Prime Federer vs Prime Djokovic at all major slams
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abmk
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You just said Federer won their only prime vs. prime encounter in 2011 RG but was way past his peak in USO 2011. LOL. 3 months later?Make up your mind.
he was past his prime in general in that time period.
There were some matches where he played at his prime level - vs djoko in RG 11, vs nadal in YEC 2011 RR, vs berdych in Paris 11 etc ...don't change that he wasn't at his prime in that time period. His prime was from YEC 03 to AO 10.
Would you like me to lie and say federer did not play at his prime level vs djokovic in RG 11 and still beat peakest of peak djokovic ?
abmk
Bionic Poster
there's no fricking way djokovic goes 7-3 vs federer at the FO. He lost to him prime to prime in 11 ...couldn't handle zoning stan in 15, whereas federer handled zoning delpo in 09 ...
The one and only plus point for djokovic at RG is that he took nadal to 5 sets in RG 13. everything else goes in federer's favour ...
NoleFam
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LOL. Ok.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Nole clearly better in clay and AO.
Fed clearly better at Wimby.
USO is a bit of a mix since Federer has the stronger record but Nole has beaten Fed at the USO several times and in 2007 peak Fed beat Nole in straights but that peek peak Nile had set points in the first two sets. Does peak Nole win those set points?
Fed clearly better at Wimby.
USO is a bit of a mix since Federer has the stronger record but Nole has beaten Fed at the USO several times and in 2007 peak Fed beat Nole in straights but that peek peak Nile had set points in the first two sets. Does peak Nole win those set points?
abmk
Bionic Poster
hilarious how Novak fans bring up frickin' SPs, but not 2 matches were Novak saved MPs ..
USO isn't even close -- fed would have a big edge ..
Novak does not have the edge at RG either ..
GabeT
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You keep saying that but I don't see it. Not a big edge. As others pointed out last summer Fed was playing some of his best HC tennis ever and it didnt help him against Nole.
abmk
Bionic Poster
some of his best HC tennis ? excellent for 2 sets or a bit or 1.5 to 2 hrs ..maybe ..not beyond that ...unlike at his peak where he could sustain it for over 5 sets ..he cleaned everyone's clock within a short time frame because he could sustain it for a short period - cincy vs both murray&djokovic, last 2 sets vs stan and vs gasquet at the USO ...
but he couldn't sustain it for longer ..
and he was playing well, but nowhere near his best in the final vs Nole
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augustobt
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Have you actually seen any (absolute any) match of Federer on his peak or you're just supposing because someone threw a few numbers here?
tennisplayer1993
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Aus Open - Djokovic
French Open - 50/50
Wimbledon - LOL. Federer by a pretty big margin
US Open - Federer but not by much.
So either 2-2 or 3-1 in favor of Federer.
French Open - 50/50
Wimbledon - LOL. Federer by a pretty big margin
US Open - Federer but not by much.
So either 2-2 or 3-1 in favor of Federer.
mike danny
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Not neccesarily. Past prime Fed has saved set points against a peak Djokovic multiple times.
GabeT
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Someone threw a few numbers? Doesn't anyone believe in the scientific method anymore?
GabeT
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Someone threw a few numbers? Doesn't anyone believe in the scientific method anymore?
augustobt
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Tennis ain't math. If you use plain stats to obtain and concede an opinion without watching the proper matches, you're wrong.
It's beyond ridiculous to even think that Federer in 2015 (almost A DECADE after his peak) was playing "some of his best HC tennis". It's honestly pathetic and absolutely nobody who actually saw Fed playing his best on HC will share that opinion.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Sorry, the idea that you can skip numbers and just watch a match or series of matches to decide who is better is a common mistake. A lot has been written by psychologists on how we think we understand something but really don't.
Federer in 2015 did not have the consistency he used to have in the past, but that's only true if you look at the whole year. But on certain tournaments, such as Wimby and the USO,he had some of the best results of his career. ThAts why you need to look at the numbers. Serve games won, etc...
