No, you can't.2 maybe/maybe not, but 3 I can definitely feel a difference
No, you can't.
If you add the weight to a specific point on the racquet you will feel the difference, but if you take two separate racquets different by only three swing weight points then that's the real test.
If you give me both racquets and ask me to feel a difference, then maybe, yea.If you have two racquets with identical both weight and balance (let's hypotetically suppose both are identical) but 2-3 SW pts difference, they'll probably swing differently. One of them will likely swing easier. It isn't impossible there will be no difference felt in how they swing, but it's more probably there will be.
When balance is not completely the same (while weight is identical let's suppose), it all depends on direction of balance difference. In some situations racquet will swing similarly because of similarity in specs relation, in some other situation the difference in how they swing will be yet bigger. And if both specs are approximately similar, the result is similar. In any case it's no wonder if racquets will swing differently.
Much, really much about success of playing with any racquet is in how (lightly/easily or heavier/laggier) it swings, in my view it's more important than any spec per se.
Very easy to see this yourself. Put one gram of putty at 12 o'clock. It will increase SW by 3.3 pts roughly. Then try just shadow swinging it, with putty, then again without it. You should feel the difference.
No, not for most players. 2/3 pts is like putting less than 1 g of mass at 12 o'clock.Two of the same racquets, same weight, almost identical balance, but 2-3 SW points different between each other.
Is this noticable?
If you give me both racquets and ask me to feel a difference, then maybe, yea.
But if someone just secretly took my racquet and increased the SW by 3 points without me knowing, there is no way I'd feel that.
I guess nobody could, except for some pros maybe.
But that's just my opinion.
I think that's true, definitely.Sure, and true. Only shorter memory impressions have some reliability. If you swing a racquet and/or hit with it, then add chunk of putty, then again swing/hit, you'll probably feel the difference. If there's afternoon or the next day in between you probably won't feel a thing or won't be sure whether you feel anything or you're just having a bad day. For example if racquet is fine tuned to perfection, then someone messes this up just a bit without you knowing it, even if you go hit and realize you're less successful, you can't be quite sure if it's the racquet or you're just having a worse of your days. Because this happens as well. However yeah, the easiest is to have two racquets completely tuned to same specs, then change one of them, then compare one to another. But again if you deal with putty you can put it on and take it off so fast that there is no difference in whether you're having one racquet or two. And I can tell you, it takes no pro to observe this. Possibly just a person who is observer. Not even to feel a difference, I guess pretty much everybody can feel a a difference. Good observer is just better in locating precisely where the difference is, and then in describing it. Similar is with, say, listening to hi-fi systems. Heck my wife who never messed with hi-fis can tell a difference between two different components in otherwise the same system, and say which one she likes better. She's observer enough to hear there is a difference. What she can't is to see and pin point where the major difference is, and to describe it. That requires an experienced hifist (observer plus analytical).
I think that's true, definitely.
I once bought the 97S and played with it, then inserted 15 g into the handle and used it again a few days later and felt a huge difference. But I knew I had to feel one and 15 g is some difference, not like 1g at 12 o'clock.
Two of the same racquets, same weight, almost identical balance, but 2-3 SW points different between each other.
Is this noticable?
Yes. But only if you swing them back-to-back.
You won't notice much if you play them at different times as your strokes will adjust to compensate.
roughly 3SW units is noticeable. I had 2 rackets that were about 3SW apart. I could close my eyes and pic the heavier one after taking a few shadow swings.
Assume your racket weighs 300 to 340 grams, 3SW is almost 1% difference, and you can notice it.
If you know there is a 2-3 SW difference. Your mind will focus on that. and u will feel a "difference" lolTwo of the same racquets, same weight, almost identical balance, but 2-3 SW points different between each other.
Is this noticable?
If you know there is a 2-3 SW difference. Your mind will focus on that. and u will feel a "difference" lol
if not, u probably won't.
for me as a customizer. 2 u will feel a Slight difference. 3 of course. but if you know there is a difference. Then ur mind will fixate on it
If you have two racquets with identical both weight and balance (let's hypotetically suppose both are identical) but 2-3 SW pts difference, they'll probably swing differently. One of them will likely swing easier. It isn't impossible there will be no difference felt in how they swing, but it's more probably there will be.
When balance is not completely the same (while weight is identical let's suppose), it all depends on direction of balance difference. In some situations racquet will swing similarly because of similarity in specs relation, in some other situation the difference in how they swing will be yet bigger. And if both specs are approximately similar, the result is similar. In any case it's no wonder if racquets will swing differently.
Much, really much about success of playing with any racquet is in how (lightly/easily or heavier/laggier) it swings, in my view it's more important than any spec per se.
Very easy to see this yourself. Put one gram of putty at 12 o'clock. It will increase SW by 3.3 pts roughly. Then try just shadow swinging it, with putty, then again without it. You should feel the difference.
That's REALLY stupid, that way you changed both weight and balance as well, not what OP asked at all.
