AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Mods want the forum to be active, no? If mugs are banned, you'll get a nice field but mostly barren. You're perfectly bannable too btw.
Tipsarevic: "When everybody is at their peak, Djokovic is the best player of all-time"
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Mods want the forum to be active, no? If mugs are banned, you'll get a nice field but mostly barren. You're perfectly bannable too btw.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
In 2011 he lost 2 matches to Djokovic (the matter of discussion), of course 2010 and 2012 look better.From European clay season 2005 to 2013 end, Nadal's only losses to top 10 were to Fed (Hamburg 07, Madrid 09) and Djokovic (Madrid 11, Rome 11, Monte Carlo 13).
So your top 10 stat is irrelevant when talking about peak level for Nadal on clay.
get some idea by watching some tennis.
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oh and here are some stats, though not conclusive.
on clay for nadal.
2010 : total points won = 57.1%, games won = 66.4%, sets won = 96.2%
2012 : total points won = 58.3%, games won = 68..3%, sets won = 94.7%
2011 : total points won = 56.5%, games won = 64.6%, sets won = 85.9%
But I'm sure you'll run away from this since it doesn't suit your bullsh*t delusions.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer retirement won't save this forum. Take it from someone who was here on the eve of the AO 2017 Final to see first hand the amount of people that were frothing at the mouth at the thought of Nadal being crowned the "new GOAT." It was actually a bit of an eye opener for me in the sense that this type of overthrow, this disturbance in the force if you will, is not always a good thing.
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BrokenGears
Guest
Better than it being this trash field. This place is hellish. Mods need to be 5x more strict as this place gets worse day by day.
Mugs don’t contribute anything other than spewing vile comments
You honestly think I don’t know that or even that I actually care lol? If mods ban me and everyone else who deserves to get banned, this place would be much better
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BrokenGears
Guest
Federer retiring would definitely help the forum, maybe it won’t save it, but these trash, pseudo-intellectual/insulting/generally terrible posts would thin out
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
of course, Tipsa is from servia. so oh what a surprise..“I honestly feel that I can tell you something with utmost certainty: if you take all the top players — and I’m obviously not talking about Rafa on clay — if they are at their peak, playing their best tennis ever, Novak Djokovic is the best player of all-time,”
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/tipsarevic-tips-djokovic-best-ever-miami-2019
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
No retirement of any Big 3 member will save this forum tbh. There's no fanbase worse than the other here. Djokovic and Nadal fanboys are just as bad as the Federer ones (and the Federer ones are horrible too.) The only reason you say otherwise is because you're biased towards Djokovic in the first place.
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BrokenGears
Guest
It’s common sense to think that the largest fan base also has the largest amount of trolls
So yes, do I think that Federer retiring will help? Yes
Me being biased doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion lol
tennisfanboy
Rookie
Can @Lew II provide some stats on trolls by fanbase so we can all find out which the GOAT BOAT troll fan base is?
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Most contribute at least a little but that is overshadowed by the vitriol they bring.
Sure I'd like to have some 20-25 creatures banned, it's clear the amount of discussion would die down quite a lot though since butthurt is a strong motivator. That's what happened in the Former Pro section after its most active/butthurt members got banned (not all at the same time).
I expected the last paragraph from you actually, you don't seem to care indeed.
Majority has a duty to protect minority. Federer fans failed to do that.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Do we even know Federer has the most fans/trolls here or are we just guessing?
In any case, even if you are right it doesn't make what the other fanbases do to disparage Federer any more morally correct (again, not absolving the Federer fanbase of anything here).
This is equal opportunity in all cases. Trying to make one fanbase, that you conveniently don't like, out to be the worst of the lot is way too subjective to make it some kind of irrefutable truth.
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BrokenGears
Guest
So you think the little that the ****posters actually contribute is worth the amount of crap they spew? Well I disagree. A turd is still a turd.
You really think people should be just allowed to call people autistic as one poster literally did like a day ago?
Butthurt being a strong motivator is actually sad. Better to cut out a cancer than let it fester. So what the forum dies a little. It’ll recover when people who actually post quality content join.
