Has anyone tried the 5.2 Diet?

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I fasted...I lasted all of 7 minutes.
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I have always been a faster. Especially after the holidays, I just get s sick of eating, which is saying something for a foodie like me. But I find I mentally just get sick of eating so much and it really is about having the mindset that you don't need a lot of food intake to run your body. The oddest part for me is, normally I spend TONS of time bying, prepping, and eating food as a whole experience, when I am fasting and not eating much I end up with large blocks of time back. It is crazy to realize just how much time and mental focus of life is spent on food. I think that alone is worth the exprience of fasting and learning to break what I consider our unhealthy focus on food as an experience and not as simply the way we give ourselves energy to do everything else.
 
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2 subwoofers is a bit much. Might be somewhat taxing on the liver and kidneys... not to mention the waistline. Consider a 5.1 diet instead.

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ChaelAZ

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So been doing more alternating fasting now as a regular schedule. Mostly eating one meal of about 1500 to 1800 calories around 10-12am, then not eating the next day until the same time. So that would be considered like a 22/2 (22 hour fast with a two hour eating window). Did a full 32 hour fast yesterday, ate at 6pm Tuesday and did no eat until 3am this morning. So no calories at all while fasting, but I do drink black coffee. Last night was the first night I actually felt hungry, but nothing I couldn't mentally handle. Drinking TONS of water and peeing like every 20 minutes is a pain, but I think that is helping a ton. I am also trying to cut down on sugars except fruits.

While I am not playing tennis right now, I am doing medium intesity walks for about 60 minutes of time throughout a day.

Really liking how I feel overall and definitely seeing weight/fat loss. I think this might be my norm moving forward, with one meal a day or at least a small eating window and at least 12 hours of fasting between. As mentioned, I started January 1st at 220.8 lbs. and was around 209 lbs. last Friday the 17th.. So lost about 12 pounds in 17 days. I am hoping to be around 205 by tomorrow, but would be happy with dropping a couple pounds a week. For me, I know the first 10 lbs always come off quick and then things moderate, but I think I can definitely hit my goal of 180 lbs. by April 1st, if not before.

I did some pics Jan 1st and some last week and it is amazing the difference. If you are doing this make sure you take photos so you can actually see the differences.

Anyone else still doing this? How is it going for you?
 
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ChaelAZ said:
So been doing more alternating fasting now as a regular schedule. Mostly eating one meal of about 1500 to 1800 calories around 10-12am, then not eating the next day until the same time. So that would be considered like a 22/2 (22 hour fast with a two hour eating window). Did a full 32 hour fast yesterday, ate at 6pm Tuesday and did no eat until 3am this morning. So no calories at all while fasting, but I do drink black coffee. Last night was the first night I actually felt hungry, but nothing I couldn't mentally handle. Drinking TONS of water and peeing like every 20 minutes is a pain, but I think that is helping a ton. I am also trying to cut down on sugars except fruits.

While I am not playing tennis right now, I am doing medium intesity walks for about 60 minutes of time throughout a day.

Really liking how I feel overall and definitely seeing weight/fat loss. I think this might be my norm moving forward, with one meal a day or at least a small eating window and at least 12 hours of fasting between. As mentioned, I started January 1st at 220.8 lbs. and was around 209 lbs. last Friday the 17th.. So lost about 12 pounds in 17 days. I am hoping to be around 205 by tomorrow, but would be happy with dropping a couple pounds a week. For me, I know the first 10 lbs always come off quick and then things moderate, but I think I can definitely hit my goal of 180 lbs. by April 1st, if not before.

I did some pics Jan 1st and some last week and it is amazing the difference. If you are doing this make sure you take photos so you can actually see the differences.

Anyone else still doing this? How is it going for you?
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see this is where most people doing fasting can survive and I can’t as I don’t drink coffee or tea and water makes me feel sick if I drink a ton of it. So on diet days when I’m fasting I drink Coke No Sugar and or Hot Chocolates that have low calories in them as I still need flavour. Although would prefer if I could drink water and or Tea etc but it just tastes bad.

I never take photos bc my weight only goes up and down between 66kgs - 64kgs but I can‘t do a heap of exercise which is where it doesn’t help me. My hips are stuffed and need replacing eventually so I’m not aloud to run or do any strenuous exercise with my hips the way they are so it’s difficult for me to lose more weight.
 
