Those thinking Djokovic is going to dominate for 4-5 years more are mistaken.

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It’s easy to assume things in tennis but assuming that a 35 year old will dominate will into mid 30s is just too much of assuming. I think field is catching up quickly on Djokovic and Nadal. I don’t see Nadal being a contender beyond next year at slams and Djokovic max till 2024 after that all the Alcarazs, Runes, Sinners will be too good for way past prime all time greats. On hardcourt Djokovic will not be able to dominate like it’s expected as one can see even last 1 year he has won matches on hardcourt against good players by tiny margins and as he ages and experience on side of these kids it will be a mountain too big even for a Djokovic and don’t forget likes of Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas. So field is finally looking immensely strong atleast it will be I feel next year.
 
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He'll still win lots of slams (which is the same as dominating overrall). He already said he isn't going to be play packed schedules every year. Is he going to be #1, week in week out dominant? No. He already has those records but he'll still peak for slams and win plenty more as he showing no real huge signs of decline. Hes declined but very little.

If beer belly Fed can wins slams in his late 30s, Djokovic easily can who takes fitness way more seriously
 
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This is the current scenario. He’s ranked No. 8 with one slam this year with a hella weak draw and one 1000 and 2 MMs. He’s far, far off his prime now and is only where he is because the younger guys are still catching up.
 
socallefty

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Domination days are over. If he is allowed to play all the Slams including Australia, he has a good shot to win 2-3 more Slams before he retires. I would probably bet on 2 more.

You are starting to see too many players who can physically compete well with him on court and the only advantage he has is the mental aura of being a 21-Slam champion who knows how to win Bestof5 matches. But if he has to run through a gauntlet of 3-4 consecutive matches in every Slam that are tough to win physically against the likes of Zverev, Alcaraz, Rune, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Sinner and Nadal along with the the likes of FAA, Berrettini, Kyrgios and Shapo on grass, I think he is going to get worn out by the final as happened at USO21.
 
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I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but just look at Runes body language by the end of yesterdays match. He was borderline limping around. Looks like his poor little legs started getting hit with cramps again.

As bad as djoko choko’d yesterday, I still think he takes that match in a BO5.
 
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If we've learned one thing it's surely to never underestimate the tour's ability to keep the door open for the Big 3 or Big 2. We weren't far off back-to-back 4-slam-final seasons from Djokodal. Can't see anyone taking 3 sets off Djokovic within a single HC match at all atm.
 
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Curtennis said:
I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but just look at Runes body language by the end of yesterdays match. He was borderline limping around. Looks like his poor little legs started getting hit with cramps again.

As bad as djoko choko’d yesterday, I still think he takes that match in a BO5.
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I'm confident that Mouratoglou will help Rune with his stamina issues.
 
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I don't think he will "dominate" anymore, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not #1 ever again. But he's defo contending for slams for the next two seasons, after that, we'll see.
 
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TennisHockey

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At the end of the day he's currently the favourite at AO, W and USO (especially the first two). And the 2nd favorite at RG.
 
aldeayeah

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I think he has at least one full good year left. And if he's lucky with injuries, he'll be a factor on grass for a long time.
 
a10best

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Dennis Peterson said:
Barring serious injury he will win 1-2 slams per year till 2025, it is not like the field will have 4 different champions all of a sudden, no 1 player is good enough to dominate multiple slams, so he will win some. Maybe from US open 2025 onwards winning slams will become close to impossible as Rune will be 22-23, so will Alcaraz, Felix will be 25, Sinner will be 24, these people will prevail from this point on.
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Barring injury with all those tournaments and marathon matches is not realistic. His shoulder has been an issue. He's not 30. He's 35 and the body just breaks down and has done so for all sports greats.
His gluten-free diet and stretching isn't some holy grail. And not even those magic end of set drinks he gets from his trainers will be enough.
Med, Zev, Alcaraz, Rune, Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, FAA, and Shapo have all improved substantially. 4 of these players are definitely not intimidated by him and there's other 2nd tier players (Sinner, Fritz, Nakashima) who will push Novak's body. From the 4th rd to later rounds he'll have really tough matches. No more ez wins like he had with Kevin Anderson's, Ferrer, Monfis, Gasquet, Dimitrov.
 
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a10best said:
Barring injury with all those tournaments and marathon matches is not realistic. His shoulder has been an issue. He's not 30. He's 35 and the body just breaks down and has done so for all sports greats.
His gluten-free diet and stretching isn't some holy grail.And not even those magic end of set drinks he gets from his trainers will be enough.
Med, Zev, Alcaraz, Rune, Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, FAA, and Shapo have all improved substantially. 4 of these players are definitely not intimidated by him and there's other 2nd tier players (Sinner, Fritz, Nakashima) who will push Novak's body. From the 4th rd to later rounds he'll have really tough matches. No more ez wins like he had with Kevin Anderson's, Ferrer, Monfis, Gasquet, Dimitrov.
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The Wolf of Love potion doesn't work for very old and worn out bodies, no.
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Curtennis said:
I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but just look at Runes body language by the end of yesterdays match. He was borderline limping around. Looks like his poor little legs started getting hit with cramps again.

As bad as djoko choko’d yesterday, I still think he takes that match in a BO5.
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I think Rune was cramping more from nerves than lack of fitness.
 
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Pheasant said:
She's not saying that Djokovic won't win any more slams. She is saying Djoker is more likely to win 0 slams than to win 3 or more slams.
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And when did I say that she is not saying that? lol. I just asked that would she wager on an event of Djokovic not winning any. Lol Clowns
 
weakera

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Would like to see 2 more RG from Rafa to make up for the years he should have won in 2016 and 2021.
 
