Exactly...it's all very contrived and done for a purpose. He knows what he's doing. This notion that he is 'out of control' is laughable...
Mac explodes again....yawn
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No, it was mostly families and couples, and a lot of tennis players. I saw a great many of my regular teammates and opponents there. It was a wonderful atmosphere, otherwise. As I said in my previous post, he wasn't "scowling" - he was violent.
He's hilarious sometimes (although sometimes he's ridiculous). Recently a serve was called in that he claimed was "7 inches out" and then on his next serve they called it out and he yells "COME ON THAT WAS ONLY 5 INCHES OUT!!!!!!"
I really enjoy watching mcenroe, and the senior tour. I never get why everyone bashes everything. The senior tour is great and fun to watch.
All you do is look for the fualts in everything, the senior tour is very entertaining, if you don't like it, don't watch it.
I really enjoy watching mcenroe, and the senior tour. I never get why everyone bashes everything. The senior tour is great and fun to watch.
classictennis said:
All you do is look for the fualts in everything, the senior tour is very entertaining, if you don't like it, don't watch it.
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As long as this kind of behavior is rewarded ....
McEnroe Extends Dunlop Deal Through 2009
By Tennis Week
12/08/2006
John McEnroe will continue to play with a familiar partner for the next three years. The Hall of Famer has extended his long-standing racquet and tennis ball endorsement pact with Dunlop through September, 2009, Dunlop announced today. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
In a career that has spanned three decades, McEnroe has won 155 singles and doubles titles, including seven Grand Slam singles championships. Playing with deadly precision on his slice serve, deft touch on volleys and an awe-inspiring intensity, McEnroe won his Wimbledon trophy in 1981, which he won playing with a Dunlop Maxply racquet.
"My Dunlop racquet is a very important and integral part of my game," said McEnroe. "I played with a Dunlop racquet during the best years of my career and I still play with a Dunlop racquet today. I am delighted to be an ambassador for Dunlop since we have had a very successful partnership for so many years."
McEnroe currently plays the senior circuit with Dunlop's distinctive McEnroe Maxply, which he helped design.
McEnroe Extends Dunlop Deal Through 2009
By Tennis Week
12/08/2006
John McEnroe will continue to play with a familiar partner for the next three years. The Hall of Famer has extended his long-standing racquet and tennis ball endorsement pact with Dunlop through September, 2009, Dunlop announced today. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.
In a career that has spanned three decades, McEnroe has won 155 singles and doubles titles, including seven Grand Slam singles championships. Playing with deadly precision on his slice serve, deft touch on volleys and an awe-inspiring intensity, McEnroe won his Wimbledon trophy in 1981, which he won playing with a Dunlop Maxply racquet.
"My Dunlop racquet is a very important and integral part of my game," said McEnroe. "I played with a Dunlop racquet during the best years of my career and I still play with a Dunlop racquet today. I am delighted to be an ambassador for Dunlop since we have had a very successful partnership for so many years."
McEnroe currently plays the senior circuit with Dunlop's distinctive McEnroe Maxply, which he helped design.
superman1
Legend
The thing is, he's not going to change. So there's no point in getting upset at him for the rest of his life. Just accept it and move on. Most people have chosen to find the humor in it. As long as he doesn't actually punch someone when he's out there, I will choose to just laugh at his misery and be a fan of his amazing talent.
Nastase says the same in his book also
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
Well, he does get out of control. In Memphis, he slammed a ball down on court which came back and hit him in the eye. There was a ripple of laughter, but then silence as he didn't move for quite some time. It was reported that he visited a doctor the next day. I think he blows a breaker and just can't control himself after he gets on one of his long-winded rants.
It's difficult if not impossible to find humor in his behavior when he's dropping F-bombs every third word and you have your child with you at a tennis match. I saw folks heading for the exits in Memphis the second night he played. Wilander had made a match out of the second set and McEnroe decided to throw a fit. No one was amused.
