Those thinking Djokovic is going to dominate for 4-5 years more are mistaken.

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sportsfan1 said:
It's not never, rather how many slams he will get in the next 4-5 years. The next gen still has a lot to learn, and he's still the toughest out. You can't read too much into his bo3 losses or use those as a predictor for slams.
As it stands he's still very fit and at a very high level.
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I mean the thing people need to get comfortable with is seeing him lose, seeing him get outplayed, seeing him choke, seeing him falter physically. His fans must adjust to failure, they must expect it.

I will never count him out - but he’s still going to LOSE at 2 or 3 Slams, probably all 4 Slams in the very near future. That is happening. Without a shadow of a doubt. Why people refuse to accept it is super bizarre, and a very scary phenomenon considering all the evidence of this.
 
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mahatma said:
Lol same user was frightened to the core in the actual match thread. But it wasn't competitive, right ;)
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I'm frightened in every match thread, like Rafa himself.

The doubts are normal. Even today I have doubts. Doubts are part of life. A person who doesn’t have doubts is stupid or too arrogant.

Of course in nighttime, Djokovic Open conditions, you never know what could happen.
 
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Teenagers are coming up strong. :-D

Question is how many more slams Nadal and Djokovic will win?
And luck is important.
One more serious injury and 6+ month out, will seriously hamper their chances.
 
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I give him Couple of more years ~ 4-6 slam opportunities. How much he is gonna win depends on young competition. I'd say he wins max 4 from now.
 
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The Fedfather said:
It's already more than reasonable to predict that he won't be dominating for 4-5 more years. He will be going into late 30s as the new stronger competitors will start entering their prime.
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He won‘t dominate everywhere, but he will probably keep his unbeatable aura in Winbledon for a couple of years for example. And he might dominate the AO again if he id allowed to play.
 
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Cortana said:
He won‘t dominate everywhere, but he will probably keep his unbeatable aura in Winbledon for a couple of years for example. And he might dominate the AO again if he id allowed to play.
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I don't see it, but not keen on arguing the point. We will see in time.
 
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Dennis Peterson said:
He is a trendsetter, so he will do what Roger failed to do.
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Fed won 3 slams after turning 35 and was ranked #1 at age 37. Djokovic has achieved neither of those feats.

So much for "trendsetter."

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jl809 said:
Let’s put this another way:
  1. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the AO (if he plays) is Medvedev, a guy who could easily be knocked out by any of Kyrgios, Nadal, Tsitsipas, FAA and even Rune/Alcaraz
  2. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the FO is Nadal, whom he was 1 point away from taking to 5 sets this year and whose body is constantly 1 minute away from breaking (and who may be winding down his career soon for all we know)
  3. Djokovic’s only rival at Wimbledon is Nadal, who hasn’t made a Wimbledon final in 11 years nor beaten Djokovic off clay in 9 years
  4. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the US Open (if he plays) is apparently himself and his own mental weakness, or Medvedev, for whom the same circumstances apply as at the AO
He may not dominate for 4 years, but it is not inconceivable at all that in all of the next 4 years, he will pick up at least 1 slam, unless the situation above changes dramatically
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Djokovic's biggest rivals at the AO are Istomin and Chung.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
He's far more likely to never win a slam again as opposed to winning 3 more. And nobody 36-39 dominates in tennis.
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Fed won his third slam of the last 5 at 36 years old and reached world number 1.

If he can do that - with Novak and Rafa 6 and 5 years younger - then I think there is quite a fair chance for Novak to do that against this field.
 
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socallefty said:
Domination days are over. If he is allowed to play all the Slams including Australia, he has a good shot to win 2-3 more Slams before he retires. I would probably bet on 2 more.

You are starting to see too many players who can physically compete well with him on court and the only advantage he has is the mental aura of being a 21-Slam champion who knows how to win Bestof5 matches. But if he has to run through a gauntlet of 3-4 consecutive matches in every Slam that are tough to win physically against the likes of Zverev, Alcaraz, Rune, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Sinner and Nadal along with the the likes of FAA, Berrettini, Kyrgios and Shapo on grass, I think he is going to get worn out by the final as happened at USO21.
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this. he's still great but time only marches forward and like you said, there are simply more players equipped to 'make him work.' he will of course continue to be a favorite but the road gets longer with every passing day.
 
