I really hope Nadal never plays this "tournament" again
- Thread starter StrongRule
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I corrected my error.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic's results in WTF 2011:
Win over Berdych 3-6 6-3 7-6(7-3)
Loss against Ferrer 3-6 1-6
Loss against Tipsarevic 6-3 3-6 3-6
And with these results he was extremely close to reaching the semifinals. Worse than Nadal's results this year, no? The only thing that stopped him from reaching the semifinals is that Berdych managed to come back and beat Ferrer. And make no mistake, Djokovic would have probably won the title if he got out of the group. So as you can see @mike danny too much things depend on luck in this tournament. Nadal this year had clearly better results than Djokovic in 2011.
Win over Berdych 3-6 6-3 7-6(7-3)
Loss against Ferrer 3-6 1-6
Loss against Tipsarevic 6-3 3-6 3-6
And with these results he was extremely close to reaching the semifinals. Worse than Nadal's results this year, no? The only thing that stopped him from reaching the semifinals is that Berdych managed to come back and beat Ferrer. And make no mistake, Djokovic would have probably won the title if he got out of the group. So as you can see @mike danny too much things depend on luck in this tournament. Nadal this year had clearly better results than Djokovic in 2011.
Yugram
Legend
Wait for it, there’s still opportunity for Federer to grab his 6th Big Moral Title this season if he goes 2-6 against Thiem or 2-5 (What a disgrace for so called GOAT, omg) against Zverev on Sunday.
augustobt
Legend
Because rules are only unfair when they hit Nadal.
Like 2 year calendar
Like serving on time
Goddamn this anti-Rafa mafia who skewed the rules way before humbralito became a professional tennis player
I don't fancy the old timer's chances against Thiem or Zverev.
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
agree. it's an exhibition and nothing else. allowing a player who is already eliminated to play a player who has to win to get in and knock out another player is dumb.
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
if it was like a real slam it would have been bo5 and zverev would have lost.
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
no. he would have played berretini in the first round.
Just win all matches and it's easy. His own fault.
Keizer
Hall of Fame
If WTF was a real slam and Rafa had to face the prospect of playing BO5 on indoor hards at the end of a season every season, he'd have withdrawn like 12 times instead of 6.
Nadal plays in a strong era so what did you expect? Easy opponents.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
What a bias and unfair list. The ONLY one you got right is 2019. Hint: the same guy was the moral champion at all the other iterations of this event, too.
Looks like they mostly favour multislam winners and #1-at-stage ranked players in the world.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
don't be so harsh with the nadal, guys: any educated tennis fan could see he was clearly injured during the zverev-medvedev match
thank you / muchas gracias.
please don't confuse the tormented vamosalaplayan minds with basic logic
thank you / muchas gracias.
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don't be so harsh with the nadal, guys: any educated tennis fan could see he was clearly injured during the zverev-medvedev match
please don't confuse the tormented vamosalaplayan minds with basic logic
thanks you / muchas gracias.
He recovered real quick for his next 2 matches. High five his medical team.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
did you read the previous post properly ?...
did you read the previous post properly ?...
eh........ No.
did you read the previous post properly ?...
Vive le beau jeu !, Is Clay-deprivation a real disease?
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
This is pretty good comedy material, keep it coming!
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mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
That's right, all Federer had to do was to beat Djokovic. Piece of cake compared to beating Zverev, Tsitsipas and Medvedev I grant you.
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StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
At least everything depended only on him.
He got the year end number 1 what else do you want? he didnt deserve to make sf on what he did out there
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Yawn. You can dislike the RR format in tennis of course - in fact they were trying to bring it in for other tournaments done years ago, and I disliked that immensely.
I think it sort of works for the WTF because you have the eight best players in the world, and it's a different event anyway. But even if you don't like it, stop acting as if it is somehow unfair. The same rules go for all the players. And if Nadal had won his remaining two matches in straight sets, be would have likely still progressed to the semis. He didn't, so he didn't. C'est la vie.
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I think it sort of works for the WTF because you have the eight best players in the world, and it's a different event anyway. But even if you don't like it, stop acting as if it is somehow unfair. The same rules go for all the players. And if Nadal had won his remaining two matches in straight sets, be would have likely still progressed to the semis. He didn't, so he didn't. C'est la vie.
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ghostofMecir
Legend
If he didn’t get ripped apart by Zverev, things would be different. He’s lucky Medvedev choked hard. He’s had how many tries at winning this thing? The real issue is that he can’t get cushy draws and has to actually play more than one good player to win a title.
Actually he did have a cushy draw (h2hs before event started)
Leading 4-1 h2h against Tsitsipas.
Leading 5-0 h2h against Zverev.
Leading 2-0 h2h against Medvedev.
Nadal is 11-1 h2h against all 3 of them. H2H is the most important indicator of ability to Nadal fans so chump draw all the way.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yeah, Rafa was completely helpless from the start....
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Because of the way his own group transpired. If there had been a 3 way tie, there's the possibility that Roger would have exited just like Nadal.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Nah. It’s been a while since I’ve seen esp Djokovic and Nadal this fired up. it matters to them, reg of what ttw thinks of it.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If Nadal had won a set against Zverev and won his other matches in straight sets, he would have topped the group.
Not depending on him my behind.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Looks like we are going over and over again, in a circle. Bottom line, I get the rules and I just think they are stupid. Djokovic destroyed the field last year and then lost a final to Zverev who was totally destroyed by him earlier in the tournament. Not that I'm complaining about that result, but that's not what should happen in a normal tournament.
