Wilson Pro Staff RF97: A summary of people's experiences with the racquet

Vlasta

New User
I've been reading lots of online reviews of the Pro Staff RF97 as I'm thinking of getting a couple of these. I've read people's experiences on Tennis Warehouse forums, Reddit, Quora, read all the reviews I could find online, watched YouTube reviews and read comments, etc. So, I thought it would be a good idea to summarise all this in one post for those who are also thinking about getting the RF, but are afraid to take the plunge. Obviously, I've demoed the racquet, but demoing it for a day or two doesn't tell you what's it like to use long term.

Based on all the reviews and people's experiences with this racquet these are the main points and conclusions. It is too heavy but easy to swing, it is also heavy and very hard to swing, and it is light unless you put some lead to make it swing properly. It is very powerful, yet it lacks power. It is very stable but a little unstable. It is very bad for beginners because you have to have the proper technique to use it, but at the same time, it is good for beginners because it forces you to learn the proper technique to use it. It is too heavy to use for singles but great for doubles, and it is great for singles but too heavy for doubles. It is hard to generate good racquet head speed on forehands because of its mass, yet it is easy to generate good racquet head speed on forehands because the mass gives it momentum. It's great on serves but hard to manoeuvre during play, and it's great to play with but very hard to serve with. Nobody but Federer can use it, and everybody can use it. It has easy access to spin, yet it's impossible to spin the ball with it. Its weight can give you tennis elbow, but its weight can cure or prevent tennis elbow. Vibrations will destroy your wrist on off-centre shots due to its weight, but its mass will absorb vibrations on off-centre shots making it wrist-friendly. It is crisp but plush. It is stiff but feels flexible. It's heavy but it feels light, and it's light but it feels heavy. The string-bed is control-oriented but erratic. It has that classic Pro Staff feel, but it feels nothing like Pro Staff. If you can't wield it, it is not due to weight but your bad technique, but even if you have good technique it's like hitting with a baseball bat, even though it feels great.

Two things are certain though, the plough through is apparently great, and it looks cool.

Hope this is helpful.
 

antony

Hall of Fame
It’s a good racquet. Maybe slower than other racquets but there is a lot of power compared to other racquets. Balls have more oomph which is a documented effect from higher weight. Good spin access. Stable. The only con really is that it’s harder to get it somewhere especially with twitch reflex shots like when at the net
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. Here all this time I thought, "I'm not that great at tennis which is why I don't play all that great." Nice to know it is the racquet and it isn't. Pheewww!
 

Vlasta

New User
You forgot that it's also black and white at the same time.
I also forgot the most important thing, it's too heavy for 90% of tennis players, but it's too light for the remaining 10%.
Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. Here all this time I thought, "I'm not that great at tennis which is why I don't play all that great." Nice to know it is the racquet and it isn't. Pheewww!
Don't worry buddy, you're great. It's all your racquet's fault. Chin up!
 

Vlasta

New User
It’s a good racquet. Maybe slower than other racquets but there is a lot of power compared to other racquets. Balls have more oomph which is a documented effect from higher weight. Good spin access. Stable. The only con really is that it’s harder to get it somewhere especially with twitch reflex shots like when at the net
That's actually useful advice, thank you very much.
There's one nice saying to the RF97...
"Every tennis enthusiastic in the world should play with this frame at least once in his life...but definitely not keep it as a long-term racquet of choice "
Kind of my conclusion too based on the demo and everything I've read, but a part of me wants to give it a shot and see what happens.
I pretty much agree with this tennis racket guru, probably the most consulted racket guy in the world
Cheers! I've seen this video, that's where "nobody but Federer can use it" part comes from. I have no doubt that Roman has good reasons for saying that. He knows his stuff.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
Probably too much stick for most players, but the contradictory opinions may also be driven by Wilson QC issues. A (correct) 358g strung racket balanced at 31.5cm is considerably different to a 364g racket balanced at 32.5cm, as can easily happen.
 