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
Yeah,his behavior is "part of the show". The worst part.
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
Years ago when still married to Tatum O'Neil he flew into a rage because he arrived late for a flight at SFO and they refused to hold up flight for him and his entourage.He assaulted flight attendant(later settling lawsuit out of court)after injuring her arm.He was a brilliant player but an a-hole of a person.Some people still don't get it and want to look the other way when he throws a fit.What an abysmal human being.In his short runned cable talk show he also proved to be an intolerant jerk to anyone not subscribing to his Manhatten upper west side world view.But in this world he has parlayed his obnoxious attitude into a career so why should he change now?He's just an a-hole.An obnoxious one.
Deuce
Banned
John McEnroe is everything that he claims to hate in others:
A spoiled brat who has always thought that he is larger than the game of tennis, and who greatly overestimates his own importance not only on the tennis court, but in life in general.
... and a consummate hypocrite.
I'm glad to see that people are seeing him for what he is, and are not fooled by his 'nice guy' act.
A spoiled brat who has always thought that he is larger than the game of tennis, and who greatly overestimates his own importance not only on the tennis court, but in life in general.
... and a consummate hypocrite.
I'm glad to see that people are seeing him for what he is, and are not fooled by his 'nice guy' act.
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CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
You mean there is more than one consumate hypocrite around? Good to know - or is this just the insult of the month? Smile Deucey - you know I'm your pick!! :twisted:
I find McEnroe amusing - but I don't have to live with him. "IT WAS ON THE LINE!!!"
I find McEnroe amusing - but I don't have to live with him. "IT WAS ON THE LINE!!!"
Azzurri
Legend
Azzurri
Legend
ahem...its more consistent....I guess that makes it better, but he can no longer pull a player off the court like he used to. He used to double fault a lot back then. So it is better in a sense because of it being more consistent.
Azzurri
Legend
Azzurri
Legend
Azzurri
Legend
Azzurri
Legend
Azzurri
Legend
Have to agree with Scanlon on this and I'm sure if you polled Mac's peers they would agree as well. While not to say that SOME of his outbursts were not genuine, I believe he clearly used theatrics as a means to control the tempo of the match and manipulate the psyche of his opponent.
eunjam
Rookie
either way.....it is UNDISPUTED......mc enroe is still an a-hole.
sure....great player....great volleys and reflexes in his day.....but still an a-hole.
the best part of this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAPwx3z950
is not that he gets hit.......but loses the point after he gets smacked.
HILARIOUS.
ChicagoJack
Hall of Fame
Food for thought,
That reminds me of a true story. When I lived in the city, the guy in the condo across from me ( we shared a back terrace ) was the maitre d in the restaurant at a very small, posh private tennis club on the lake. One morning, my neighbor, upon seeing my yellow volkl bag slug over my shoulder made the comment, "I have one of those" which struck me as odd because the guy is an infrequent tennis player and volkl is not a brand you'd find at the local sportmart. When I mentioned my puzlement, he recounted an event that I think is quite revealing.
Johnny Mac was dining in the club lounge, as he was there doing a kids tennis clinic. Apparently the caesar salad Mac ordered was not to his liking. As my Maitre d freind walked by J Mac's table, Mac threw the salad right in his face, with quite a few F bombs as accompanying garnish. The entire dining room fell silent with disbelief, and there is my freind standing in his italian suit, ceaser dressing dripping from his nose, and romaine in his hair, getting cursed at. Mac later sincerely apologized, and part of the apology was the gift of an assortment of volkl bags. When I asked how the kids clinic went, my neighbor said that he is really great with the kids, but management is wise to limit his interaction with adults as much as possible.
I think Mac is one of those players who performs better when he is a little angry. I spent a few years behind a stove in french restaurants, and know there are chefs who really don't get it in gear and start to roll until soemthing happens to pss them off. The emotion is genuine, but the emotion is channeled into elevating performance level. For some people it is what they lean on in times of stress, when the chips are down, when backed into a corner. I think he is somebody who has anger as an element of internal motivation AND somedody who clearly has off the court emotional issues. I think he has both of those things. And I think he knows it, cannot overcome it, and is trying his best to deal with who he is. lord knows that must be a difficult task.
