Rafael Nadal against Fedkovic since 2014

Fedeonic · Jul 30, 2022

Since 2014, Rafa Nadal has the following H2H against his fellow Big Three members:
-vs Federer: 2-6 overall, 2-2 in Grand Slam, 0-4! in finals.
-vs Djokovic: 7-13 overall, 3-4 in Grand Slams, 4-6 in finals.

Cumulative is: 9-21 overall, 5-6 in Grand Slams, 4-10 in finals. Only ONE win in non-clay tournaments (against Federer in Aus Open 2014 SF).

Discuss.

StrongRule · Jul 30, 2022

During his prime he was outplaying both of them for most of the time. He would still be leading both head to heads if he didn't meet Djokovic like 1000 times during 2015-2016. (compared to just one meeting in 2017)

ForehandDTL · Jul 30, 2022

Nadal since 1877 has 0 wins off of clay, HC, and grass.

MichaelNadal · Jul 30, 2022

Don’t take the bait besties

22 is painful

UnforcedTerror · Jul 30, 2022

For Bulldal it's all about dirt and nothing but dirt. People are still waiting for him to win 1 set off Djokovic on hardcourts.

The moment there was a possibility for him to play Djokovic off clay he chose to quit! Disgust.

GabeT · Jul 30, 2022

Always, always, always look at the surface differences

Fedal on clay : Nadal up 14-2
Fedal off clay: Fed up 14-10

Nadalovic on clay: Nadal up 20-8
Nadalovic off clay: Novak up 22-9

RS · Jul 30, 2022

Not so good but Nadal did the goods pre 14.

Shows why it's possible nobody is the GOAT because the all have a flaw.

ForehandDTL · Jul 30, 2022

GabeT said:
Always, always, always look at the surface differences

Fedal on clay : Nadal up 14-2
Fedal off clay: Fed up 14-10

Nadalovic on clay: Nadal up 20-8
Nadalovic off clay: Novak up 22-9

Remove the clay and all the times Nadal won off of clay, and Nadal is 0-36 against Fedovic

GabeT · Jul 30, 2022

ForehandDTL said:
Remove the clay and all the times Nadal won off of clay, and Nadal is 0-36 against Fedovic

Another “new user”! Lol

ForehandDTL · Jul 30, 2022

GabeT said:
Another “new user”! Lol

Running out of rebuttals barring the ol’ ad hominem eh bud?

Close your account, what a disgrace!

GabeT · Jul 30, 2022

ForehandDTL said:
Running out of rebuttals barring the ol’ ad hominem eh bud?

Close your account, what a disgrace!

Are you a deliberate stranger?
do you enjoy the USO?
Or love Becker’s serve?

one wonders

beast of mallorca · Jul 30, 2022

Fedeonic said:
Since 2014, Rafa Nadal has the following H2H against his fellow Big Three members:
-vs Federer: 2-6 overall, 2-2 in Grand Slam, 0-4! in finals.
-vs Djokovic: 7-13 overall, 3-4 in Grand Slams, 4-6 in finals.

Cumulative is: 9-21 overall, 5-6 in Grand Slams, 4-10 in finals. Only ONE win in non-clay tournaments (against Federer in Aus Open 2014 SF).

Discuss.

Since 2018, Feddyphants has not won a Grandslam and has been stuck at 20. Meanwhile, Djoker is now at 21 and Rafa at 22 GS, with a chance at 23 at this year's USO.