Vlasta

New User
A (correct) 358g strung racket balanced at 31.5cm is considerably different to a 364g racket balanced at 32.5cm
Very helpful info, thank you! I'll make sure to measure both the weight and balance before making the purchase to be sure it's closer to 358g and 31.5cm. Do you think I should also open the trap door to check if there's silicone inside? I've heard people say that it is better if it's all foam in the handle and that they add the silicone to meet the advertised weight spec, which then ruins the balance slightly. Whereas all foam means that it didn't have to be modified to meet the spec. Is that true?
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
It is a great stick. I realized it hitting against a player who was using it. The incoming shots were loaded with spin and power. They felt heavy.

That said, he can't use it effectively for more than a set against the similarly skilled players. It was more of a fun stick for him being a Federer fan.

I felt the same about it. I can literally crush the balls and spin/control was great, too. It was fatiguing my arm to swing aggressively. Not sure why. I've used 90" midsize rackets that weigh similarly.
 
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Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
Very helpful info, thank you! I'll make sure to measure both the weight and balance before making the purchase to be sure it's closer to 358g and 31.5cm. Do you think I should also open the trap door to check if there's silicone inside? I've heard people say that it is better if it's all foam in the handle and that they add the silicone to meet the advertised weight spec, which then ruins the balance slightly. Whereas all foam means that it didn't have to be modified to meet the spec. Is that true?
Mine looks like just foam in the handle, but came balanced at 32.5cm so I added some weight to the butt-cap to get it back to 32cm. I would say check the balance if you can, 9pt HL vs 5pt HL makes a big difference on serving.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
Very helpful info, thank you! I'll make sure to measure both the weight and balance before making the purchase to be sure it's closer to 358g and 31.5cm. Do you think I should also open the trap door to check if there's silicone inside? I've heard people say that it is better if it's all foam in the handle and that they add the silicone to meet the advertised weight spec, which then ruins the balance slightly. Whereas all foam means that it didn't have to be modified to meet the spec. Is that true?
I would doubt it. That would mean all racquets are fully foamed and a worker would have to dig some foam out to make room for the Silicone. It's possible people are just seeing previous runs that are still on the shelf and later, perhaps due to a foam supplier deficit, that error was corrected. Otherwise, wouldn't most racquets be at least within a gram or two of each other regardless of balance etc.?
 

Blahovic

Professional
That's actually useful advice, thank you very much.

Kind of my conclusion too based on the demo and everything I've read, but a part of me wants to give it a shot and see what happens.

Cheers! I've seen this video, that's where "nobody but Federer can use it" part comes from. I have no doubt that Roman has good reasons for saying that. He knows his stuff.
To be honest, I've always been confused by the whole "rec players aren't good enough to use X racquet / shouldn't play with X racquet" thing -- if you're not a good player, the racquet you play with just doesn't matter that much.

The reality is that amateur players aren't good enough for minor differences in racquet specs to have a meaningful impact on how well they play.
 

410

New User
Wilson QC varies so much from racquet to racquet that there is a very real chance that people experience all of these things.
I've been reading lots of online reviews of the Pro Staff RF97 as I'm thinking of getting a couple of these. I've read people's experiences on Tennis Warehouse forums, Reddit, Quora, read all the reviews I could find online, watched YouTube reviews and read comments, etc. So, I thought it would be a good idea to summarise all this in one post for those who are also thinking about getting the RF, but are afraid to take the plunge. Obviously, I've demoed the racquet, but demoing it for a day or two doesn't tell you what's it like to use long term.

