Fed in some instances was playing really well though. Madrid 2008, Toronto 2010 and Shanghai 2010 are some examples. He played well in all 3 events and Murray managed to beat him in the end as those were all semis and finals.
Fed wasn't playing that well in Toronto, struggled like hell to beat Berdych and Djokovic when he probably should have won both in straights. He was playing well in Shanghai, but he was playing pretty well in Paris too, still got beat by Monfils. Didn't lose a set in Halle that very year and lost to Hewitt. 08 Madrid and 2010 Shanghai are definitely solid performances by Murray, but are they really any better than Roddick and Hewitt's B03 wins over Fed, some of them in those very same years (along with 02 TMC, 03 Montreal)? Not really. Never got what was so special about Murray's wins I guess besides him being consistent enough to string many of them together.
Routined Djokovic and annihilated Soderling.
And even despite all that Murray couldn't be a bigger challenge to Fed when it really mattered from 08-10 than washed up Roddick and Hewitt. Sad.
We don't have to imagine considering Murray got smashed anyways by non-crippled Fed in big matches (slams, WTF)
Murray was just returning back problems in 2014. And i never said Murray was a much tougher oppenent but i know the agenda behind the overhyping of Roddick and Hewitt as always to favour you narrative. Best tennis on court yeah that is you opinion as well yeah
What happened in 2015 vs supposedly peak Murray? So why are you having a problem with me claiming Murray was no tougher than those guys? I see no other claims here. I don't see the hype here.Murray was just returning back problems in 2014. And i never said Murray was a much tougher oppenent but i know the agenda behind the overhyping of Roddick and Hewitt as always to favour you narrative. Best tennis on court yeah that is you opinion as well yeah
So a baby is crying about Roddick and Hewitt but overhyped non stop?
And surrounding those wins he got trashed at the USO, trashed at Cincy(real slam year), beaten soundly at WTF, and then trashed at AO. Then got trashed one more time at WTF in 2010 after a few more Masters hype jobs, for good measure.
Even i have said Murray was not always the toughest oppenent over 2004-06 players i have said he is no better than Hewdick at Wim/USO peakwise. And in those 2 2015 matches were Federer playing at his peak level like in 2006 Murray still never got 6-0ed. I only want to point out the overhyping not just you comment but generally in prior months.
ROFLMAO, now who's the hype master?
and in the very next post says 2015 Fed played peak and Murray did very well to not get bagelled lmao.
Thiem is no random boogeyman. He's the best clay courter in the game not named Rafael Nadal
The last time that moniker meant anything was like 2011.
It'll matter after Thiem beats Nadal at the next RG, whenever that is.
2006 Federer was better than 2015 Federer by far overall but the SF was prime level. And Federer began to return a lot better in the last 2 sets even if he was a much better returner in 2006 overall and yeah still no bagel.
It'll matter after Thiem beats Nadal at the next RG, whenever that is.
Federer said it himself, not meComplains about overhyping - calls 2015 Fed peak
In the SF i said not overall....Complains about overhyping - calls 2015 Fed peak
Yeah those threads are made as a question which is not the same as the overhyping from the biggest fanbase in the sport. And nearly everybody agrees that Murray is not a ATG and that includes me as well. And on those threads tearing exists. I have heard nowhere near the amount about Federer Djok on clay in debates as much as the last 6 months about Federer oppenents and all the great matches in 2005 and so on on so forth. I have seen people say Murray would have a better chance in other eras but again more people say he would have still lost in those era.
I was talking about 2004 Hewitt BTW generally not just a Wimb but yeah this is correct.
Yes. Murray served well. Federer began putting more pressure on the Murray in after the first i felt he returned well. So better serve and worse return i am only talking of this matches 2006 Fed was better overall.....
Still happened 6 times that year to a oppenent who in the last 6 months is talked about like a god.Well, Hewitt didn't get bagelled by 2005 Fed if you wanna go down that route
I will make a thread about Murray being a ATG now and see how many people vote yes or no currently if so many people say yes then i am wrong. I have seen it different to you in those threads. Yes a ton of Federer fans left this forum but some came back like a couple months after the Wim loss. I recall the larger amount saying Murray is not ATG or he was not tough in slam finals.Still a bit of a stretch, I guess you can talk about effectiveness and say it was peak for dispatching a good opponent in straights but obviously the style of play he has in his later career is less conducive to bagels. Murray obviously served very well to his credit.
Yeah this is BS. Don't think Fed fans are near the majority they used to be, it's also certainly not nearly everybody that agrees Murray is not an ATG either. You're constant complaining about this is misplaced for sure
Hewitt played a few bad sets amongst those bagels but a lot of it was Fed GOAT'ing.
I never knew noise was made about Murray being a ATG.......
Murray also won in 2008 at the ATP finals.
Federer's only RR loss?
He could outgrind Fed, and his backhand has always been beastly. Handles Fed's slice better than Novak used to too. Now against Novak or Nadal they'd simply outlast him or make him hit a guillion forehands and boom goes the dynamite.
Yep.
And in the 2008 Shanghai match Fed was in deep problems with his back. The record was clearly set straight in all their subsequent year end meetings. Obviously 2013 AO Fed was the worst version of Fed at AO in a decade. When Murray was in shaky form the next year, Fed at 32.5 with a new racket routined him before getting routined himself by an overall shaky Nadal.