The pain and the tears of the Feddyphants are just sooooo delicious

Biotic · Jul 30, 2022

Mediterranean Might · Jul 30, 2022

MichaelNadal said:
Don’t take the bait besties 22 is painful

This is all they have anymore, and the dudes still calling him a dirtballer right on cue lmao

MichaelNadal · Jul 30, 2022

Mediterranean Might said:
This is all they have anymore, and the dudes still calling him a dirtballer right on cue lmao

They can't even celebrate Wimbledon bc Nadal is still the GOAT and Novak can't even play

Biotic can feast on that chicken to ancient highlights

Poisoned Slice · Jul 30, 2022

Beatings

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

StrongRule said:
During his prime he was outplaying both of them for most of the time. He would still be leading both head to heads if he didn't meet Djokovic like 1000 times during 2015-2016. (compared to just one meeting in 2017)

He'd still lead the h2h vs Fed, but not necessarily vs Djokovic

lets take out RG 06, Rome 07, RG 07 because DJoko was young in 06, still not that good on clay in 07
take out the 7 matches in 15-16. (4 HC, 3 clay)
the 2 clay court matches in 17,18 combined (Djoko only got back to good form in grass season 18)

so these matches it is 5-3 clay Nadal, 4-0 HC Djokovic

that'd make it 23-24 for Djokovic

In real life
They have total of 27 matches on HC
28 on clay
4 matches on grass

Removing above matches you have

23 matches on HC (16-7 Djokovic)
20 matches on clay (15-5 Nadal)
4 matches on grass (2-2)

Now HC is like 65% of the tour, clay 30%, grass 5%

Djoko would lead the h2h if they played proportional matches on HC/clay as per surface distribution that exists.

Edit: for example.
23 matches on HC is 16-7 Djokovic. Let say they have 12 matches on clay (about half as that on HC) with Nadal leading 9-3 (same proportion or ratio as 15-5)

so that'd make it 19-16 Djokovic on HC+clay combined

Federev · Jul 30, 2022

StrongRule said:
During his prime he was outplaying both of them for most of the time. He would still be leading both head to heads if he didn't meet Djokovic like 1000 times during 2015-2016. (compared to just one meeting in 2017)

I think this is fair.

Rafa had an early peak and it was quick - at his peak - virtually unstoppable.

Biotic · Jul 30, 2022

MichaelNadal said:
They can't even celebrate Wimbledon bc Nadal is still the GOAT and Novak can't even play Biotic can feast on that chicken to ancient highlights

Don't worry bestie, I'll save some food for you since I'm sure you'll be starving by the time we go through all the beatings.

ForehandCross · Jul 30, 2022

GabeT said:
Always, always, always look at the surface differences

Fedal on clay : Nadal up 14-2
Fedal off clay: Fed up 14-10

Nadalovic on clay: Nadal up 20-8
Nadalovic off clay: Novak up 22-9

The eff???? So Djokodal have played freakin 28 clay matches almost equal to 31 off clay???

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

As always, you must combine Fed with Djoker to make it look like something.

Fed had one nice year vs. Nadal in 2017. Too bad it was too little, too late - way too little, way too late.

Tennfan123 · Jul 30, 2022

I didn’t realise Nadal only started playing tennis professionally in 2014.

GabeT · Jul 30, 2022

StrongRule said:
During his prime he was outplaying both of them for most of the time. He would still be leading both head to heads if he didn't meet Djokovic like 1000 times during 2015-2016. (compared to just one meeting in 2017)

Even pre 2011 Nadal trailed in the HC h2h against Novak. After that it was just a blowout

BeatlesFan · Jul 30, 2022

Fedeonic said:
Since 2014, Rafa Nadal has the following H2H against his fellow Big Three members:
-vs Federer: 2-6 overall, 2-2 in Grand Slam, 0-4! in final

Wrong. Since 2014, Fed is 7-1 against Nadal and is 2-1 in slams.

https://www.atptour.com/en/players/atp-head-2-head/roger-federer-vs-rafael-nadal/f324/n409

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

ForehandCross said:
The eff???? So Djokodal have played freakin 28 clay matches almost equal to 31 off clay???

Nadal is almost always there at the end on clay. Fed disappeared from the USO nearly 15 years ago while Djoker has his Istomin and Chung moments.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
As always, you must combine Fed with Djoker to make it look like something.

Fed had one nice year vs. Nadal in 2017. Too bad it was too little, too late - way too little, way too late.

