Djokovic Head of Serbia

Swingmaster

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Could Djokovic feasibly become president/prime minister of Serbia while still playing on tour? If so, how would he be protected? Extra security on court? Snipers? I think the people of Serbia would be overjoyed to watch their government leader raise the Wimbledon trophy. Win the Davis Cup maybe. That would be something.
 
skaj

skaj

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He won't do it, because he can do that later if he wants to, but he can't win slams 10 years from now.
Knowing how mindlessly people support him in his home country, it wouldn't be impossible. And at the end of the day, Trump is a president, why not Djokoloco.

One thing is for sure, he would not be worse than the de facto dictator that is running the country right now(although Novak is friendly with the current government, which is rather disgusting).
 
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skaj said:
He won't do it, because he can do that later if he wants to, but he can't win slams 10 years from now.
Knowing how mindlessly people support him in his home country, it wouldn't be impossible. And at the end of the day, Trump is a president, why not Djokoloco.

One thing is for sure, he would not be worse than the de facto dictator that is ruling the country right now(although Novak is friendly with the current government, which is rather disgusting).
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Anyway, where are you from? Just wondering.
 
skaj

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Nole Slam said:
I know. I am the derailer of threads.

Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro?
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Oh you know, well I am not gonna help you in your derailing. So if you have something to say about the topic or my topic related post, I am happy to reply.

p.s. None of those countries...
 
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Mainad

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Swingmaster said:
But he did make a new event and attempt to start a new player’s association and then want back in on the old association. In the same year.
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Sure but that was all to do with tennis. I think he will finish his professional association with the sport before becoming a full time Serbian politician.
 
Bartelby

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The ATP is not a player association. It is a business that is run on a not for profit basis with an element of player involvement at the level of advice only.

The point of the new association is to represent the players.

Even Google employees have now established an association, but no one would ever mistake Google for something other than a business.

Swingmaster said:
But he did make a new event and attempt to start a new player’s association and then want back in on the old association. In the same year.
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skaj

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Mainad said:
Sure but that was all to do with tennis. I think he will finish his professional association with the sport before becoming a full time Serbian politician.
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Of course, a hyper ambitious person will not give up on a career they are successful at and that can last only for so long, to get involved in something they know nothing about and have no qualifications for whatsoever.
 
BackhandDTL

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Nole Slam said:
I'd beat him somehow.
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ROFLMAO

this isn’t scarecrow Anderson on rollerskates ur running up against good god man !!!!

this is the third greatest player behind PeteDAL here. Chasing down balls after balls while doing the splits, like friking spiderman and flash had a baby. you really think you can beat this guy ROFLMAO?

Hell even PETE might be scared for once......

just kidding, good god you fell for that didn’t you..... PETE gonna PETE like always.
 
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Cashman

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Bartelby said:
The ATP is not a player association. It is a business that is run on a not for profit basis with an element of player involvement at the level of advice only.
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That is not entirely correct either - it is more of a 50/50 joint venture between players and tournaments.
  1. Players elect 12 of their number to the Player Council, and tournament owners do the same for the 13-member Tournament Council
  2. The Player and Tournament Councils then elect 3 board members each (one representing the Americas, one for Europe and one for the rest of the world)
  3. The six board members then recruit a chairman from outside the organisation
The Player and Tournament Councils then serve in an advisory role to the board members they elected.

So the 7 member board's decisionmaking is theoretically split 50/50 between tournament and player interests, with a neutral chairman to break any vote ties.

In practice, the multiple levels of representation mean that your average player doesn't have a ton of influence over the ATP's decisions - so it makes sense that they want a player association to represent them more directly.
 
Bartelby

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You are misguided if you think that the casting vote is in the hands of a "neutral" chairman.

In any event, I see this structure as a version of Mitbestimmung with the players helping to manage the business and also retaining independent union organisation.

The difference here is that they never had any union organisation to retain, so they effectively got drafted into a business with the promise of effective participation that was never really delivered.