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Rafaisdabest said:
see this is where most people doing fasting can survive and I can’t as I don’t drink coffee or tea and water makes me feel sick if I drink a ton of it. So on diet days when I’m fasting I drink Coke No Sugar and or Hot Chocolates that have low calories in them as I still need flavour. Although would prefer if I could drink water and or Tea etc but it just tastes bad.

I never take photos bc my weight only goes up and down between 66kgs - 64kgs but I can‘t do a heap of exercise which is where it doesn’t help me. My hips are stuffed and need replacing eventually so I’m not aloud to run or do any strenuous exercise with my hips the way they are so it’s difficult for me to lose more weight.
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Have you tried the flavored sparkling waters or even like Mio water enhancer? I'm kind of the same way in that just plain water is difficult for me to drink. I need some kind of flavor, so I usually go in for the sparkling waters they sell at HEB (local grocery chain, similar to your Woolworth's).
 
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Have you tried the flavored sparkling waters or even like Mio water enhancer? I'm kind of the same way in that just plain water is difficult for me to drink. I need some kind of flavor, so I usually go in for the sparkling waters they sell at HEB (local grocery chain, similar to your Woolworth's).
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No. Although been told to try sparkling water before. Just haven't but will try some now and see how I go. Thanks.
 
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Rafaisdabest said:
see this is where most people doing fasting can survive and I can’t as I don’t drink coffee or tea and water makes me feel sick if I drink a ton of it. So on diet days when I’m fasting I drink Coke No Sugar and or Hot Chocolates that have low calories in them as I still need flavour. Although would prefer if I could drink water and or Tea etc but it just tastes bad.

I never take photos bc my weight only goes up and down between 66kgs - 64kgs but I can‘t do a heap of exercise which is where it doesn’t help me. My hips are stuffed and need replacing eventually so I’m not aloud to run or do any strenuous exercise with my hips the way they are so it’s difficult for me to lose more weight.
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Yeah, those Mio things are what my family likes. I will add a sprinkle of the Crystal Light Peach Green Tea flavor packs to water sometimes, but I ha e gotten more used to drinking a lot of water so no carbs for me while fasting. Not sure the .5 grams in a pack would make a difference so worth trying.

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ChaelAZ said:
Yeah, those Mio things are what my family likes. I will add a sprinkle of the Crystal Light Peach Green Tea flavor packs to water sometimes, but I ha e gotten more used to drinking a lot of water so no carbs for me while fasting. Not sure the .5 grams in a pack would make a difference so worth trying.

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Thanks also.
Although I have tried low calorie flavoured Tea’s too but got sick of them too easily. Maybe I’ll try the Sparkling Flavoured Water instead because it’s similar to soft drink which my body likes but at least it seems more healthier than soft drinks actually are.
 
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As mentioned, I started January 1st at 220.8 lbs. and was around 209 lbs. last Friday the 17th.. So lost about 12 pounds in 17 days. I am hoping to be around 205 by tomorrow, but would be happy with dropping a couple pounds a week.
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Wowza. Weighed in at 204.5 this morning! Really feeling good overall and this meal timing change has been good for me. Not feeling hungry, and actually eating less when I do eat. And no loss in energy for me. Wife also start just over a week and half ago and weighed in 6 pounds down this morning. Worth trying if you are on the fence.

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ChaelAZ said:
Yeah, those Mio things are what my family likes. I will add a sprinkle of the Crystal Light Peach Green Tea flavor packs to water sometimes, but I ha e gotten more used to drinking a lot of water so no carbs for me while fasting. Not sure the .5 grams in a pack would make a difference so worth trying.

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Yeah, I also love the Crystal Light packets as well. Mix the Strawberry (Caffeine one) with the regular lemonade and it's just wonderful. (y)
 
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Rafaisdabest said:
Thanks also.
Although I have tried low calorie flavoured Tea’s too but got sick of them too easily. Maybe I’ll try the Sparkling Flavoured Water instead because it’s similar to soft drink which my body likes but at least it seems more healthier than soft drinks actually are.
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I remember when I visited, I went to Woolworth's a few times and their sparkling waters were actually really good. You might want to give them a try. In Melbourne, my dad and I stayed in a suburb area called Box Hill, which was like Asian town. We would walk from the hotel to the main shopping area and pick stuff up at the Woolworth's there.
 