He never, ever, lost his temper when playing Borg, win, lose or draw. Just one more notable piece of the puzzle to the mystery.
-Jack
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alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
He should be in jail for wearing those Nadal capri pants. How desperate for attention is he anyway to be caught dead in those fashion disasters? He looks like Nadal's gay uncle in those. But then again, he is an a-hole who has never failed to fill a single second of commentator's air time with whatever happens to roll through his egocentric nogin at the time.
Azzurri
Legend
good point and advice taken, but sometimes it would not be a good idea to have the person you disagree with in the same room.
superstition
Hall of Fame
As for McEnroe's behavior.... I find it annoying, not only because it's rude, but because it wastes time. If I were the chair person, I'd give him point penalties for arguing. But, I enjoy watching him play a lot otherwise. He is one of the most fun players to watch, when he's playing, not complaining.
I've seen several of his matches on the seniors tour, and his outbursts were usually contrived. I think it is a combination of "the crowd expects this", "intimidate/distract the opponent", and "I'm genuinely annoyed".
I've seen several of his matches on the seniors tour, and his outbursts were usually contrived. I think it is a combination of "the crowd expects this", "intimidate/distract the opponent", and "I'm genuinely annoyed".
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alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
Okay,then how about this? McEnroe's capri pants aren't very masculine looking and and he would be better served not imitating the look of a man twenty years his junior.His attempts to appear "au currant" and hip just come off as lame and attention seeking.
quoted from: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1496703,00.html
Which begs the question as to the respect he had for the rest of his opponents.
Another interesting read which includes quotes from JMc's playing peers can be found here:
http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html
Which begs the question as to the respect he had for the rest of his opponents.
Another interesting read which includes quotes from JMc's playing peers can be found here:
http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html
The Gorilla
Banned
who keeps on deleting my posts?
mcenroe did beat up an old man,in an argument over an elevator,follow the link and read for yourself mod.
and for that he deserves our contempt.
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
My post about McEnroe's airport rage,as a response to another poster's question,was also deleted.Is McEnroe's attorney in charge here? Research the matter.SFO airport vs. the McEnroe entourage.Why the censorship?
Azzurri
Legend
This is a quote from Mac himself. I would believe what Mac has to say than anyone else. I hope this does not get deleted since there is no language nor am I arguing w/Rabbit.
As he does so well when analyzing tennis on television, McEnroe can be equally insightful, and often stunningly candid, when speaking about himself. In a detached, wizened tone, he explains that the on-court tirades during his pro career became "like a cigarette addiction. It's not really what I'm feeling, I'm just doing it because it's the habit. I'd go out on the court and suddenly I'm doing something and I'd be like, 'Why am I doing this?'"
Link below:
http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html
As he does so well when analyzing tennis on television, McEnroe can be equally insightful, and often stunningly candid, when speaking about himself. In a detached, wizened tone, he explains that the on-court tirades during his pro career became "like a cigarette addiction. It's not really what I'm feeling, I'm just doing it because it's the habit. I'd go out on the court and suddenly I'm doing something and I'd be like, 'Why am I doing this?'"
Link below:
http://www.julianrubinstein.com/john.html
Azzurri
Legend
Hey RABBIT: This is for you with the upmost sincerity. This will help you understand my point that Mac, at times, went off even when leading a match by far. You said you did not recall, here is proof....the biggest proof I could find.