Based on all the reviews and people's experiences with this racquet these are the main points and conclusions. It is too heavy but easy to swing, it is also heavy and very hard to swing, and it is light unless you put some lead to make it swing properly. It is very powerful, yet it lacks power. It is very stable but a little unstable. It is very bad for beginners because you have to have the proper technique to use it, but at the same time, it is good for beginners because it forces you to learn the proper technique to use it. It is too heavy to use for singles but great for doubles, and it is great for singles but too heavy for doubles. It is hard to generate good racquet head speed on forehands because of its mass, yet it is easy to generate good racquet head speed on forehands because the mass gives it momentum. It's great on serves but hard to manoeuvre during play, and it's great to play with but very hard to serve with. Nobody but Federer can use it, and everybody can use it. It has easy access to spin, yet it's impossible to spin the ball with it. Its weight can give you tennis elbow, but its weight can cure or prevent tennis elbow. Vibrations will destroy your wrist on off-centre shots due to its weight, but its mass will absorb vibrations on off-centre shots making it wrist-friendly. It is crisp but plush. It is stiff but feels flexible. It's heavy but it feels light, and it's light but it feels heavy. The string-bed is control-oriented but erratic. It has that classic Pro Staff feel, but it feels nothing like Pro Staff. If you can't wield it, it is not due to weight but your bad technique, but even if you have good technique it's like hitting with a baseball bat, even though it feels great.

Two things are certain though, the plough through is apparently great, and it looks cool.

Hope this is helpful.
 

Xpherex

Rookie
I pretty much agree with this tennis racket guru, probably the most consulted racket guy in the world, runs a tennis shop in NY, advises rec players up to the 5.0 level, and advised Agassi and Novak (responsible for his racket changes in the past 5 years) when it comes to the RF, also @Konik_1982 summed it up nicely...
He has by far more knowledge than me, but when he says PS RF is heavy and then mentions people that break strings on 4 racquets in 1 session...
 

antony

Hall of Fame
That's actually useful advice, thank you very much.
Yep. See:
“For a maximum effort serve, the speed of the racquet at the impact point will depend on the swingweight. A racquet with a higher swingweight and more power will swing more slowly than a racquet with lower swingweight with less power. The net result is that the gain or loss from power potential tends to cancel the loss or gain from swing speed. Maximum serve speed is thus similar for all racquets. In a groundstroke, the player can usually choose to swing at a speed that requires less than maximum effort. In that case, and for a given effort, racquet head speed will be lower if the player uses a racquet with a higher swingweight. However, the power potential of a high swingweight racquet more than makes up for the lower swing speed, with the result that a groundstroke can be struck at a slightly higher speed with a high swingweight racquet.”
 

Blakefan17

Rookie
He has by far more knowledge than me, but when he says PS RF is heavy and then mentions people that break strings on 4 racquets in 1 session...
Yeah man. Looney toons. It’s not 1985 anymore, can’t remember the last time I saw a top ten full poly pro break a string. These guys mostly have dense beds at lower tension too. Just doesn’t happen, unless they hit a framer
 

Konik_1982

Rookie
Just for the record - I still have my RF97 v.11 in my bag and take it out from time to time...;)depends on a day, mood and also fitness level. When I´m feeling good, it´s just a big pleasure to swing it a few times...trying to copy Roger somehow :D
 

Xpherex

Rookie
It's very possible, depending on strings and grip.
Just noticed your nickname, thank you very much for your videos!
As for my comment, I meant like this interview feels so mixed like he says 340 is too heavy and later on mention guys that break strings on 4 racquets in a session, I really doubt anyone who can really break so many string can find 340 gram heavy, I feel like most people just rushing to play on score and play incorrect, fighting the natural swing of the racquet, before they have proper strokes which leads to more injuries and wrong swings etc... but then any racquet can harm them.
 
Just noticed your nickname, thank you very much for your videos!
As for my comment, I meant like this interview feels so mixed like he says 340 is too heavy and later on mention guys that break strings on 4 racquets in a session, I really doubt anyone who can really break so many string can find 340 gram heavy, I feel like most people just rushing to play on score and play incorrect, fighting the natural swing of the racquet, before they have proper strokes which leads to more injuries and wrong swings etc... but then any racquet can harm them.
Oh, I get it, I think he means 5.0 players. Their whippy motion breaks strings, strength doesn't break strings nor does hitting hard unless you constantly miss the sweetspot.