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a10best said:
Djokovic does a marvelous job of moving his opponents. You could see it from Rune gasping in the first set. The kid recovered nicely.
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The last game of 17 mins was also a great example. Rune has a good serve. Can't see anyone in the entire tour who could have saved that game from Djokovic though.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
He's far more likely to never win a slam again as opposed to winning 3 more. And nobody 36-39 dominates in tennis.
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Federer dominated the field outside of novak exactly in that age range. It may not pan out that way, but Djokovic is so far even more fit, and has stated he wants to emulate feds longevity.

If Djokovic had won the bercy final there would be multiple threads on here about him winning 30+.
 
wangs78

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Nadal_King said:
It’s easy to assume things in tennis but assuming that a 35 year old will dominate will into mid 30s is just too much of assuming. I think field is catching up quickly on Djokovic and Nadal. I don’t see Nadal being a contender beyond next year at slams and Djokovic max till 2024 after that all the Alcarazs, Runes, Sinners will be too good for way past prime all time greats. On hardcourt Djokovic will not be able to dominate like it’s expected as one can see even last 1 year he has won matches on hardcourt against good players by tiny margins and as he ages and experience on side of these kids it will be a mountain too big even for a Djokovic and don’t forget likes of Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas. So field is finally looking immensely strong atleast it will be I feel next year.
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You are 100% correct. In terms of athleticism and shotmaking skills, the field has caught up. And now Alcaraz and Rune have shown that not only do they have a complete game but they are mentally ready to step up. There is blood in the water and I don't expect Nadal nor Djokovic to stay in the drivers seat for much longer (it's even possible that it's already over).
 
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BeatlesFan said:
He's far more likely to never win a slam again as opposed to winning 3 more. And nobody 36-39 dominates in tennis.
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You said the same thing about Nadal and about Novak 2-3 years before,
And yet Nadal and Novak have won slams in their 30s and are still the best 2 players on tour.

Fact is - Next Gen just isn't good. Trust me if Fed had no Novak/Nadal and had these jokers, he would have won 5-8 more slams.
 
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The_Order said:
Djok was in trouble against Sinner at Wimbledon too though
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Not really in trouble, given how easily he won the last 3 sets. That's the problem with next gen, they can't keep a high level for long enough to win in BO5. Same thing happened to Musetti and Tsitsipas in DO 2021.
 
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socallefty said:
Domination days are over. If he is allowed to play all the Slams including Australia, he has a good shot to win 2-3 more Slams before he retires. I would probably bet on 2 more.

You are starting to see too many players who can physically compete well with him on court and the only advantage he has is the mental aura of being a 21-Slam champion who knows how to win Bestof5 matches. But if he has to run through a gauntlet of 3-4 consecutive matches in every Slam that are tough to win physically against the likes of Zverev, Alcaraz, Rune, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Sinner and Nadal along with the the likes of FAA, Berrettini, Kyrgios and Shapo on grass, I think he is going to get worn out by the final as happened at USO21.
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I think it largely depends on him playing OZ open will really seal his fate in terms of what his actually number is. The likes of Alcaraz and Rune, sinner, FAA aren’t quite ready to step up and completely dominate yet physically day in day out.. Draws are def becoming more important as well. Djoker still has alot in the tank he is still fav for pretty much all slams ex RG but not to far behind their either… If you take OZ open out the ban won’t be lifted and he won’t play in oz again and taking away that means Wimby is his main chance and to me it cuts my forecast in half or more as he misses a huge chunk of prep and form plus confidence..
 
The_Order

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StrongRule said:
Not really in trouble, given how easily he won the last 3 sets. That's the problem with next gen, they can't keep a high level for long enough to win in BO5. Same thing happened to Musetti and Tsitsipas in DO 2021.
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Come on, Sinner won the first 2 sets and grass is not his best surface historically, he is much better suited to hc.

Sinner's biggest problem is all mental. Against Alcaraz he would have felt much more confident than against Djokovic.
 
socallefty

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DIMI_D said:
I think it largely depends on him playing OZ open will really seal his fate in terms of what his actually number is.
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The AO ban length will have a big impact for sure - I hope it is lifted soon. For a long time, I used to feel that if Djokovic played his best, no one could beat him at the AO/Wimbledon, only Nadal could beat him at the FO and he would at least make the USO final. Now, I feel that he can play his best and still lose to several players at the top if he has already had to play 3-4 tough matches in a row.

As is typical for older players, he is unable to keep his intensity high throughout a match especially if he is playing more on the offensive side of what he is capable of. So, he loses sets in too many Slams matches, reverts to purely counterpunching mode for long periods etc. and I feel that there are enough players who will make him pay in the future as people are not afraid of him anymore. He will end up playimg more long matches in early rounds of Slams than in the past including at the AO. The newestgen respect him but don’t fear him in my opinion as they know that he can be overpowered and they can also dropshot him to death. He also sprays BH errors in long rallies in a way that he never did before.
 
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StrongRule said:
Not really in trouble, given how easily he won the last 3 sets. That's the problem with next gen, they can't keep a high level for long enough to win in BO5. Same thing happened to Musetti and Tsitsipas in DO 2021.
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But that’s the exact point, it’s already so close. Sinner wasn’t ready, he’s only 20 and it was his first Wimbledon QF against a 7 time champ. However this Djokovic will only decline and with experience, Sinner and other young guns will learn and grow. The margins are already this close - so if Djokovic declines even 5% from his current level as he ages, he’s going to lose a lot more, and will no longer be the favorite to win Slams.
 
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