Tipsarevic: "When everybody is at their peak, Djokovic is the best player of all-time"

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Well everything i said is the truth. Fedr was the destined child from the get go. The son of Zeus, the Messiah himself, the religious experience for the tennis masses. He was touted as the Greatest ever as early as 2006. Imagine how much glory hunters he must've got over the years. Lol Now imagine he is to lose that Divine Aureole of Goatness to Djoko or Nadal at the last seconds of the Biggest Game. Hahahaha
The blow to his massive glory hunting following would be devastating. ;)

You are right. The script was that Federer was divine, but it did not turn out to be that way.
 

Kozzy

Hall of Fame
This whole debate is really absurd - the GOAT debate I mean. Who really cares? Djokovic is awesome, Nadal is awesome, and Fed is awesome. You can make arguments for/against all of them as being the GOATiest of GOATs, but whatever happens from here on out between the three of them is a bit meaningless, I think. With that said, if Djokovic wins the French that will be pretty astounding - since he'd hold all 4 majors for the second time. When that guy dominates, he knows how to dominate... Still, if you face them off against each other on their best days, I really don't think any of them comes out as the decisive ultimate GOAT.
 
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Wow, what a post, even if it's coming from you. This is low.
Well it is just hyperbole as a answer to a similar hyperbole made by ghostofmecir. But it seems that you don't get triggered so easily by similar claims made by the members of your own fanbase.
 

EasyGoing

Professional
At the end of the day, Djokovic is the boat. Until then we have to be objective with the fact that Djokovic mastered the Grand Slams on all surfaces at once, and also won indoor ATP finals. He has the golden masters aswell and gotten the better of his main rivals peak to peak. :(.

Federer and Nadal tried, but they weren't as good as Novak who has mastered the game.

Honestly, this right here is what makes this forum a really ugly place. Intellectually challenged trolls posing as fake fans spamming the forum with idiotic remarks.
And even though all groups have many rotten eggs, it has to be Nole’s bad seeds winning by a landslide in most categories.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Nadal is the BOAT. Nadal leads the H2H in Grand Slams over both Federer and Djokovic. In effect, Nadal leads the H2H over Federer 9-3 in Grand Slams (including 3-1 at the Australian Open) and 9-6 over Djokovic (including 2-1 at the US Open). Nadal is the only man able to defeat prime Federer in a Grand Slam match on grass (Wimbledon 2008) and prime Djokovic in a Grand Slam match on hard courts (US Open 2013). Neither Federer nor Djokovic have ever defeated prime Nadal in a Grand Slam match on clay. In addition, Nadal has won at least 2 Grand Slams on each surface (hard, grass and clay), while Djokovic only has 1 Grand Slam on clay. It is true that there are 2 Grand Slams on hard courts, but 4 ÷ 2 = 2. Nadal averages 2 titles per Grand Slam on hard courts while Djokovic only averages 1 title per Grand Slam on clay. 2 >>1. Nadal is more complete than Djokovic in outdoor surfaces and more dominant in important matches since he leads the H2H over his main rivals in Grand Slam matches.

But Dustin Brown owns Nadal H2H so I have to disagree with you there, champ.

I rank Dustin ahead of Federer. Then Djokovic. Then Laver and Nadal tied for 4th.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Honestly, this right here is what makes this forum a really ugly place. Intellectually challenged trolls posing as fake fans spamming the forum with idiotic remarks.
And even though all groups have many rotten eggs, it has to be Nole’s bad seeds winning by a landslide in most categories.

Thank you for bringing me this excellent post of RF-18 to my attention. I liked it.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Sad really. The only Rafa fan still putting arguments out there for the Mallorcan is @Sport which is somewhat sad since nobody even bothers to reply to them because there’s really not much to argue about but respect to him for still trying. The rest have disappeared or joined the Djokovic bandwagon as this poster above has, even pretty much rooting for Djokovic in all matches now.

You then have posters like @MichaelNadal posting “epic” a few times along with nostalgic wrestling clips. @clayqueen sticks to mostly to Nadal News. You can drag @octobrina10 out of Nadal News every once in a while with a post about how many people watched Rafa practice or Rafa’s popularity vis-a-vis Federer’s.

Lol how are u gonna come for me just bc I dont care about whiny fanboy debates on here after 12 yrs? One day you too will realize no matter how great your "facts" are. GPPD will continue to endlessly roll on and your opinion with or without stats is meaningless. I like watching the guy play, im not here to convince anyone anything, more power to those that feel the need, its long since left my list of important things to do here.
 
Lol how are u gonna come for me just bc I dont care about whiny fanboy debates on here after 12 yrs? One day you too will realize no matter how great your "facts" are. GPPD will continue to endlessly roll on and your opinion with or without stats is meaningless. I like watching the guy play, im not here to convince anyone anything, more power to those that feel the need, its long since left my list of important things to do here.