This inability to accept anything from himself but the impossible beau ideal helps clear up one of the most misunderstood aspects of McEnroe's legacy. For all his talk about, and lasting reputation for, challenging authority, many of his outbursts (though often not the ones that made the 5 o'clock news) were actually directed at himself, a self-loathing that no amount of success or distance seems able to quell. Even in the 1981 first-round Wimbledon match against Tom Gullikson, in which two of Mac's most famous umpire-bashing phrases were born ("You cannot be serious!" and "You guys are the pits of the world"), his fulminations had begun with frustration over his own play. Despite the fact that he was ahead the entire match and won in straight sets, when he hit a volley long in the second set, he screamed out, "I'm so disgusting you shouldn't watch. Everybody leave." If Connors had said it, the crowd would have roared with laughter; instead you could have heard a strawberry drop. Coming from McEnroe's scowling, contorted mug, it was painful to watch.
This inability to accept anything from himself but the impossible beau ideal helps clear up one of the most misunderstood aspects of McEnroe's legacy. For all his talk about, and lasting reputation for, challenging authority, many of his outbursts (though often not the ones that made the 5 o'clock news) were actually directed at himself, a self-loathing that no amount of success or distance seems able to quell. Even in the 1981 first-round Wimbledon match against Tom Gullikson, in which two of Mac's most famous umpire-bashing phrases were born ("You cannot be serious!" and "You guys are the pits of the world"), his fulminations had begun with frustration over his own play. Despite the fact that he was ahead the entire match and won in straight sets, when he hit a volley long in the second set, he screamed out, "I'm so disgusting you shouldn't watch. Everybody leave." If Connors had said it, the crowd would have roared with laughter; instead you could have heard a strawberry drop. Coming from McEnroe's scowling, contorted mug, it was painful to watch.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Because of what I do for a living, I'd estimate about one-third of people are *themselves* the worst judge of their own character. (IMO, Mac is "in company" with Bill Clinton, and Mark Foley -- to point to two well-known political figures.)
I don't believe Mac really *does* know how asinine he is, when in "Rant Mode."
I had a similar experience ... when I was in mid-tantrum at age 19. I thought, "This is dumb" and I have never acted like a three-year-old again. (I grew up; Mac has not.)Mac said:
Lastly, as a HS Coach, I make sure to nip churlishness in the bud. My boys know they'll be defaulted if they act like jerks. It took only one time for the rest of the team to "get the message" that "Coach means it." Too bad nobody (Mom ... Dad) ever stopped Mac as a Junior player....
- KK
Azzurri
Legend
Rabbit: Here is more for you. You see, before I read this I had this opinion about Mac. Looks like I am not the only one.
He won eight Grand Slam doubles championships, equaled his singles tally with a record 77 doubles tournament titles, and his impact on the U.S. Davis Cup team was almost Jordanesque.
Mac the iconoclast loved competing for the red, white and blue, and he led the United States to five world titles while compiling an unsurpassed 59-10 match record in the 12 years he played Davis Cup. One of his most memorable lines to an umpire came during a Davis Cup match against Argentina earlier in 1992, when after what he perceived as a bad call, he said to the American chairperson, "You're not just hurting me, you're hurting your entire country."
He won eight Grand Slam doubles championships, equaled his singles tally with a record 77 doubles tournament titles, and his impact on the U.S. Davis Cup team was almost Jordanesque.
Mac the iconoclast loved competing for the red, white and blue, and he led the United States to five world titles while compiling an unsurpassed 59-10 match record in the 12 years he played Davis Cup. One of his most memorable lines to an umpire came during a Davis Cup match against Argentina earlier in 1992, when after what he perceived as a bad call, he said to the American chairperson, "You're not just hurting me, you're hurting your entire country."
Azzurri
Legend
Very educated and thoughtful response. Rabbit.....where are you? Maybe you should read this from Karl.
Yes...Mac never really grew up, but I doubt he did not try. Its just his nature to be a bully and hotheaded. I have to admit I love his thumbing the nose of society. :grin:
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
slappano - That Rubenstein piece is a good find....
Tom Hulce studied him for his role as the eccentric, half-crazed 18th century composer Mozart in the 1984 film Amadeus.