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jl809 said:
Let’s put this another way:
  1. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the AO (if he plays) is Medvedev, a guy who could easily be knocked out by any of Kyrgios, Nadal, Tsitsipas, FAA and even Rune/Alcaraz
  2. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the FO is Nadal, whom he was 1 point away from taking to 5 sets this year and whose body is constantly 1 minute away from breaking (and who may be winding down his career soon for all we know)
  3. Djokovic’s only rival at Wimbledon is Nadal, who hasn’t made a Wimbledon final in 11 years nor beaten Djokovic off clay in 9 years
  4. Djokovic’s biggest rival at the US Open (if he plays) is apparently himself and his own mental weakness, or Medvedev, for whom the same circumstances apply as at the AO
He may not dominate for 4 years, but it is not inconceivable at all that in all of the next 4 years, he will pick up at least 1 slam, unless the situation above changes dramatically
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I liked this post bc of the last line but I want to debate the "biggest rivals" part:

1. Djokovic's biggest rival at AO is now "The Field"--it isn't one guy. Medvedev isn't invulnerable and there are a growing number of dudes who can hit DjokOrDal off a fast court. If one of those guys catches them when they're fatigued or not feeling it...watch out.

2. FO, agree, especially with Zverev done-zo. Tsitsipas and Musetti might have a go at him again.

3. Biggest danger to him at Wimbledon is the guy who made the F this year and put on an all-time great serving performance in his first Slam Final. If they meet again, Nick might not be as overwhelmed by the moment.

4. Again, "The Field"

Djok and Dal are fast becoming relegated to the natural surfaces, especially with the hardcourt Slams speeding up. Good news for them is that they are still unstoppable there, so each can probably win 3-5 more of their Pet Slam before they're done
 
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TennisFan3 said:
You said the same thing about Nadal and about Novak 2-3 years before,
And yet Nadal and Novak have won slams in their 30s and are still the best 2 players on tour.

Fact is - Next Gen just isn't good. Trust me if Fed had no Novak/Nadal and had these jokers, he would have won 5-8 more slams.
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Really you need to think about the last time there were two 19 year olds in the world’s top 10 and who they were. This next generation is outstandingly good.
 
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mike danny said:
It's ridiculous how players get a big lead on him and the moment he breaks in the next set you know it's all over. There was never any doubt Sinner was losing their Wimb match after he got broken in the 3rd.
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Its clear once Djokovic raises his level, no one except nadal (on clay) can match him - he's too consistent and whatever mental strength improvement he did has paid off big time. Rune and co may need to go through some of these tough losses against Djokovic before they are able to beat him at slams. Like wawrinka until 2014/15.
 
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Dennis Peterson said:
Djokovic has been literally sent by God to teach many people a lesson in humility, the defeat of their hero is just that.
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If you’re talking about the God of the Bible, He humbles everyone, one way or another.

Novak included. Who - if the Bible is true - needs Christ and His forgiveness just as anyone does. And far more importantly than some mission to tennis stars.

So yeah - perhaps it would be blasphemy to Srdjan’s ears - but I dare say, I don’t think God cares much who wins the slam race.

According to Scripture - He cares about righteousness, and mercy, and faithfulness and the poor and the oppressed of the earth, and His Name being Hallowed … just a bit more than ball game scores between multi-millionaire sports stars.

(and I’m not trying to shove my beliefs down people’s throats …. I just wanted to respond seriously to someone asserting God’s special will regarding why Novak Djokovic was sent to Earth.)
 
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clayqueen

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Rosstour said:
3. Biggest danger to him at Wimbledon is the guy who made the F this year and put on an all-time great serving performance in his first Slam Final. If they meet again, Nick might not be as overwhelmed by the moment.
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The guy who made the final at Wimbledon 2022 to play Djokovic got a WO in the SF from the only other guy who did not lose at Wimbledon this year - Rafael Nadal.
 
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sportsfan1 said:
Its clear once Djokovic raises his level, no one except nadal (on clay) can match him - he's too consistent and whatever mental strength improvement he did has paid off big time. Rune and co may need to go through some of these tough losses against Djokovic before they are able to beat him at slams. Like wawrinka until 2014/15.
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We all know that Djokovic knows how to outlast his opponent in the latter part of a match.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Fed won 3 slams after turning 35 and was ranked #1 at age 37. Djokovic has achieved neither of those feats.

So much for "trendsetter."