I'm sorry to disappoint, but I am not (forgot his name but it is in my signature, I'm on the phone so too lazy to look) , but I do enjoy those videos too.
 

Arak

Legend
If you feel the RF97 is heavy, just check the specs of Djokovic racket (the actual one). I’ve been playing with the RF97 for the past three years. No racket is perfect. On bad days, I wish that it was a bit lighter, on other days when I’m full of energy, I feel it’s too light. I get more RHS from the PS97, more spin, so I tend to hit flatter with the RF97 but the shots are heavier and more difficult to return. Being an old recreational player, the heavy weight helps me keep up with young advanced players with their explosive shots that rip the racket out of my hand. I can play 3 set matches, and at the end, I’m equally as exhausted and can barely run no matter the racket weight :)
 

Myrko

Rookie
Ok so I play the RF97A mainly for the past 2 years now - testing (und partly using) a lot of other rackets too - and in the form I use it right now, I still think it is the best stick for me personally. It generally feels the best, gives the best heavy shot with amazing penetration and yes, also for 3 sets in a row.

BUT here are the adjustments I made, because it can easily go wrong as well.

This is my favorite setup for the RF97A (v13) after 2 years of testing and using it as my main racket for matches and practice:

1. I removed the leather grip and put on a lighter syntetic grip (Head Ultimate or Wilson original syntetic (I think its the Wilson Cushion Pro?) - effectivly removing like 8g)
2. I only play pretty soft strings @ 23kg (like Solinco Hyper-G Soft, Hyper-G or max. Confidential (was still good) - do not use stiff strings in the RF97A like Tour Bite, or Tourna Silver 7, which instantly gave me wrist pain) Using a softer string in a stiff racket is the best combination for me.
3. I now only play 1.20mm strings (1.25 or even more make the racket sluggish to swing for me) - that's why the gut mains + poly crosses hybrid also didn't work for me, got to heavy.
4. I use 1 Wilson Pro Overgrip
5. This is minor, but if dampener, then I use a rather light one like the thin one from Technifibre
6. No lead anywhere (obviously not needed). Total weight (strung + grip/dampener) is: 357.1g Swing Weight is: 334

Again, I also own and played the Blade Pro, Ezone 98, Regna 98, Prestige Pro and Technifibre T-Fight 305 (all partly modded) and the RF97A is my favorite. Only the modded Blade Pro came close to a switch the last 2 years.

Here are some pics:
 
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Aretium

Hall of Fame
The biggest issue is Wilson quality control, this racket is already on the limit of what we can handle so if we get a frame too heavy it’s too much.
 

tazz

Rookie
I pretty much agree with this tennis racket guru, probably the most consulted racket guy in the world, runs a tennis shop in NY, advises rec players up to the 5.0 level, and advised Agassi and Novak (responsible for his racket changes in the past 5 years) when it comes to the RF, also @Konik_1982 summed it up nicely...

He nails it. Although I would still argue, that the weight is not the main flaw of this stick as it is perfectly distributed. Compared to previous iterations (PS85, PS90) the PS97RFA is not as maneuvarable as its older siblings and stiff as hell (even if its RA rating is not off the charts). You can give beginners a PS85 and they will feel a sensation when hitting the ball, whereas the PS97RFA is just an unwieldy hammer. I played with it the last couple of years pretty successfully but am transitioning away from it (there is a thread somewhere in which I asked for and got really good recommendations!). Looking back at it and how it impacted my game, my working theory is, that this thing was built to help RF to power through the longer ralleys and topspin dominated game of now. For this task, this racket is perfect. But how often will you be physically able to overpower your opponent?
 