Fed also won Wim 19 match when he was nearly frickin 38.
and won Basel 15.

Biotic · Jul 30, 2022

ForehandCross said:
The eff???? So Djokodal have played freakin 28 clay matches almost equal to 31 off clay???

Why should anyone be surprised about it? They played 10 at RG and 8 at other slams. Disgusting, but hey, we should be grateful cause it could be worse.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Fed disappeared from the USO nearly 15 years ago while Djoker has his Istomin and Chung moments.

BS.

abmk said:
guy was pushing Djokovic much tougher in 11 than your boi in the same tournament. Even 15 fed pushed 15 djokovic harder than your boi did in 11. 11 and 15 being djoko's 2 best at the USO.

Fed also won USO in 08 and 2 points away from winning USO in 09.

You ran away from that thread and yet keep repeating the same lie.

is it a combo of you failing at basic math and basic integrity?

beast of mallorca · Jul 30, 2022

Mediterranean Might said:
This is all they have anymore, and the dudes still calling him a dirtballer right on cue lmao

Federer fanatics have been relegated to scraping the bottom of the barrel.

These fanatics have become so Pathetic, really . Well deserved though

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:
Fed also won Wim 19 match when he was nearly frickin 38.
and won Basel 15.

Yes, there was one random Basel match and W 19 as well.

That was a glorious at moment at W 19. Thankfully Fed cashed it in for some hardware. Would have been a shame to waste it.

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:
BS.

Fed also won USO in 08 and 2 points away from winning USO in 09.

You ran away from that thread and yet keep repeating the same lie.

is it a combo of you failing at basic math and basic integrity?

Ran away? I don't bother reading 99% of this crap. lol

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Ran away? I don't bother reading 99% of this crap. lol

now that you've read it, are you going to correct yourself?

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:

Hate to break it you, abmk, but these 15 page fantasyland hypo threads - no one actually reads that crap.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Yes, there was one random Basel match and W 19 as well.

That was a glorious at moment at W 19. Thankfully Fed cashed it in for some hardware. Would have been a shame to waste it.

Point is matches were in 3 different years, not just 1 year.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Hate to break it you, abmk, but these 15 page fantasyland hypo threads - no one actually reads that crap.

that wasn't a hypothetical thread. Thread was: "What is Federer’s second best Slam?"
now that you've read that post, are you going to correct yourself?
or still going to be dishonest.

Sport · Jul 30, 2022

Tennis did not start in 2014, so that is an incomplete stat.

H2H in Slams:
-Nadal leads Federer 10-4 (including 3-1 at the Australian Open).
-Nadal leads Djokovic 11-7 (including 2-1 at the US Open).

Overall H2H:
-Nadal leads Federer 24-16 (including 8-6* in outdoor hard).
-Djokovic leads Nadal 30-29.

* The Shanghai 2017 final was played under a roof due to rain. The ATP officially counts it as an outdoor match, but it was a de facto indoor match. So de facto Nadal leads Federer 8-5 in outdoor hard.

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:
Point is matches were in 3 different years, not just 1 year.

Right, one random Basel match from 2015 and a split in 2019. It was one good year for Fed.

Bumbaliceps · Jul 30, 2022

BeatlesFan said:
Wrong. Since 2014, Fed is 7-1 against Nadal and is 2-1 in slams.

https://www.atptour.com/en/players/atp-head-2-head/roger-federer-vs-rafael-nadal/f324/n409

You are deliberately avoiding the fact that the IW19 match doesn't count. It is not counted in the very link you propose. Otherwise it would be 24-17.
How many times have you been lying on this specific instance ? Why do you still insist, when you KNOW it doesn't count, you are the only one who counts this match.

The ATP is rejecting your opinion yet you take the ATP as your proof. How dishonest can you be ?
@BeatlesFan blocked me, please someone make her see this post, she has to be called out, it is unsufferable.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Right, one random Basel match from 2015 and a split in 2019. It was one good year for Fed.

then nadal's had only 3 good years vs healthy fed (06, 08,11) by that sorta logic.
fed's had 2 vs nadal (2007,17)

they were tied in 05/09/10/12 etc.