If you put 2 grams at 3+9 o'clock, that's 3-3.5 pts in SW, you won't feel much more power or inertia, it will be a subtle diference, but you will likely notice the difference in increased TW, by more stability, sometimes in increased sweet spot, sometimes in less spin because of less head twisting.
If you put 1 gram at 12 o'clock, you get the similar 3-3.5 pts SW increase, no TW increase that could be noticed, but racquet will swing differently, both to prior change, or when you put lead at 3+9 o'clock.
I allow some won't notice a thing, but then again, if a player is an instrument, not each instrument is equally sensitive observing has to be practiced to be sharp, just like tennis!
If you put 2 grams at 3+9 o'clock, that's 3-3.5 pts in SW, you won't feel much more power or inertia, it will be a subtle diference, but you will likely notice the difference in increased TW, by more stability, sometimes in increased sweet spot, sometimes in less spin because of less head twisting.
If you put 1 gram at 12 o'clock, you get the similar 3-3.5 pts SW increase, no TW increase that could be noticed, but racquet will swing differently, both to prior change, or when you put lead at 3+9 o'clock.
I allow some won't notice a thing, but then again, if a player is an instrument, not each instrument is equally sensitive observing has to be practiced to be sharp, just like tennis!
Great video on Angell's Facebook page that shows it too.1g at 12 o'clock can add 6 SW points.
Two of the same racquets, same weight, almost identical balance, but 2-3 SW points different between each other.
Is this noticable?
Is there a video of the experiment using an RDC? It will be interesting to see what happens now that RDC machines are discontinued and (I believe) unsupported for calibration and maintenance.Don't think so. 1 gram of lead tape at the tip of the hoop has been measured on an RDC to increase swing weight by a little over 3 kg-cm^2/added gram at 12. The TWU customization calculators for SW also show this factoid. Plug the 1 gram increase in and use any numbers you want. SW increases ~ 3 units for all masses added at the tip of the hoop.
REALLY REALLY Stupid? So I guess if you're using caps then you're yelling? How stupid is it to start yelling at someone over a post like this? StupidThat's REALLY stupid, that way you changed both weight and balance as well, not what OP asked at all.
Yeah, I was kinda taken aback as well. Zalive has been pretty polite and has very informed posts. If anything, I would be respectful atleast.REALLY REALLY Stupid? So I guess if you're using caps then you're yelling? How stupid is it to start yelling at someone over a post like this? Stupid
Yeah, I was kinda taken aback as well. Zalive has been pretty polite and has very informed posts. If anything, I would be respectful atleast.
Yeah i always thought 1g at 12pm added 3pts too. Iirc racquet tune agreedDon't think so. 1 gram of lead tape at the tip of the hoop has been measured on an RDC to increase swing weight by a little over 3 kg-cm^2/added gram at 12. The TWU customization calculators for SW also show this factoid. Plug the 1 gram increase in and use any numbers you want. SW increases ~ 3 units for all masses added at the tip of the hoop.
Interesting. What kind of manipulations are you doing? And when??Easy yes. 2-3 especially if weight is added 3/9 or 12, the heavier SW can make it such a different feeling frame to swing. Regardless, I find that I cannot manipulate the racquet face in even 1-2% increases in SW.
People who don't think they can notice IMO care less about the "smaller" things and are easy to adjust.
No, the average person will not be able to tell the difference. I would bet the average player wouldn't even be able to tell the difference side-by-side if you didn't tell them they were different. Remember, we are not talking about adding weight at 12 or 3/9; that also changes the balance. We are talking about same balance and static weight, just slightly different swing weights.
I guarantee there are some pros that wouldn't even notice that much of a difference if you gave them one on a certain day, then switched it with the other another day without them knowing. But there are also other pros that will notice the slightest difference; Chang was a guy that could feel the difference if it was only 1 or 2 swing weight units off, and he didn't even need to hit with the racquet to feel the difference.
Interesting. What kind of manipulations are you doing? And when??
Sorry dude you mentioned racquet FACE manipulations. What are you doing with the racquet face and when?Racquet A has about 3 grams at 11/1 and 1.25 at 3/9. Racquet B has about 3 grams at 3/9 and about 2-2.5 at 11/1. B has a bit more weight in the grip to counterbalance to keep the same weight.
Sorry dude you mentioned racquet FACE manipulations. What are you doing with the racquet face and when?
Also fwiw I have added about 100g to some racquets and never ever do 3&9. Its probably me but it seems like the least bang for the weight. These days I do strips from 10-11 and 1-2pm roughly
Ah ok. Try adding 10+ grams at 7” up the handle next time that happens. If you add enough there you should get the swing speed back. I usually have to add 30g thereMostly just getting the racquet in position on my FH wing to really add action to the ball. I don't hit a really spinny ball by any means, but I do whip my lefty forehand. With the heavier and higher SW frame, I can't move the head of the racquet to the same spot with the same efficiency. On my backhand, this means catching it late more.
100g???? I'm a former college tennis player and looking at the racquet in your bio makes me go straight for the Advil.