Vlasta

New User
Otherwise, wouldn't most racquets be at least within a gram or two of each other regardless of balance etc.?
That makes sense, you're right.
The reality is that amateur players aren't good enough for minor differences in racquet specs to have a meaningful impact on how well they play.
That's very true! But if you're a beginner, I think your first racquet can affect how you learn to play. It can determine your style up to a point. I started with older Pro Staffs, so I can't get used to head-heavy racquets. Yonex Ezone 98 for example is not supposed to be that head-heavy but I've tried it based on all the raves, and try as I might I couldn't possibly make it work for me. It's lighter than the Pro Staff but in my hands, it feels heavier, like there's more weight pulling my wrist, that may not make much sense but that's how it feels.
I feel exactly the same now as I did 6 years ago.
Had fun reading that thread. Made me laugh a lot! :)
 

Vlasta

New User
t is a great stick. I realized it hitting against a player who was using it. The incoming shots were loaded with spin and power.
I get more RHS from the PS97, more spin, so I tend to hit flatter with the RF97 but the shots are heavier and more difficult to return.
This is my favorite setup for the RF97A (v13) after 2 years of testing and using it as my main racket for matches and practice
I played with it the last couple of years pretty successfully but am transitioning away from it (there is a thread somewhere in which I asked for and got really good recommendations!)

Well, I've been researching and demoing for too long now. I have to decide by tomorrow, so it's going to be either a set of PS97 v13s or the RF97 v13s. Just one more day of thinking and overthinking about this. I considered waiting for the v14 to demo that too, but I kind of love the current velvet black paint job (yes, I'm aware that it chips easily).
 

Arak

Legend
Well, I've been researching and demoing for too long now. I have to decide by tomorrow, so it's going to be either a set of PS97 v13s or the RF97 v13s. Just one more day of thinking and overthinking about this. I considered waiting for the v14 to demo that too, but I kind of love the current velvet black paint job (yes, I'm aware that it chips easily).
To be honest, the PS97 is probably a more mainstream option. The RF97 is quite an exception in today’s racket market, with just a couple of similar but lighter offerings from other manufacturers. I feel that the PS is more comfortable to play, more maneuverable and less tiring, but I win more often when I use the RF97. it takes more effort from me, but it’s rewarding.
 

Myrko

Rookie
Well, I've been researching and demoing for too long now. I have to decide by tomorrow, so it's going to be either a set of PS97 v13s or the RF97 v13s. Just one more day of thinking and overthinking about this. I considered waiting for the v14 to demo that too, but I kind of love the current velvet black paint job (yes, I'm aware that it chips easily).

The PS97 v13 was underpowered for me.

BUT: This can be fixed with lead. With the RF97 you basically only can take stuff away mainly (see above). I still realized that my ideal modded PS97 would be close to the RF97 as described above from me (it could be a tiny bit softer though). And yes, I would make it a bit lighter (probably like 345-350g all in all (315g is the unstrung naked PS97), which would be at least 7g lighter than my RF97)

I think it comes down to the question, if the PS97 has enough plow for you. If so, ok.
For me the answer is no, comparing it with the RF97 (or also other frames like the (modded) Blade Pro). So then you would need to add lead.
But why mod the PS97, if you can buy almost the same as the RF97?

But this is me. You have to find yours.
 
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Ok so I play the RF97A mainly for the past 2 years now - testing (und partly using) a lot of other rackets too - and in the form I use it right now, I still think it is the best stick for me personally. It generally feels the best, gives the best heavy shot with amazing penetration and yes, also for 3 sets in a row.

BUT here are the adjustments I made, because it can easily go wrong as well.

This is my favorite setup for the RF97A (v13) after 2 years of testing and using it as my main racket for matches and practice:

1. I removed the leather grip and put on a lighter syntetic grip (Head Ultimate or Wilson original syntetic (I think its the Wilson Cushion Pro?) - effectivly removing like 8g)
2. I only play pretty soft strings @ 23kg (like Solinco Hyper-G Soft, Hyper-G or max. Confidential (was still good) - do not use stiff strings in the RF97A like Tour Bite, or Tourna Silver 7, which instantly gave me wrist pain) Using a softer string in a stiff racket is the best combination for me.
3. I now only play 1.20mm strings (1.25 or even more make the racket sluggish to swing for me) - that's why the gut mains + poly crosses hybrid also didn't work for me, got to heavy.
4. I use 1 Wilson Pro Overgrip
5. This is minor, but if dampener, then I use a rather light one like the thin one from Technifibre
6. No lead anywhere (obviously not needed). Total weight (strung + grip/dampener) is: 357.1g Swing Weight is: 334

Again, I also own and played the Blade Pro, Ezone 98, Regna 98, Prestige Pro and Technifibre T-Fight 305 (all partly modded) and the RF97A is my favorite. Only the modded Blade Pro came close to a switch the last 2 years.