Read the tone of the post, Johnny Groove. The part about you was made in jest because you don’t involve yourself in these debates anymore BECAUSE they are ridiculous and eventually, posters get burned out.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Honestly, this right here is what makes this forum a really ugly place. Intellectually challenged trolls posing as fake fans spamming the forum with idiotic remarks.
And even though all groups have many rotten eggs, it has to be Nole’s bad seeds winning by a landslide in most categories.
It only depends on who is currently winning. Novak is the one winning the most, so of course some of his fans will be insufferable. It is the same with some Fed fans when he is the one winning and it is the same with some Rafa fans when he is winning.

Watch those Rafa fans become their usual insufferable selves again during the clay season.
 

Pheasant

Legend
The slam count will answer the question. If age isn’t that important, then Djoker and Nadal will both will shatter the slam record. If it is important, then they won’t.

The fact that Djoker has won 3 straight at his age could spell doom for Federer. But let’s see how this all unfolds first.

I will say that Djoker is the bigger threat between him and Nadal to pass Fed. He is on a roll now. Also, Feds racket switch was not enough to beat Djoker. It did help him completely change his HTH vs the rest of the best players in the world by a big margin. But it wasn’t enough to overcome Djoker.

My gut feeling is this for a final slam count:

Djoker 21
Fed 20
Nadal 19

Nadal has declined and lost some foot speed, IMHO. Djoker is playing arguably the best tennis of his life now. This could all change change on a dime, due to age. The winner of this slam race is the one that I will call the GOAT.

With all of that being said, I believe that Fed needs another miracle run. I think that he really blew it last year. Maybe this year at Wimbledon will be it.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
(excluding themselves from the ranking)

Wins over no.1 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 26
Nadal 21
Federer 15

over top-2 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 51
Nadal 39
Federer 30

over top-3 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 58
Nadal 47
Federer 36

over top-4 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 65
Nadal 51
Federer 38

over top-5 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 68
Nadal 53
Federer 40
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
(excluding themselves from the ranking)

Wins over no.1 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 26
Nadal 21
Federer 15

over top-2 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 51
Nadal 39
Federer 30

over top-3 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 58
Nadal 47
Federer 36

over top-4 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 65
Nadal 51
Federer 38

over top-5 ranked Big4:

Djokovic 68
Nadal 53
Federer 40

How many majors between Djoker and Fed??
 

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
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joekapa

Legend
He speaks the truth. There is NO serious tennis commentator, who doesn't agree that Djokovic, peak to peak, is the best tennis player ever.

People who don't agree, are the one's who still think that McEnroe was better than Lendl.........
 

joekapa

Legend
Putting aside for a little moment that Tipsa is most likely biased anyways his statement as such does not make much sense as he implicitly admits that on clay Rafa’s best ist better than Djokovics best. So if we already break it down to surfaces it is also plain obvious to me that Djokos best is nowhere near the best of Sampras or Federer on fast surfaces (grass fast hard or carpet). This leaves us with slow HC where I am inclined to agree with Tipsarevic.
whatever.
In a round robin tournament, on all surfaces, peak to peak.......Djokovic would come out winner.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
He speaks the truth. There is NO serious tennis commentator, who doesn't agree that Djokovic, peak to peak, is the best tennis player ever.

People who don't agree, are the one's who still think that McEnroe was better than Lendl.........

LOL. so anyone who doesn't say Djokovic peak to peak is the best tennis player ever isn't a serious commentator ?
Hilarious "logic"

the only set of conditions where Djokovic can be argued to be best peak to peak is slow HC.
not clay, not grass, not faster HC.
 

Flash O'Groove

Hall of Fame
He speaks the truth. There is NO serious tennis commentator, who doesn't agree that Djokovic, peak to peak, is the best tennis player ever.

People who don't agree, are the one's who still think that McEnroe was better than Lendl.........

The funny thing is that everyone believe McEnroe's peak is higher than Lendl, and hardly anybody believe McEnroe is the better player of the two. Reaching a high peak is impressibe, but it's the ability to play regularly at a high level that allow to win a lot of tournaments.

If we ranked tennis players by peak only, a lot of players with really poor achievements would be up there. They did had a high peak. They simply never sustained it.

Just wait for the end of Djokovic's career to see if he pass Federer achievements wise. In any case, serious commentator will drool on the peak of a new players in 3 years. That's what they are paid for.
 

joekapa

Legend
The funny thing is that everyone believe McEnroe's peak is higher than Lendl, and hardly anybody believe McEnroe is the better player of the two. Reaching a high peak is impressibe, but it's the ability to play regularly at a high level that allow to win a lot of tournaments.