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Sorry, the idea that you can skip numbers and just watch a match or series of matches to decide who is better is a common mistake. A lot has been written by psychologists on how we think we understand something but really don't.
Federer in 2015 did not have the consistency he used to have in the past, but that's only true if you look at the whole year. But on certain tournaments, such as Wimby and the USO,he had some of the best results of his career. ThAts why you need to look at the numbers. Serve games won, etc...
augustobt
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Bullcrap. In level of play it was nowhere near, not even comparable, to his peak years. That is an information that you can't obtain through numbers.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Ok, then Djokovic in 2007 was playing some of his best HC tennis of his career.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
The numbers do not support that assertion.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The numbers also don't tell you that Federer does not have the stamina nor the ground game he used to have at 34.
Besides the serve, everything else is not what it used to be in regards to Fed. Take away his serve and he would struggle against most people, not just Djokovic. And from the back of the court, he doesn't have a prayer against Nole.
augustobt
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He actually had better results than Federer on HC Majors, didn't him? R16 and F. Federer had 2R and F.
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Djokovic was getting destroyed by Federer from 2007-2009. Don't give us the excuse that Novak beats Federer starting 2010. Yeah, starting 2010. Federer would win against Djokovic on the courts of New York, 70% of the time. Novak would never win against Federer in Wimbledon in Federer's peak, from 2004 to 2007. And Djokovic would never lead against peak Federer on Roland Garros. PEAK FEDERER. Stop trolling.
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Bruh cut the ********. Federer would win on all surfaces except the Australian Open, and I mean the blue AO court. Novak would get killed by Roger on the green hard court.
Novak would never, ever lead Federer on Roland Garros, except if you haven't watch Federer played in his peak.
Don't even mentioned grass, there's no hope. Don't tell me that Novak would lead against Federer on grass because no one would ever believe you even you mother.
No chance that Novak will lead Federer on New York. Not happening son.
Novak's peak is ridiculous, but Federer's peak is the best I've ever seen. And Federer proves to be a bad matchup for Novak. Deal with it.
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Bruh cut the ********. Federer would win on all surfaces except the Australian Open, and I mean the blue AO court. Novak would get killed by Roger on the green hard court.
Novak would never, ever lead Federer on Roland Garros, except if you haven't watch Federer played in his peak.
Don't even mentioned grass, there's no hope. Don't tell me that Novak would lead against Federer on grass because no one would ever believe you even you mother.
No chance that Novak will lead Federer on New York. Not happening son.
Novak's peak is ridiculous, but Federer's peak is the best I've ever seen. And Federer proves to be a bad matchup for Novak. Deal with it.
Im(moral) Winner
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AO plexicushion: 8-2 Djokovic
Fairly easy one - Djokovic has handily beat him each time although he never faced peak, or 09-10, 12, 17 versions.
AO Rebound ace: 6-4 Federer
Faster courts, more action suits Fed’s game more vs Djokovic because he has more spin.
RG: 6-4 Federer
Better clay peak. Match up wise has the advantage here. Won their definitive RG match and he wasn’t even at his physical peak.
Wimbledon: 9-1 Federer
Simple one. If 2012 Fed can rout peak Djokovic like that, then I’m giving no version of Djokovic a prayer vs 03-06 Fed on the grass of Wimbledon. Vs declined no baseline game grandpa is a different story.
USO: 8-2 Federer
This score is based on peak USO Fed (04-08) and the surface being as fast as it was back then. Even if 07 Djokovic converted that SP, it’s only 1-0 and I’d expect Fed to raise his level. 2011 past prime Fed had a 2-0 lead and MPs so I’d have peak Fed as favourite most of the time here due to match up + FH dominance.
Don’t see Djokovic holding a big advantage anywhere other than Plexi, Miami and Rome.
Fairly easy one - Djokovic has handily beat him each time although he never faced peak, or 09-10, 12, 17 versions.
AO Rebound ace: 6-4 Federer
Faster courts, more action suits Fed’s game more vs Djokovic because he has more spin.