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I remember when I visited, I went to Woolworth's a few times and their sparkling waters were actually really good. You might want to give them a try. In Melbourne, my dad and I stayed in a suburb area called Box Hill, which was like Asian town. We would walk from the hotel to the main shopping area and pick stuff up at the Woolworth's there.
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ohhh I’m on diet day today and went to Woolies earlier and forgot to get some lol next diet day I will have to remember too.
 
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5.2 is a great intermittent fasting thingy. But it is important how you end your fasting. What you eat right after fasting. Very, very, very important.

Also if you want to lose weight, fornication helps a lot. Sex is a great sport.
 
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5.2 is a great intermittent fasting thingy. But it is important how you end your fasting. What you eat right after fasting. Very, very, very important.

Also if you want to lose weight, fornication helps a lot. Sex is a great sport.
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Actually calories burned during sex aren’t even as high as a steady state medium pace walk for the same amount of time.

For me I also haven’t had any issues with what I eat after fasting days. I do tend to eat very little sugars though overall, so I suppose if someone had a bunch of donuts after 24 hours of no eating it wouldn’t be as good for the body.

And, of course, you can’t just mindlessly chow calories and should be at most at maintenance calories for the day or continue at a deficit.


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Actually calories burned during sex aren’t even as high as a steady state medium pace walk for the same amount of time.

For me I also haven’t had any issues with what I eat after fasting days. I do tend to eat very little sugars though overall, so I suppose if someone had a bunch of donuts after 24 hours of no eating it wouldn’t be as good for the body.

And, of course, you can’t just mindlessly chow calories and should be at most at maintenance calories for the day or continue at a deficit.


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unfortunately I do eat a lot of crap the day after lol but don’t go overboard but when I was originally doing it I ate at midnight which occasionally I still do if starving but if I think I can fast till next day I do. Although when I’m not dieting I don’t eat healthy on my days off so might have something to do with why I only maintain my weight and not lose it as much. Although weighed myself today and I’m 64.7kgs which is good for me.
 
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unfortunately I do eat a lot of crap the day after lol but don’t go overboard.
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The biggest thing for me is not eating over my maintenance calories. My average calories burned on an active day are around 3000, and with eating once in about a 24 hour period as I have, it is REALLY hard to eat even that much in one sitting. Like this weekend Friday was an eating day and I decided to do a normal 3 meal day and I was able to consume 3098 calories, but with exercise my net intake was only about 2400 calories, which is still at a deficit. My last meal Friday was at 6pm. So Saturday I didn't eat until 6pm again and I had a huge 2 cup bowl of pasta and marinara sauce with meat, as well as 3 alcholo seltzer drinks for a about 1500 calories. Again, after exercise for the day my net calories was only around 700, so a large deficit day. And Sunday I didn't eat again until 6pm last night and we went to Carabas Italian for my son's bday and I splurge on a meal that was 2500 calories (ceasar salad, bread with olive oil, roma chicken breast with a mound of garlic mashed potatoes, but with the little exercise I did my net calories was only 2200. Today I won't eat at all, but tomorrow morning I will eat by 6am and I suspsect I will be around 2500-3000 calories for the day tomorrow, but with execise net will be around 2500, so still deficit.

I really don't limit myself when I do eat, but only eat as much as I am hungry for which tends to be low enough to keep myself in deficit every day. Even with what looks like, and felt like a lot of food this weekend, for fun I weighed myself this morning and I was already down another 1.5 pounds since Friday.

I will say Sunday both my wife and I felt hungry in the morning but we both just kind of kept ourselves busy, and I even got in a tennis match, and we made it until we went out to Carabas. That was the first 'hungry' day we had though since starting. Also interesting, with the 24 hours of fasting we do and eating less overall, when I do eat food is tasting SOOOO much better, but that is probably a mental thing! lol.
 
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I read this today....

I've been fasting for seven days every second month and have gone as long as ten. I do two days a week pretty regularly although at xmas things fell apart a little.

My meditation practice definitely helped with the hunger which is just a sensation. As is eating, And all sensations pass.

The benefits have to be experienced to be believed. Astonishing increase in energy and alertness, Of course a bit of weight loss although not nearly as much as I anticipated but then I weigh the same as I did 43 years ago. You save a fair whack too which is a good thing.