I used to lol. Then this place continued to get worse and worse and actual good posters(zagor) left. It’s all just spewing crap and the same bs everyday. I used to get baited and do the same.
Better to not care then continue to be part of the problem
We are not guessing. I made a poll few years ago and ~65% of posters are Federer fans.
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BrokenGears
Guest
There’s literally been numerous polls where people have asked who is your favorite player and Federer always wins those.
It’s just simple logic to think that the bigger the fan base, the more trolls there will be unless you want me to start listing and counting everybody I consider a troll
No it doesn’t which is why it would be better if mods just banned all the trash posters. Whether it be Ned, Nole, or Fed fans. Ofc they won’t do that so maybe it’ll at least happen somewhat naturally or at least yet somewhat better when players retire
arvind13
Professional
I would say even agassi who is consiedered a second tier great is better than djokovic on fast hard courts indoor carpet and old fast grass
I would give the slight edge, overall to Roger. On grass and fast hard courts: Roger, Novak, Rafa On clay: Rafa, then Novak then Roger, a very close third. On medium/slow hard: Novak, Roger, then Rafa. In the end they are, overall, very close, accomplishment wise. Peak play: Roger, then Novak, then Rafa.“I honestly feel that I can tell you something with utmost certainty: if you take all the top players — and I’m obviously not talking about Rafa on clay — if they are at their peak, playing their best tennis ever, Novak Djokovic is the best player of all-time,”
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/tipsarevic-tips-djokovic-best-ever-miami-2019
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Wrong reading. Alright, 'overshadowed' not the best word choice, should've said 'outweighed'.
I just explained why (I think) mods don't do much about it. They want activity, doesn't matter if it's full of schit.
Don't think it would ever be nearly as active if vitriol is banned, though, because decent posters typically aren't the ones who feel the need to post away every day. I'd like a quiet cozy place myself, but what does it matter what I like, huh?
The likes of Zagor and MartinJ leaving was quite a shame indeed. So what do we do anyway? Can't have infinite private convos because the size is capped at 20.
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BrokenGears
Guest
Make stricter rules and actually enforce them then if they can’t ban people. Now they just give people a slap on the wrist by deleting messages and threads without ever addressing the root of the problem. Sure, don’t ban people, but this place is literally lawless
How pathetic is it that people who spit out extremely *****ish crap and **** on posters and players incessantly continue to still do so. It took someone saying blatantly racist crap for them to get banned and whaddya know, they’ve been unbanned as of now
Do they get money out of the site being active or what?
Obviously we can’t do anything besides complain to no avail.
I agree Djokovic at AO and Miami beats Fed.
On the faster USO and Wimbledon courts? If Fed is on and his FH is firing I just think he wins that match up.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Which is why this isn't just about Federer. In theory, when all 3 players eventually do retire you may get a cleaner forum, but even then it would probably be bad for the forum overall because of much less traffic. Plus, I think it's a bit naive to think that internet trolls are going anywhere anytime soon. They just happen on forums. It is what it is.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Forum will be much better once Zverev and Tsitsipas reach their potential and becomes the true GOAT and BOAT and shows the highest level of tennis ever.
As someone said the big 3 have won enough already and hope they can make way for the rest
As someone said the big 3 have won enough already and hope they can make way for the rest
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Take a leave of absence till then and stop complaining
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I disagree with this. Federer at his very peak best will beat Novak at his best. Federer will still be able to hold serve when he is at his peak and will be able to get 1 break per set even if Novak is playing at his best
abmk
Bionic Poster
he beat Djokovic in 3 matches in 2012 (losing 1 set combined) ---> of course he was considerably better in 2012 than he was in 2011 on clay.
Even leaving aside the stats of those 2 matches in 11 (and you shouldn't in reality, since those 2 matches include a clear indication of Nadal being clearly worse in 2011) , his stats are clearly better in 2010 and 2012.
if you watched some tennis >> you'd know.
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Deleted member 716271
Guest
This thread ... Insufferable does not even begin to describe it.