Cashman said:
That is not entirely correct either - it is more of a 50/50 joint venture between players and tournaments.
  1. Players elect 12 of their number to the Player Council, and tournament owners do the same for the 13-member Tournament Council
  2. The Player and Tournament Councils then elect 3 board members each (one representing the Americas, one for Europe and one for the rest of the world)
  3. The six board members then recruit a chairman from outside the organisation
The Player and Tournament Councils then serve in an advisory role to the board members they elected.

So the 7 member board's decisionmaking is theoretically split 50/50 between tournament and player interests, with a neutral chairman to break any vote ties.

In practice, the multiple levels of representation mean that your average player doesn't have a ton of influence over the ATP's decisions - so it makes sense that they want a player association to represent them more directly.
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Cashman

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Bartelby said:
You are misguided if you think that the casting vote is in the hands of a "neutral" chairman.
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I am just outlining the facts of how the organisation operates.

Of the six people who have a say in who the chairman is, three represent the players and three represent the tournaments - thus, on the face of it, the chairman is nominally neutral to player and tournament interests.

I agree that in practice the players’ interests are underrepresented, but your initial claim that player involvement is on an advisory basis only is just wrong. Player representatives elect half the ATP board.
 
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Swingmaster said:
Could Djokovic feasibly become president/prime minister of Serbia while still playing on tour? If so, how would he be protected? Extra security on court? Snipers? I think the people of Serbia would be overjoyed to watch their government leader raise the Wimbledon trophy. Win the Davis Cup maybe. That would be something.
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Why would the elect him, he doesn't have any experience or skills running countries.
 
Bartelby

Bartelby

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It wasn't wrong as I was not trying to provide any detail, but merely the practice as it panned out.

I've talked about the structure in detail in the past and had no intention of going over it again.

The general maxim in business is that you always want control, and the players' 50% doesn't give it to them.

The other side has 50% plus the Chair who is elected to run a business in which the people with the money have the biggest voice.

Not all players want to join or support the new association, but the business has said that they won't even talk to the association and the players are cowered.

So much for what 50% gets you!

Cashman said:
I am just outlining the facts of how the organisation operates.

Of the six people who have a say in who the chairman is, three represent the players and three represent the tournaments - thus, on the face of it, the chairman is nominally neutral to player and tournament interests.

I agree that in practice the players’ interests are underrepresented, but your initial claim that player involvement is on an advisory basis only is just wrong. Player representatives elect half the ATP board.
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Bartelby

Bartelby

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No, it wasn't. They have half minus the chair and their involvement in practice is advisory.

The managers and owners have, for example, blackballed the Association.

In the final analysis, however, it's a matter of opinion how powerful you think the players are.

But the fact is that it's the really big players like Federer who can deal with the ATP, not the players.

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...yeah it was

Electing half the board is not ‘involvement at the level of advice only’
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skaj said:
Why did they elect Trump.
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But in Serbia there is totally different mindset and they don't have electoral college. Plus Trump had leadership experience in bussiness and had political connections and has good education. Him and Hillary were friends, he was at her weddiing and gave her campaign money.

Also he has charisma, he really can motivate people. And even with all that it was a fluke, cuz people hated Hillary so much and media gave him free press, cuz they underestimated him.

Djokovic is the opposite.
 
skaj

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JackGates said:
But in Serbia there is totally different mindset and they don't have electoral college. Plus Trump had leadership experience in bussiness and had political connections and has good education. Him and Hillary were friends, he was at her weddiing and gave her campaign money.

Also he has charisma, he really can motivate people. And even with all that it was a fluke, cuz people hated Hillary so much and media gave him free press, cuz they underestimated him.

Djokovic is the opposite.
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I don't know what you mean by different mindset, but my point was that electing incompetent presidents/prime ministers is nothing new.
I agree that Trump has more knowledge and skill than a professional athlete, but it doesn't make him a decent enough presidential candidate. Not sure what his relationship with Hillary Clinton has to do with this discussion.
In Serbia people blindly adore Djokovic, so with the right media support, this person who can't even deal with his own PR could easily become president.

As for Trump's "charisma" I honestly don't see it. If he is charismatic then so is Djokoloco(whose charisma I also don't see of course).
 
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