Antonio Puente · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:
then nadal's had only 3 good years vs healthy fed (06, 08,11) by that sorta logic.
fed's had 2 vs nadal (2007,17)

they were tied in 05/09/10/12 etc.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to hype up Basel 2015 or the split in 2019, go for it.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

Antonio Puente said:
Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to hype up Basel 2015 or the split in 2019, go for it.

I see you failed to address my actual point in that post.

StrongRule · Jul 30, 2022

abmk said:
then nadal's had only 3 good years vs healthy fed (06, 08,11) by that sorta logic.
fed's had 2 vs nadal (2007,17)

they were tied in 05/09/10/12 etc.

I wonder where did you hear about Nadal owning Federer in the years you mentioned that you now have to bring this.

Overall, Federer had better years in 2005 and 2009, and some might argue about 2012. But in 2005, 2009 and 2012 Nadal won the more important head to head matches. In 2019 on the other hand the matches were equal by importance.

Sport · Jul 30, 2022

Bumbaliceps said:
You are deliberately avoiding the fact that the IW19 match doesn't count. It is not counted in the very link you propose. Otherwise it would be 24-17.
How many times have you been lying on this specific instance ? Why do you still insist, when you KNOW it doesn't count, you are the only one who counts this match.

The ATP is rejecting your opinion yet you take the ATP as your proof. How dishonest can you be ?
@BeatlesFan blocked me, please someone make her see this post, she has to be called out, it is unsufferable.

Yep, the IW 2019 match didn't even take place and, consequently, it's not counted by the ATP in the total count of their official H2H.

Azure · Jul 30, 2022

What happened in 2014?

mahatma · Jul 30, 2022

Fedeonic said:
Since 2014, Rafa Nadal has the following H2H against his fellow Big Three members:
-vs Federer: 2-6 overall, 2-2 in Grand Slam, 0-4! in finals.
-vs Djokovic: 7-13 overall, 3-4 in Grand Slams, 4-6 in finals.

Cumulative is: 9-21 overall, 5-6 in Grand Slams, 4-10 in finals. Only ONE win in non-clay tournaments (against Federer in Aus Open 2014 SF).

Discuss.

Third wheeler at best.

abmk · Jul 30, 2022

StrongRule said:
I wonder where did you hear about Nadal owning Federer in the years you mentioned that you now have to bring this.

Overall, Federer had better years in 2005 and 2009, and some might argue about 2012. But in 2005, 2009 and 2012 Nadal won the more important head to head matches. In 2019 on the other hand the matches were equal by importance.

I was only giving him a taste of his own medicine.

StrongRule · Jul 30, 2022

Azure said:
What happened in 2014?

Nadal's prime ended, and for many players it was the start of the "improving head to head with Nadal" era. (especially in 2014-2016)

Bumbaliceps · Jul 30, 2022

Sport said:
Yep, the IW 2019 match didn't even take place and, consequently, it's not counted by the ATP in the total count of their official H2H.

Exactly. I could bet the fate of humanity that she would be there in less than 5 minutes to jump at the throat and insult anyone who would dare to include the 2014 WTF in the H2H.

Azure · Jul 30, 2022

StrongRule said:
Nadal's prime ended, and for many players it was the start of the "improving head to head with Nadal" era. (especially in 2014-2016)

Oh ok - considering that Rafa first played Federer in 2004 and Djokovic in 2006, I was wondering why 8-10 years of his career was being just eliminated! Is the first half that strong for Rafa?

StrongRule · Jul 30, 2022

Azure said:
Oh ok - considering that Rafa first played Federer in 2004 and Djokovic in 2006, I was wondering why 8-10 years of his career was being just eliminated! Is the first half that strong for Rafa?

Yeah, during his prime he was leading all head to heads.

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