If we ranked tennis players by peak only, a lot of players with really poor achievements would be up there. They did had a high peak. They simply never sustained it.

Just wait for the end of Djokovic's career to see if he pass Federer achievements wise. In any case, serious commentator will drool on the peak of a new players in 3 years. That's what they are paid for.
My friend, it's also who you beat that matters.
 
whatever.
In a round robin tournament, on all surfaces, peak to peak.......Djokovic would come out winner.
Based on what exactly? Federer would beat him on grass, carpet and would be highly competitive - to say the least- on clay. Even if we do not distinguish between fast and slow hard and give hard overall to Djokovic he would struggle against Federer. Same with Borg or Sampras.
 

joekapa

Legend
Based on what exactly? Federer would beat him on grass, carpet and would be highly competitive - to say the least- on clay. Even if we do not distinguish between fast and slow hard and give hard overall to Djokovic he would struggle against Federer. Same with Borg or Sampras.
Need I remind you that Djokovic has beaten Federer in 2 Wimby Finals, plus a number of times on the (fast) US Open. Saying that Federer is a better fast court player than Djokovic, is stretching it to say the least.
 
Need I remind you that Djokovic has beaten Federer in 2 Wimby Finals, plus a number of times on the (fast) US Open. Saying that Federer is a better fast court player than Djokovic, is stretching it to say the least.
Need I remind you that this was 1) Not exactly peak vs. peak and 2) not exactly fast surfaces. If we talk peak vs peak on fast surfaces like 90s grass or carpet it is not really a question in my opinion. When they met on a medium fast HC in Cincinnati final 2015 even past peak Federer beat peakest of peak Djokovic, albeit only in Bo3.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Need I remind you that Djokovic has beaten Federer in 2 Wimby Finals, plus a number of times on the (fast) US Open. Saying that Federer is a better fast court player than Djokovic, is stretching it to say the least.
It really, REALLY isn't. Rather than looking at the head to head in particular Wimbledon finals when Federer was ~33 years old and Djokovic ~27 (and peaking), look at things like: Style of play - Taking time away from the opponent, quality of serve, all court presence etc., number of Wimbledon titles, grass tune up titles (which has actually remained faster grass than Wimbledon in all instances), Cincinnati titles, Dubai titles... It's not that Federer would win every match - indeed, Djokovic has beaten Federer in faster conditions - but it's just a case of probability being in Federer's favour given their respective affinity for that type of surface. Oh and saying he has beaten Fed 'a number of times' on the 'fast' US Open (i.e. including 2010, 2011 and 2015) is disingenuous to military standards.
 
It really, REALLY isn't. Rather than looking at the head to head in particular Wimbledon finals when Federer was ~33 years old and Djokovic ~27 (and peaking), look at things like: Style of play - Taking time away from the opponent, quality of serve, all court presence etc., number of Wimbledon titles, grass tune up titles (which has actually remained faster grass than Wimbledon in all instances), Cincinnati titles, Dubai titles... It's not that Federer would win every match - indeed, Djokovic has beaten Federer in faster conditions - but it's just a case of probability being in Federer's favour given their respective affinity for that type of surface. Oh and saying he has beaten Fed 'a number of times' on the 'fast' US Open (i.e. including 2010, 2011 and 2015) is disingenuous to military standards.
Fully agree. Even if we do not really have indicative matches with both of them at their peak comparing their respective playing style should actually tell you all you need to know about hypothetical encounters. Fast surfaces completely play into Federer's strengths compared to Djokovic.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
2015 W and 2015USO were peak for peak Djokovic-Federer encounters according to statements of both players.
 

joekapa

Legend
It really, REALLY isn't. Rather than looking at the head to head in particular Wimbledon finals when Federer was ~33 years old and Djokovic ~27 (and peaking), look at things like: Style of play - Taking time away from the opponent, quality of serve, all court presence etc., number of Wimbledon titles, grass tune up titles (which has actually remained faster grass than Wimbledon in all instances), Cincinnati titles, Dubai titles... It's not that Federer would win every match - indeed, Djokovic has beaten Federer in faster conditions - but it's just a case of probability being in Federer's favour given their respective affinity for that type of surface. Oh and saying he has beaten Fed 'a number of times' on the 'fast' US Open (i.e. including 2010, 2011 and 2015) is disingenuous to military standards.
Good enough to make the final, but not good enough to beat Djokovic in them.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Good enough to make the final, but not good enough to beat Djokovic in them.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
What point does this even make? Sure Roger was good enough at 33/34 to reach the Wimbledon final, but came up short (albeit in competitive matches) against a peaking 27/28 year old ATG. How on Earth does that detract from the rather evident idea that Roger is typically a better player than said ATG in faster conditions? Is it 'win every match or bust'? What kind of goalpost do you call that? If you're just going to label my refutation of your limited and heavily nuanced examples as 'excuses' and call it a day then we're done.
 