Wow! That's fascinating.
McEnroe insisted [Bud Collins] be removed from NBC's broadcast booth when he signed on with the network in 1994.
... And then I love Mac again. (I cannot stand Collins.)
- KK
Tom Hulce studied him for his role as the eccentric, half-crazed 18th century composer Mozart in the 1984 film Amadeus.
Wow! That's fascinating.
McEnroe insisted [Bud Collins] be removed from NBC's broadcast booth when he signed on with the network in 1994.
... And then I love Mac again. (I cannot stand Collins.)
- KK
Azzurri
Legend
10islobber
New User
I reckon you're right about McEnroe helping the promoters but not the game. I used to copy his style for years from wood to the Max 200g. His style was effective w/ serve-and-volley but unreliable groundstrokes with half-backswigs. Mc had to rely very much on his serve-and-volley, especially the first serve, to be effective. The volleys at the net were great and executed with ease. However, the longer the game progresses, the lower his winning percentage becomes because of the heavy racket.
I had switched to the Sampras racket about 4 years ago and it was quite a transition from a head-heavy racket to the light-head WPS 6.0 85, a player's racket, which one has to do more work to hit good shots e.g full backswings on the groundstrokes etc. At my age, 60, I must be nuts using this racket instead of a more user-friendly one, but what the heck! i get more exercise! :grin:
I had switched to the Sampras racket about 4 years ago and it was quite a transition from a head-heavy racket to the light-head WPS 6.0 85, a player's racket, which one has to do more work to hit good shots e.g full backswings on the groundstrokes etc. At my age, 60, I must be nuts using this racket instead of a more user-friendly one, but what the heck! i get more exercise! :grin:
Deuce
Banned
I saw that Rubinstein writing ('Being John McEnroe') a few years ago in a book store, and read it then. I liked it, as it differs from the 'norm'. I mentioned it a couple of times on this message board.
One of my favourite parts is
"Along the way, McEnroe has come dangerously close to becoming the thing he always claimed to hate most -- a phony -- portraying himself during telecasts and in interviews as a man-of-the-people who rides the subways and tells it like it is, while in his spare time he's shilling for companies like Nike, Heineken, Lincoln Navigator and Rogaine, and collecting cars and homes as if they were tennis trophies. His carefully chosen marketing deals, negotiated by his hard-driving consigliere father, John Sr., a corporate lawyer for a major Manhattan firm, have netted him an estimated $100 million, far more than anyone else to have played his sport. "
One of my favourite parts is
"Along the way, McEnroe has come dangerously close to becoming the thing he always claimed to hate most -- a phony -- portraying himself during telecasts and in interviews as a man-of-the-people who rides the subways and tells it like it is, while in his spare time he's shilling for companies like Nike, Heineken, Lincoln Navigator and Rogaine, and collecting cars and homes as if they were tennis trophies. His carefully chosen marketing deals, negotiated by his hard-driving consigliere father, John Sr., a corporate lawyer for a major Manhattan firm, have netted him an estimated $100 million, far more than anyone else to have played his sport. "
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
This confirms what I posted before about his short lived cable talk show.What a steamy heap that show was.He lives among the glitterati in his upper west side Manhatten apartment and had pals like Katrina VandenHuvel (editor of The Nation magazine)on his show where his view of world events and the entire rest of the US were dismissive,crotchety and narrow minded to say the least.His hypocrisy is,and always has been,world class.He's always been a child of privilege and his tennis genius opened doors for him the rest of us could only dream of.He has always been disdainful of anyone he considered his inferior(almost everyone really)on and off the tennis court.Such a dreadful person blessed with such a charmed life.
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Azzurri
Legend
Folks! May I introduce Johnny Mac's cousin "Butch"....needless to say Butchie has been ignored by his cousin far too long.:grin:
I digressed....this assessment on Mac made me really think. I guess it can be difficult to worship a talented jerk.
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
I'm not good enough to be his cousin.
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