I have to say that I was astonished by the amount of crap. literally. which was coming out of me seven days into my first fast. On day seven I did a massive turd, which after not eating for seven days, had me wondering what goes on in my gut. I've found now that farting on day three and four is extremely risky and like Cisco the smell can be quite overpowering,

The biggest lesson I have learned about it is the fact that the dietary advice we are given by the government agencies and mainstream medicine is pretty suss.

When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
 
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When I first started I was talking to a great big fat bloke about it and he assured me that what I was doing was dangerous. I had the decency to keep quiet with regard to his obesity!
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I don't treat my eating and exercise like crossfit, were all they do is talk it about it. I do have people ask, and when it is an approriate place like here I do enjoy sharing. I have people claim even the 24-36 hours isn't good for me, but I just send them out to the research and findings. Although most do not recommend dong longer than 72 hours without specific doctor support and medical reasons, if it works for you then it works. I am finding 24-36 hours is working, but haven't tried longer yet. Honestly, I feel much better for energy and focus and I don't feel like I am starving, all with very good fat loss, so I don't feel I need to explore beyond that yet.
 
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I am glad that more people are accepting or embracing fasting as beneficial. This is a step in the right direction. The journey though.. is toward a state of peace and relaxed way of eating that one does not need to think about it.

There is a lot of unnecessary preoccupation thinking about what to eat, how many calories is in what food, how much and when to eat.. I doubt people do it for fun, but some do it and become obsess with it. Well, in this world we seems to embrace more is better so we want to know more, controlling more, and more gets you more ... basically more stress. Like somebody said, it is a mindset. After you understand and accept a few certain fundamental facts then just let go. Don't fuzz with it. It is all good.

When my doctor said I was pre-diabetic I began to worry because everyone in my father's side died from diabetes. At the time, I believe that Asian Have to have rice in their meals. Then I did some reading and research trying to find the magic diet, magic food.. well I learned that carbohydrate is basically evil to our body. So now we eat less than 50% of rice we used to eat. I pretty much stop using sugar in my cooking. And I stop baking bread, but make pizza sometimes. We looked into intermitten fasting, tried 2-5 then 8-16. But we love a nice cut of juicy steak. We skip breakfast as sort of intermitten fasting but not quite 8-16. We enjoy food when we have good food or cook. We grow food and eat some of it. And sometimes we just skip. We simply do not worry about food any more. Yeah, we are aware of what we eat but we are not obsessed with it. Make most of our own food which is better than take-outs. We waste less food. And we feel pretty health.

I guess most people are too far off the "zone" to be at this stage. But I hope you can get to there.

Ok, some idea .. 1. Fasting is better for health than eating 3 meals a day. You, me, everybody's DNA has genes from ancesters who survived famine. Starvation was a normal occurance in human history. So going hungry is normal. Eating 3 meals is a recent human invention. 2. Human brain is plastic, you can change, your thoughts can change. So ... change. 3. Don't be silly, counting calories is a concept that simplify how energy is converting. The reality is much more complicated than that. Plus low fat or sugarless products are generally worse than the real thing.

I am not looking for arguments. I do hope I get some people to think about it. Live well, peace!
 
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I have just started this week,
It's where you fast for 2 days but on those days if you're a woman like me you can only eat 400 calories if you are a man 600 Calories, you don't have to do the exercise but if you do it's once a week for 3 mins and intensely, I struggled first day because you can only drink water and tea or coffee and I don't like any of them but I drank water with much difficulty, anyways just want to know if anyone else has tried this method of dieting? And what do they think?
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I tried the eat every 3 days diet. And a cheat day on sunday. It works.
 
ChaelAZ

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Still working with meal timing and long er fasting between meals - basically one meal a day During the week and monderated eating as much as possible on the weekends. As posted earilier, dropped 20 pounds as of last Friday (200.4 lbs weigh-in), but with Super Bowl and such I absolutely chowed Saturday and Sunday so was back up a bit (Monday morning was 203.5 lbs). Got back on track for the week and had a weigh-in this morning of 199.0 lbs and plan on staying on track through the weekend and into next week. Goals is 196 lbs by next Friday. Still feeling good and been out on court enjoying the reduced knee pain and lighter feel.

Well worth the bit of sacrifice in the short term for long term quality of life.
 
