongRule]

Again I’ll have to respectfully disagree. In the modern era all the slams are now equal. That and those 2 slam titles were aided by the fact that there was no prime ATG in the field. The 22 USO was an arduous process that frankly was made a lot tougher than it needed to be. WB 23 saw Djokovic play some of the worst tennis of his life that has since then been surpassed at this years’ AO. 06 Fed straight sets both finalists and Nadal probably beats both of them in 4.

Becoming #1 was a by product of there being no aforementioned prime ATG. Nadal was hurt and Djokovic kept himself out with his vaccination status for huge chunks of the season. If you flip their circumstances then 2005-2007 Nadal probably ends YE#1 in 2022-2024. Whereas 2022-2024 Alcaraz more than likely goes slam less in 2005-2007.

The whole argument that circumstances don't matter is a joke. What is the point of these discussions then? Just counting titles, something any 5 years old can do? That's not serious. Not to mention that all these users who claim "circumstances don't matter" believe so only when it suits them. Will never forget how some Djokovic fans, who usually claim that nothing but formal stats matter, were at all cost denying that Djokovic lost to Busta in USO 2020, even though it was an official loss. Suddenly circumstances did matter to them, LOL.

But oh well, at least this guy didn't claim that beating 2023 Djokovic is more impressive than the wins Nadal achieved in 2005-2006, like one "Nadal fan" did.

 

[DSH]

The whole argument that circumstances don't matter is a joke. What is the point of these discussions then? Just counting titles, something any 5 years old can do? That's not serious. Not to mention that all these users who claim "circumstances don't matter" believe so only when it suits them. Will never forget how some Djokovic fans, who usually claim that nothing but formal stats matter, were at all cost denying that Djokovic lost to Busta in USO 2020, even though it was an official loss. Suddenly circumstances did matter to them, LOL.

But oh well, at least this guy didn't claim that beating 2023 Djokovic is more impressive than the wins Nadal achieved in 2005-2006, like one "Nadal fan" did.

Joker fans ignore something called contextualizing the information in order to do a much richer analysis of details that can help understand the statistical data in its true meaning.

 

[NeutralFan]

He's not even greater than Hewitt at the same age let alone Nadal - some insecure Nadal fan

 

[messiahrobins]

Because Nadal was the greatest young talent of his era, and after him, it is now Alcaraz?

You know, this thread is about comparing the best of the two different eras, yes? And objectively we all know and accept that Nadal was the best young talent this century.

I think what people are saying is that while the numbers look similar, the context shows that in fact Nadal was substantially superior because the Era he achieved is success was a lot stronger than the current era. That's is how i am reading the general comments. Context being added.

 

[The Blond Blur]

He's not even greater than Hewitt at the same age let alone Nadal - some insecure Nadal fan

Lol. I’m living rent free in a bandwagon fan’s head I see

 

[The_Order]

Aren't you the one who made threads about no weak era when Nadal played and weak era when Nadal got injured?

Nope. Obviously you can't read.

I don't know why YOU can call anyone else a troll. Many other rafans can call me a troll and I don't mind. Not you.

Yeah I can and will call you a troll, that's exactly what you are.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nope. Obviously you can't read.



Yeah I can and will call you a troll, that's exactly what you are.

You are gigantic troll boy

 

[Phenomenal]

Even numbers are not as close like many think and sure it wasn't before Alcaraz's IW win. It seems people keep triggering whenever Alcaraz getting closer and stop when he doesn't. I get that its nice to compare 2 great young prodigy.

With context for me Alcaraz's no1 is meaningles in this comparison. Nadal was the best player of the 2022 with 2 slams + Wimbledon semi. He would be ahead in ranking too with Wimbledon points counted, was not a normal year. With his last WTF win Djokovic would have clinched the no1 spot.
Apart from 2 masters Nadal also has additional slam final.

 

[kevaninho]

No Nadal fans love alcaraz until alcaraz starts breaking their favs records. Right now you guys will love anyone who can take out djokovic. Nadal fans also love Nardi.

I would add that Federer fans enjoyed Djokovic stopping Nadal catching him, up until Djokovic became a serious threat to all Feds records.

 

[DSH]

I would add that Federer fans enjoyed Djokovic stopping Nadal catching him, up until Djokovic became a serious threat to all Feds records.

The hypocrisy of the Federer sect came to the fore when that happened.

 

[duaneeo]

I would add that Federer fans enjoyed Djokovic stopping Nadal catching him, up until Djokovic became a serious threat to all Feds records.

Federer had 16 slams to Rafa's nine heading into 2011, so his fans weren't looking for a 'savior' to stop Rafa from catching him. And Djokovic didn't become "a serious threat to all Feds records" until the end of the decade.