Meles
Bionic Poster
mike danny
Bionic Poster
In a normal tournament, Nadal would have been out 4 days ago. So I don't get the complaining.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Actually, this tournament has fairer rules than any other tournament. Winning a close match vs. a top 8 player isn’t rewards he same as winning convincingly, something Zverev and Federer did. If you win all three matches then even that doesn’t matter.
Also, no ******** USO 2010,2013,2017 draws here.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The rules are very delicate.
Look at 2009 WTF. Federer, Delpo and Murray were neck and neck in their group. All 3 had a 2-1 record and a 5-4 sets win-loss percentage. The final tiebreaker was the games win-loss percentage and Murray ended up last here and thus went out.
It is what it is. When 3 guys have an equal chance of qualifying, a tiebreaker has to exist. Not everybody can win.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
If Djokovic in a slam final is an easy draw then why is Federer 4-1 down against him in slam finals?
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Yes. He should have withdrawn instead of winning more points that will help him next year. And he should have just tanked today, figuring there was a 50/50 chance he wouldn't make the finals. It was all a waste, continuing to improve his serve and overall game on HC, indoors, right? Because that could not possibly pay dividends in the coming 2020 AO. Right?
And tanking, or just withdrawing would have looked great, right? I mean it's not like every Nadal hater would have attacked him for not giving his best? Right? Acting like a total spoiled brat, just like YOU are doing over and very again here, would have gained him a lot more fans right?
Sure, Nadal should act just like you. You are presenting yourself here as a whiny little brat. If you are over the age of 15, you should be ashamed of yourself. There are other loyal, sane fans who are disappointed. I'M DISAPPOINTED. I wanted another Fedal match. And I think Nadal fought like a champion in the last two matches.
So why don't you just do us ALL a favor and SHUT UP.
RaulRamirez
Legend
SR, Your incessant whining about the format doesn't do you, Rafa or his fans (of which I am one) any favors. In some cases, it also brings out the salty, sarcastic (and obvious) remarks of his detractors.
For what it's worth, Rafa showed his usual talent and heart in beating Med, and winning versus Tsit, who really did battle...unlike Thiem and Med today, who weren't really into it.
I started a thread with suggestions of things I'd like to change about this tourney, but the rules are known to all players beforehand. To be honest, not winning this tourney should not at all disqualify Rafa from mythical GOAThood.
Despite all his injuries, his resume already compares well with any OE player.
For what it's worth, Rafa showed his usual talent and heart in beating Med, and winning versus Tsit, who really did battle...unlike Thiem and Med today, who weren't really into it.
I started a thread with suggestions of things I'd like to change about this tourney, but the rules are known to all players beforehand. To be honest, not winning this tourney should not at all disqualify Rafa from mythical GOAThood.
Despite all his injuries, his resume already compares well with any OE player.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Yup to all of it. He's right in the race for best of the Big 3, and at this point every point counts. I didn't follow points, but I heard he earned 400, so he got 400 points for three matches after losing the 1st.
To me everything points to improvement on HC. He stepped in closer a few times, great net play, a few impressive aces. I think the oldest #1 in the history of open tennis. He could do very well at AO. The only thing that stops him at this point is his body betraying him. His return stats are holding up as well or better than the other Big 3, so with his improving serve that's a great sign.
I want young players to break through, so I'm not seriously backing him for a run in 2020, but to be honest he actually looks pretty good - an understatement.
SR is just inviting irrational, unfair attacks from people who hate Nadal. His whole stance is just stupid and should be an embarrassment for any sane fan of Rafa.
Agreed .. the cry baby b1tching and moaning from his pathetic fan base is almost intolerable.
duaneeo
Legend
Bottom line, Nadal hasn't won a title at any of the current indoor hard tournaments...Rotterdam (0-2), Basel (0-4), Paris (0-7), or this "tournament" (0-9).
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal won 2 matches in this tournament, and he got treated EXACTLY like Medvedev who went 0-3. Yes, this is annoying. IMO it's one big joke when Federer or Djokovic fans compare this "tournament" to slams. Nadal shouldn't be bashed for not winning it. Actually, he should never play it again. (and I think he will not play it. He plays it once in a few years anyway)
RaulRamirez
Legend
He doesn't represent Nadal, or me, and I don't represent Rafa, Novak or anyone - just my own opinions. It sounds vain, but I wish everyone posted in this spirit, regardless of whether they share the same rooting interests or opinions.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Don’t think any Rafa fan goes around saying indoor HC is Rafas best surface.
he is unlucky WTF isnt on any other surface. Even grass is better for him than this.
Sephiroth
Hall of Fame
Now you know what it feels like when you lot discredit RG and clay, take your own medicine loser.
Rogfan
Professional
Poor Nadal, tournaments always find a way to disadvantage him. Outrageous. I remember when he lost the 2nd seed in Wimbledon, Wimbledon made up the rule just the night before to favour Federer and disadvantage Nadal. Now they did it again! Making up the rule that we look at sets win-loss after match win-loss to determine ranking in the group only after Nadal won his last match. Such injustice!
JaoSousa
Hall of Fame
How? Explain it to me.
Rogfan
Professional
I’m sure if somehow Meddy took a set off Zeverv or won today, therefore Nadal qualified, the rule wouldn’t be stupid according to you anymore
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