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Just did my diet day today will weigh myself tomorrow when I get up. Last time I checked I was 64.9kgs so slightly heavier than my previous weight but nothing much to be agro over. Still yet to try sparkling water. One thing I do drink is Jarrah Hot Chocolate. They’re quite nice and similar to the non diet Hot Chocolates. They’re 63 calories so pretty good.
 
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...had a weigh-in this morning of 199.0 lbs and plan on staying on track through the weekend and into next week. Goals is 196 lbs by next Friday.
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Ate somewhat moderated this weekend so no big loss there, but started Monday with a good long fast and weighed in at 198lbs this morning. Still have a goal of 196 lbs by Friday.

Oh...and I am finding a greatly important component of fasting for fat loss is good sleep. For me I am finding having my meal around 4pm and nothing else through the night really helps bakes off the fat/lbs. And also timing my fasting to get my 11am workout in later in my fasting hours (like at least 16 hours in) helps do the same.
 
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65.7kgs yesterday so put on a Kilo but that often happens I go up and down between 66kgs - 64kgs Whereis when I was extra strict originally I lost all my weight and went back to one day just to maintain it and still kept losing it so had to stop then I gained it all back on and since re starting it haven’t been successful in getting down to my goal weight of 60kgs I’m just happy that I stay within that range I said at the start of this comment.
 
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ChaelAZ said:
Wowza. Weighed in at 204.5 this morning! Really feeling good overall and this meal timing change has been good for me. Not feeling hungry, and actually eating less when I do eat. And no loss in energy for me. Wife also start just over a week and half ago and weighed in 6 pounds down this morning. Worth trying if you are on the fence.

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I was 214 am on Dec 31 and weighed in at 199 lbs this am. My miracle diet: sensible portions, mostly green things. Kale smoothie in the morning, soup or sandwich for lunch, meat and salad for supper.

Was thinking about adding the 16 hr fast by skipping breakfast a couple days a week. But will see if I plateau.
 
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I was 214 am on Dec 31 and weighed in at 199 lbs this am. My miracle diet: sensible portions, mostly green things. Kale smoothie in the morning, soup or sandwich for lunch, meat and salad for supper.

Was thinking about adding the 16 hr fast by skipping breakfast a couple days a week. But will see if I plateau.
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Congrats. I know for me my knees are thanking me on court for losing the lbs.

Really, if you have a meal plan you are comfortable with and consistent with there is no miracle fating done for weight loss. It is more about the other benefits that research is finding. For me, I just feel better and more energtic overall. I say worth trying though.
 
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Just an update. Hit my 195 goal for this week weighing in at 195.4 this morning.

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Interesting benefit of fasting has been reduce joint and muscle pain overall. I was to the point of taking ibuprofen before playing and for days after for all over pain. The weight loss has helped with knee impact issues, but where my neck, arm and shoulder where always sore, almost all the pain is gone. Kinda didn’t believe the research about reduced inflammation, but definitely working for me. Also good mental clarity and added energy.

I’ve done many different diets and conditioning routines and all have lost weight with various impacts on muscle tone and such. This is the first where I feel much more systemic improvements beyond fitness.

And I still eat well and get my beers. It’s just better timing and moderation is all. [emoji1360]
 
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ChaelAZ said:
Just an update. Hit my 195 goal for this week weighing in at 195.4 this morning.

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Interesting benefit of fasting has been reduce joint and muscle pain overall. I was to the point of taking ibuprofen before playing and for days after for all over pain. The weight loss has helped with knee impact issues, but where my neck, arm and shoulder where always sore, almost all the pain is gone. Kinda didn’t believe the research about reduced inflammation, but definitely working for me. Also good mental clarity and added energy.

I’ve done many different diets and conditioning routines and all have lost weight with various impacts on muscle tone and such. This is the first where I feel much more systemic improvements beyond fitness.

And I still eat well and get my beers. It’s just better timing and moderation is all. [emoji1360]
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That’s awesome. Glad that it’s working out well for you in many different ways. Yet still get to have some goodies in between with no real setbacks.
Just did a fasting day today and haven’t eaten since dinner time till the morning getting more stricter bc I need to get to my goal weight of 60kgs so time to crack the whip and eat a little more healthier on non fasting days too.
 
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ChaelAZ said:
Congrats. I know for me my knees are thanking me on court for losing the lbs.