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You are still holding on to "Federer is so special that only Federer can do that" pseudo religion with those last remaining not so important records achieved when either or both of Nadal and Djokovic were having injury breaks? LOL :-D

Should I say you are true fan or true believer, no? My hats off to you. By the way, it looks like both his last slam and a few weeks at #1 came in January and June of 2018. Wouldn't he be 36 at the time? I'm not so sure, more like I don't care much.
 
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We can say this but there’s 0 indication it’s gonna stop unless he starts to lose frequently at slams and is no longer a lock in places.

Especially on grass, who’s gonna stop him there?
 
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Dennis Peterson said:
I was joking when I said Novak has been literally sent by God as a punisher to teach humility. I am agnostic, not a strict follower of any religion.

However we could look at this whole scenario from Karmic perspective, the universe runs on cause and effect, sometimes the ripples effects of our actions get back to us and this is Karma. Perhaps Roger enjoyed a lot in his peak/prime with all that dominance over his "rivals" and was told so many times that he is the greatest, best ever etc etc, could see him even giggling in happiness when people addressed him as the best of all time, Roger even tried to undermine Novak in the beginning, dismissed him, disrespected Novak's parents, so it maybe the universe's way of balancing the scales with all this. All this has hit him back in a karmic way.

The man who enjoyed 15+ years of being told how special he is (music to his ears) finally realizes he not that special, every record he held dear got taken away in the end. The man who was told for 15+ years that he is not as good as Roger always believed he was better (right from 2006) and thats why he has emerged the winner in the end. This is the great balancing of scales !
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Who according to you is the most alpha out of big 3?
 
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clayqueen

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Fabresque said:
We can say this but there’s 0 indication it’s gonna stop unless he starts to lose frequently at slams and is no longer a lock in places.

Especially on grass, who’s gonna stop him there?
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Especially if he twists the arms of Wimbledon to close the roof in bright sunshine.
 
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Dennis Peterson said:
As you can see Djokovic was confident of beating Nadal on Clay way back in 2006 (even though he was laughed at that) and he also believed in 08 tht he would be 1 in future beating Roger and Rafa. All this was coming anyway,
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Beating Nadal was at the top of Djokovic's bucket list; no greater compliment can be paid to a sportsman. As for beating Roger and Rafa, Novak had to wait until Federer's had passed his prime and Rafa constantly plagued with injury. Without that, he would still be the 3rd wheel.
 
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So much discussion about Djokovic decline. But if Novak playing AO23/WM23 and you have to bet you're money on winner, i wonder how many would not choose Novak. Probably no one.
 
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nov said:
So much discussion about Djokovic decline. But if Novak playing AO23/WM23 and you have to bet you're money on winner, i wonder how many would not choose Novak. Probably no one.
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It just the typical year-end fantasy anyway. "But next year everything will be different."

It's of course mainly about the Slams for Djokovic and Nadal right now. Nadal literally always was out of the picture after the US Open, and there always was some talk about him never being at his best again, and then always he dominated the clay season or at least RG again.

Djokovic had a strange season with all those bans, but finally he got a few matches again. I think his mind is already in Australia now (first if he can play, and if that's sure it's about winning there).

What happens until then in Best of 3 is next to irrelevant, as always. Djokovic always had some random losses in Best of 3, apart from 2015. So no big deal, really. I still think the chance of someone like Rune beating him in Australia is very close to zero.
 
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Kralingen said:
How about the Djokovic situation? Why is it that everyone expects him to stay level and not decline whatsoever? He is a shell of himself compared to his 2018-19 level and that was 4 years ago.
How will he still be running around like Keanu in the Matrix at age 38/39?
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You do not know?
With his Lobo de Amor potion everything is possible.
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NeutralFan said:
I agree with everything but a lot will depend on draws. If he draws Z, Alcaraz and Med back to back then it will be difficult for him even at AO , Wimbledon will be easy for him, RG won't be and neither will USO where there are many players who can beat him.
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I already said it, Djokovic is only two losses away from his inevitable end.
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sportsfan1 said:
Its clear once Djokovic raises his level, no one except nadal (on clay) can match him - he's too consistent and whatever mental strength improvement he did has paid off big time. Rune and co may need to go through some of these tough losses against Djokovic before they are able to beat him at slams. Like wawrinka until 2014/15.
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The barriers are only mental; young players have to believe in their possibilities and they will knock down any obstacle.
It has always been like this.
8-B
 
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