HazBeen18

Rookie
The countrymen vote is fairly meaningless. Ask Stan who the greatest of all time is. Ask Moya. Ask Michael Jordan who he wants on his own personal Dream Team and he picks "Scottie Pippen"?!!!?!!!!!!!
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Really, Tipsy...

What if you transported Djokovic back in time to approximately 1965, and played him against that era's greatest players using their equipment and conditions? He'd win some, and lose a lot. Gonzales and Laver would eat him for breakfast. The further back in time one goes, the worse Djokovic would lose. He's not beating Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry, and Don Budge in 1930s conditions either.

Tipsy's conclusion can only be true for Djokovic's own era, as the head to head numbers already clearly reveal, so it's not a stunning discovery. Best of all time my arse.
 
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Deleted member 763024

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Is this the only thing they have going for them in serbia?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Need I remind you that Djokovic has beaten Federer in 2 Wimby Finals, plus a number of times on the (fast) US Open. Saying that Federer is a better fast court player than Djokovic, is stretching it to say the least.

I agree with you.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
What point does this even make? Sure Roger was good enough at 33/34 to reach the Wimbledon final, but came up short (albeit in competitive matches) against a peaking 27/28 year old ATG. How on Earth does that detract from the rather evident idea that Roger is typically a better player than said ATG in faster conditions? Is it 'win every match or bust'? What kind of goalpost do you call that? If you're just going to label my refutation of your limited and heavily nuanced examples as 'excuses' and call it a day then we're done.
You're talking to a brick wall!
 
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Deleted member 763024

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04-06 Roger destroys 2011 Novak 9 times out of 10 on any fast surface.

Not beat. D e s t r o y.

Novak finally won one against grandpa Fed at Cincy and that is the last of what one might call a somewhat fast court remaining on tour. They slowed down even Dubai.


Where’s @tipsa...don'tlikehim! when you need him?
 
This thread is arrant nonsense. Djokovic lost at his most recent event - he couldn't even beat the aging journeyman Philipp Kohlschreiber. By contrast, he who really is the goat - Rafael Nadal - not only didn't lose at his most recent tournament but has never lost in his entire career. Never losing in one's entire career > losing at one's most recent tournament.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I agree with you.

This guy was a complete and utter buffoon, no ? :)

Feds serve held him in the match.

But his ground game wasn't good enough, but anyway it's still a tough task to win a match against djokovic if you are gonna play long rallies with him. You can't beat him off the baseline, especially for fed cause he is way too old and not the same player he was. So rushing the net more and trying to finish the points fast was the obvious tactics for Federer, and of course the serve.

Federer was too predictable in my opinion. Djokovic knew he would win the baseline battle, so feds option was that the serve had to work almost perfectly (wich it did) and the net play. But fed in his prime years, would have been able to out master djokovic from the baseline, and also play at the net, wich would make him much more unpredictable.

Djokovic is a great grass court player, but there is no way I see him beat prime fed in london. Those who thinks it was fed nearly at his best last year, can think so, but you are delusional then. You can use the stats how much you want, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Over several meetings Djokovic would be able to beat prime fed on grass I think because he would get used to him and also find new tactics, but if they met the first time back in that time in the final it's Fed in 4 at worst.

I'm not trying to disrespect Djokovic, federer is still a very good grass court player and of course his best surface along with indoor hard, djokovic did amazing no doubt about it, but it's ignorant to not acknowledge that federer is not the same player on grass anymore.
 
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This guy was a complete and utter buffoon, no ? :)

Yes, he was. After all, he posted a long thread about supposedly great players and he never once mentioned the true, unquestioned goat of both tennis and life, Rafael Nadal. So, it is no surprise that the same poster would later post such a bad thread as this one, as I noted in post #244.
 

Luka888

Professional
Well, well ... here we go again. Djokovic CAN play on all surfaces. He can adjust. No question there. People used to say 'well he couldn't play on grass'. He won 4W. It's not a joke. Then ' he can't play on clay' ... well. He can't play on fast HC. He did.

I'd rather listen to older pro players than journalists btw. We can't measure exactly a 'peak' of a player. It's silly.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Really, Tipsy...

What if you transported Djokovic back in time to approximately 1965, and played him against that era's greatest players using their equipment and conditions? He'd win some, and lose a lot. Gonzales and Laver would eat him for breakfast. The further back in time one goes, the worse Djokovic would lose. He's not beating Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry, and Don Budge in 1930s conditions either.

Tipsy's conclusion can only be true for Djokovic's own era, as the head to head numbers already clearly reveal, so it's not a stunning discovery. Best of all time my arse.
Until 1973 only 4 nations won the Davis Cup.

Now many more people play tennis so the level of players is much higher.
 
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