Here are some pics:
Whoah your racket collection is like the Masterpiece Hall of Fame or something. Maybe just missing the Pure Strike Tour.
 

Myrko

Rookie
Whoah your racket collection is like the Masterpiece Hall of Fame or something. Maybe just missing the Pure Strike Tour.
Only kept the best ones

BTW. I also think you can get used to a heavier frame (same as to a lighter frame). That defiantly happened to me. That being said I also improved in fitness and stamina as well as swing-speed during the last 2 years. That surely helps.
 
Only kept the best ones

BTW. I also think you can get used to a heavier frame (same as to a lighter frame). That defiantly happened to me. That being said I also improved in fitness and stamina as well as swing-speed during the last 2 years. That surely helps.
Yes, it seems you have grooved a smooth stroke from your videos. Eastern forehand I am guessing?
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I demoed it twice in the early years. Found it plays very stiff compared to its RA. Also, it has a small sweet spot compared to many other modern players racquets. I also am not used to the feel of the thin leather grip. The weight was fine as I generally play with high SW, headlight racquets weighing 12 ounces. I think the VCore Pro97, Pure Strike Tour, C10 Pro, Prestige Pro are all better options for those that like heavy racquets.
 

Blahovic

Professional
That makes sense, you're right.

That's very true! But if you're a beginner, I think your first racquet can affect how you learn to play. It can determine your style up to a point. I started with older Pro Staffs, so I can't get used to head-heavy racquets. Yonex Ezone 98 for example is not supposed to be that head-heavy but I've tried it based on all the raves, and try as I might I couldn't possibly make it work for me. It's lighter than the Pro Staff but in my hands, it feels heavier, like there's more weight pulling my wrist, that may not make much sense but that's how it feels.

Had fun reading that thread. Made me laugh a lot! :)
I do agree that the racquets you use when growing up affect the technique you develop
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
The RF97A is always playing its siren song beckoning me to it. I am untying myself from the mast and giving in.
What are the lyrics of the siren song? Is it something like this?

The 3rd-best player of his era with an exploitable BH plays with it against opponents who serve at 130mph/hit at 80mph and so, I should play with it against my opponents who serve at 70mph/hit at 40mph (if that)?” :happydevil:
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
The PS97 v13 was underpowered for me.

BUT: This can be fixed with lead. With the RF97 you basically only can take stuff away mainly (see above). I still realized that my ideal modded PS97 would be close to the RF97 as described above from me (it could be a tiny bit softer though). And yes, I would make it a bit lighter (probably like 345-350g all in all (315g is the unstrung naked PS97), which would be at least 7g lighter than my RF97)

I think it comes down to the question, if the PS97 has enough plow for you. If so, ok.
For me the answer is no, comparing it with the RF97 (or also other frames like the (modded) Blade Pro). So then you would need to add lead.
But why mod the PS97, if you can buy almost the same as the RF97?

But this is me. You have to find yours.
I thought this but after 4 years of using the rf it’s all about qc. It’s already on the limit of what you can use.
 

Vlasta

New User
Ok, I got the RF! But I didn't get a set, just one. I had to, I found one that was exactly on spec. Like 340.00 grams and balance and swing weight were all completely on spec. I couldn't just ignore that. But, I will get the PS97 v13 too, before they launch the golden/bronze v14. Much to the chagrin of my wife who thinks that I should get the Blade v8 in addition to the RF because what's the point of owning two racquets that look almost exactly the same, when I can have both the "cute green one" and "the cool black one".
 
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