Really, if you have a meal plan you are comfortable with and consistent with there is no miracle fating done for weight loss. It is more about the other benefits that research is finding. For me, I just feel better and more energtic overall. I say worth trying though.
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I think just losing weight makes you feel better. I'm not so sure fasting makes the critical difference. Every fad diet is filled with testimonials of "I feel more energetic and my mind is less foggy" from Atkin's to keto to gluten free to vegan to intermittent fasting. The only thing they all have in common is weight loss.

Losing 15 pounds any which way makes me feel better with more bounce in my step. And I've tried most of the various diets. I do think low carb works better for me than low fat, but that's about it.
 
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I think just losing weight makes you feel better. I'm not so sure fasting makes the critical difference. Every fad diet is filled with testimonials of "I feel more energetic and my mind is less foggy" from Atkin's to keto to gluten free to vegan to intermittent fasting. The only thing they all have in common is weight loss.

Losing 15 pounds any which way makes me feel better with more bounce in my step. And I've tried most of the various diets. I do think low carb works better for me than low fat, but that's about it.
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It is always about what you can stick to consistently and for the long term that matters. And yup, weight loss is easily broke down to calories and vs calories out and having a deficit, but there are difference in systemic impacts. For me, the peer review research about fasting and lower carb is the difference from fad diets. I have gained and lost several times using various methods as well.




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I eat whatever I want, but before sunset. After sunset, no more food.
Gym 3 mornings a week, Tennis 2 or three times.

It's very easy because there's no calorie counting, and nothing is off-limits. The early morning starts means that I can't socialise much in the evenings anyway, so I don't miss out on dinner parties. No more than I do anyway.
 
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Final found the latest meta analysis that was published in the NEJM. Lots of good information on studies and such.

Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease
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Interesting article. It's fascinating to see how medical thinking has changed on nutrition over the years. In the beginning, breakfast was the most important meal of the day and all fats were bad and avoiding cholesterol and saturated fats was the mantra. So people just took out fat, replaced it with carbs and salt and all got diabetes and hypertension. Then Atkins came along and said, fats were fine and it was carbs that were bad and sure enough people had some success with his diet with improvement in gluscose homeostasis and lipids despite a diet high in fat. Likely the health benefits were through periods of higher ketogenesis that the Atkin's type diets provided. Now we are onto diets with fasting components to again bring in ketogenesis as a metabolic switch to improve glucose metabolism and create more resilient cells.

Of course none of these diets will protect us from gravity so if we do live 80% longer on fasting calorie restricted diets will all end up being 3 feet tall.

In the meantime from a personal perspective I'm more interested in the 6 hour meal window diet. I'm much better at not eating than eating small amounts. So taking breakfast out of my life and eating from noon to 6pm is more sustainable for me.
 
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Weighed in yesterday and since I’ve been more strict with what I eat on my non diet days as well as been more strict when I’m on diet days I have lost 2.1kgs and now at 63.6kgs and haven’t been that low since I originally went on this diet so I’m going to keep doing this and hopefully get down to 60kgs.
 
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Dartagnan64 said:
Interesting article. It's fascinating to see how medical thinking has changed on nutrition over the years. In the beginning, breakfast was the most important meal of the day and all fats were bad and avoiding cholesterol and saturated fats was the mantra. So people just took out fat, replaced it with carbs and salt and all got diabetes and hypertension. Then Atkins came along and said, fats were fine and it was carbs that were bad and sure enough people had some success with his diet with improvement in gluscose homeostasis and lipids despite a diet high in fat. Likely the health benefits were through periods of higher ketogenesis that the Atkin's type diets provided. Now we are onto diets with fasting components to again bring in ketogenesis as a metabolic switch to improve glucose metabolism and create more resilient cells.

Of course none of these diets will protect us from gravity so if we do live 80% longer on fasting calorie restricted diets will all end up being 3 feet tall.

In the meantime from a personal perspective I'm more interested in the 6 hour meal window diet. I'm much better at not eating than eating small amounts. So taking breakfast out of my life and eating from noon to 6pm is more sustainable for me.
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My first degree was exercise science and physiology and I was a certified trainer for years. But that was back in the 1990’s and the mantra was all about low fat, higher protein and good carbs, which was the base of Krebs. That was all we presented to clients and yeah, breakfast was a must. Also did the more, smaller meals plans.