Like the Smiths song "Could turn a good man bad"
Like the Smiths song "Could turn a good man bad"
game..set..match
Semi-Pro
no player could ever beat '94 Sampras
Forum would be much better when the big 3 don't win anymore because they have won too much !
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
At the end of the day, Djokovic is the boat. Until then we have to be objective with the fact that Djokovic mastered the Grand Slams on all surfaces at once, and also won indoor ATP finals. He has the golden masters aswell and gotten the better of his main rivals peak to peak. .
Federer and Nadal tried, but they weren't as good as Novak who has mastered the game.
.Federer and Nadal tried, but they weren't as good as Novak who has mastered the game.
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Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Hasn’t Agassi said it? Of course he used to receive paychecks from Nole.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Doubt that, but here’s something to really consider: If Djokovic doesn’t overtake Federer in slams, YOUR life’s mission will go unfulfilled. Seems pretty terrifying to me.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
At the end of the day, Djokovic is the boat. Until then we have to be objective with the fact that Djokovic mastered the Grand Slams on all surfaces at once, and also won indoor ATP finals. He has the golden masters aswell and gotten the better of his main rivals peak to peak.
Federer and Nadal tried, but they weren't as good as Novak who has mastered the game.
Insert Jordan gif
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Haha u mad??
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You know Thiem just said the other day before the final that Federer is the best he's ever seen. Add that to a much longer list than the one you can come up with.At the end of the day, Djokovic is the boat. Until then we have to be objective with the fact that Djokovic mastered the Grand Slams on all surfaces at once, and also won indoor ATP finals. He has the golden masters aswell and gotten the better of his main rivals peak to peak.
Federer and Nadal tried, but they weren't as
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You are mistaken. I will tell you what is my life mission if you tell me what is your life mission.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...e-goat-in-the-next-slam.636531/#post-13091205
So there can be no GOAT but a BOAT. Waiting for an out of the world justification
ScottleeSV
Hall of Fame
What next, Wawrinka claiming Federer's the best ever?
Venus claiming her sister is?
Nothing to see here. Let's see if he can get those 20 slams.
Venus claiming her sister is?
Nothing to see here. Let's see if he can get those 20 slams.
He has to get to Nadal first
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
You feel sad for VB
Joining ship with Djokonuts since Rafa’s future seems a question mark these days
ghostofMecir
Legend
Sad really. The only Rafa fan still putting arguments out there for the Mallorcan is @Sport which is somewhat sad since nobody even bothers to reply to them because there’s really not much to argue about but respect to him for still trying. The rest have disappeared or joined the Djokovic bandwagon as this poster above has, even pretty much rooting for Djokovic in all matches now.
You then have posters like @MichaelNadal posting “epic” a few times along with nostalgic wrestling clips. @clayqueen sticks to mostly to Nadal News. You can drag @octobrina10 out of Nadal News every once in a while with a post about how many people watched Rafa practice or Rafa’s popularity vis-a-vis Federer’s.
Insert facepalm gif.
Eren
Professional
Please delete AO for Djokovic. Excluding RG but not W for Fed and not AO for Djoke is ridiculous.
I guess Fed would have zero (?) in this scenario, not sure about Djokovic.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Well everything i said is the truth. Fedr was the destined child from the get go. The son of Zeus, the Messiah himself, the religious experience for the tennis masses. He was touted as the Greatest ever as early as 2006. Imagine how much glory hunters he must've got over the years. Lol Now imagine he is to lose that Divine Aureole of Goatness to Djoko or Nadal at the last seconds of the Biggest Game. Hahahaha
The blow to his massive glory hunting following would be devastating.
You have to realize how wrong this post is. This is lighthearted forum about tennis. People are free to to comment and support whoever they want whenever they want. If you think what you have written your thought process is severely impaired.
Eren
Professional
The Fed fans, OTOH, haha, let's say if Fed is to be overtaken at the last meters of the Goat race then, umm, no bridge should be left unprotected that's for sure.
Wow, what a post, even if it's coming from you. This is low.
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