RG: 6-4 Federer
Better clay peak. Match up wise has the advantage here. Won their definitive RG match and he wasn’t even at his physical peak.
Wimbledon: 9-1 Federer
Simple one. If 2012 Fed can rout peak Djokovic like that, then I’m giving no version of Djokovic a prayer vs 03-06 Fed on the grass of Wimbledon. Vs declined no baseline game grandpa is a different story.
USO: 8-2 Federer
This score is based on peak USO Fed (04-08) and the surface being as fast as it was back then. Even if 07 Djokovic converted that SP, it’s only 1-0 and I’d expect Fed to raise his level. 2011 past prime Fed had a 2-0 lead and MPs so I’d have peak Fed as favourite most of the time here due to match up + FH dominance.
Don’t see Djokovic holding a big advantage anywhere other than Plexi, Miami and Rome.
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muri
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This is close to being correct, but there is no evidence Djoko can beat Fed on rebound ace at AO. Fed would be 7-3 against Djoko there, maybe 8-2. Also FO would be 7-3 Fed, post prime Fed beat not peak Djoko, but peakiest peak Djoko going for a record and destroying Nadal that year on clay.
titoelcolombiano
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I'd give Djoker the edge at AO, RG & USO and Fed the edge at Wimby - there's not much in it though.
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Reality:
3-1 In slam finals, 6-4 in slam semifinals, 2/3-1 in wtf finals, 4-3 in m1000 finals.
Federer had won in straight sets 14 of the 15 the previous matches.
3-1 In slam finals, 6-4 in slam semifinals, 2/3-1 in wtf finals, 4-3 in m1000 finals.
Federer had won in straight sets 14 of the 15 the previous matches.
Tennisanity
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Let's not forget Istomin > Djokovic at AO, no excuses now
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If you think 1 second round is the same as 25 finals and semis....Let's not forget Istomin > Djokovic at AO, no excuses now
Mike Sams
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Djokovic would never beat an elite Federer at the USO. It's not a surface that favours Djokovic. Even in their 2015 final, it was more about how poorly Federer played and his numerous missed chances including his atrocious 4/23 on BPs. Slow to medium hardcourts is more Djokovic's preferred surface.
BeatlesFan
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Why would anyone give the edge at the USO to a guy who has won two over someone who won five straight?
tarutani
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I have realized that but they are like all over social media as well. Youtube, Twitter, etc. It is delusion to believe that Federer would go 10-0 against Djokovic on grass or even 9-1, and then say he goes 4-6 against Djokovic on plexi. The guy has only won one set against Djokovic on plexi and that was only because Djokovic took a breather from the absolute destruction he was laying on him, then re-engaged and finished him off. I mean we have seen Djokovic beat Federer on grass but have we seen Federer get close to beating Djokovic on plexi? I like Federer but come on.
Im(moral) Winner
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Come on.
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AO- Fed wins 6 out of 10
RG- Tied 5-5
Wimbledon- Fed wins 9 out of 10
USO- Fed wins 7 out of 10
RG- Tied 5-5
Wimbledon- Fed wins 9 out of 10
USO- Fed wins 7 out of 10
titoelcolombiano
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Well, it is just an opinion but to win his five, Fed had to face Hewitt, Agassi, Roddick, a 20yo Djoker, and Murray this occurred bewteen 2004 and 2008 - quality opponents, absolutely! Djoker had to overcome Fed, Nadal and (to a lesser extent) Murray to win just about every slam that he won - this fact for me, pushed his peak level of play a little higher simply because it had to be. It is what made him the beast that he became.
So, in the spirit of this thread (peak Fed v peak Djoker) Fed was marvellous at his peak but wasn't pushed and driven anywhere near as much as Djoker was, not because of talent or skill differentials, basically because Djoker had to find something extra - I basically give Djoker the edge on these factors.
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GabeT
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sounds about right
3lite
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Federer couldn't even hang with gluten ND.