The last 4 years I started reading up more on keto based diets and was never 100% sold. I’ve posted a great meta analysis study that looked at all kinds of diets and in terms of weight loss they all are about equal. And that is what most of us were changing diet for. But as I read more I started to see more focus on the systemic improvements of fasting cycles using ketosis for regulation. Not just little things, but nutritional disease control based on insulin regulation and cell autophagy. Again, I was kind of skeptical especially since Dr. Oz was on that bandwagon, but if you move past the celebrity and selling something YT promoters, there is solid research and promise. At least in what I see. Now at 50 the systemic benefits are even more important. And having done fasting for a solid 7 weeks now, yeah I have lost 30 pounds and there are obvious benefits just from that, but I am also finding and feeling additional benefits as mentioned.

To date all I have done is the one meal a day, 23/1 type cycle. Longest fast has been around 32 hours and I do want to try adding in longer fasts to see how all the additional said benefits feel for me.

I don’t think it is any magic and that it is making massive improvements, but it has been better than other changes I have made in the past. Well worth reading about and trying.


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ChaelAZ

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Rafaisdabest said:
Weighed in yesterday and since I’ve been more strict with what I eat on my non diet days as well as been more strict when I’m on diet days I have lost 2.1kgs and now at 63.6kgs and haven’t been that low since I originally went on this diet so I’m going to keep doing this and hopefully get down to 60kgs.
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Consistency is key. Keep plugging along. [emoji1363]

I weighed in and am down 30lbs in 7 weeks now. Wife is down 12 in about 4-5 weeks. We are steric during the week but still go out and do drinks on the weekends. We moderate and don’t binge.




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Mac33

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My strategy for trying to heal my badly damaged kneecap and thigh bone from an accident 13 months ago is fasting, the Sebi diet and constant physio.

Fasting I am trying to do the 18 to 6 one. I have lost around 3 to 4 kilos in the last few months.

The Sebi diet involves eating organic plant based alkaline food with lots of herbal teas.

I have read fasting can help cure disease and heal injuries.

I feel i have had an increase in my rate of improvement the last few months so going to continue for at least the next 12 months.

Still unable to jog but my walking speed is nearly up to scratch.
 
Flootoo

Flootoo

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Mac33 said:
My strategy for trying to heal my badly damaged kneecap and thigh bone from an accident 13 months ago is fasting, the Sebi diet and constant physio.
Still unable to jog but my walking speed is nearly up to scratch.
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Stay strong physio is boring and annoying, but there's no real alternative. I'm in recovery from a smaller injury and what you're doing is worth it!
 
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Rafaisdabest

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Tried Frantelle Sparkling Water with a hint of Lime & Lemon (Zero Sugar) tonight but didn’t like it but I have bought another bottle of Sparkling Water And Mineral Water Apple Berry so I’ll give that a try and I might like that better but as of the first one I mentioned I wasn’t a fan and had it with my dinner but couldn’t drink it again.
 
ChaelAZ

ChaelAZ

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Did a full 40 hour fast and feel very good. Still kept up with workouts and an hour and a half tennis practice. Still need to see my weight under 190 lbs to meet my goal for February. Feeling good I will by Friday. [emoji1360] Back to 23/1 for the week.


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Ruark

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Well, here's my experience. It's all about carbs, ketosis and metabolism. Let me just lay out the points:

1. I kept my total net carb intake to <30g per day.
2. When you read a food label, don't go by the "total" carbs. You don't count the fiber. Total carbs - fiber = net carbs. Net carbs is what you count. Check the label.
3. Obviously, it meant eating a lot of meat, cheese, eggs, etc. Just check the labels. I'm sure I ate at least 3,000 calories per day, but kept the net carbs <30g per day.
4. We all know that your body can drop its metabolism and go into "starvation mode" during a strict diet and cause you to stop losing weight. To prevent this, every 10 or 12 days I would forget the diet. Have a big breakfast - big omelet, bacon, hash browns, biscuits and gravy, maybe a stack of pancakes buried in butter and syrup, whatever. For lunch I'd usually head for the all you can eat pizza joint and pig out. Or run to a nearby mom & pop burger joint and get a jumbo double patty hamburger with a big mess of greasy fries, buried in ketchup or cream gravy. The next day, back to the diet.
5. Over a period of 3 or 4 months, I went from 260 to 190.
 
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