2022 Djokovic vs 2009 Roddick at Wimbledon

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Djokovic has a better chance here than people think to me. He would still be tough to take down if it went 5.
 
junior74

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Roddick would never ever fall for the jedi tricks of bromance and dinner invitations.

Kyrgios on 5.
 
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ChrisRF

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IMO Djokovic would beat both 2009 finalists, because Federer just didn't play a peak match that day apart from serving. But we had the discussion quite often here, and people obviously may believe what they like.

I cannot imagine the dominating Djokovic of the past few years losing a best of 5 match to Roddick. Roddick just doesn't have the tools to trouble Djokovic as soon as the ball is in play (which will happen much more often than Roddick would need it to be).

Federer in his peak form can beat Djokovic of course, but not the 2009 final version.
 
NatF

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ChrisRF said:
IMO Djokovic would beat both 2009 finalists, because Federer just didn't play a peak match that day apart from serving. But we had the discussion quite often here, and people obviously may believe what they like.

I cannot imagine the dominating Djokovic of the past few years losing a best of 5 match to Roddick. Roddick just doesn't have the tools to trouble Djokovic as soon as the ball is in play (which will happen much more often than Roddick would need it to be).

Federer in his peak form can beat Djokovic of course, but not the 2009 final version.
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Djokovic wins with a 3cm hamstring tear?
 
mike danny

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ChrisRF said:
IMO Djokovic would beat both 2009 finalists, because Federer just didn't play a peak match that day apart from serving. But we had the discussion quite often here, and people obviously may believe what they like.

I cannot imagine the dominating Djokovic of the past few years losing a best of 5 match to Roddick. Roddick just doesn't have the tools to trouble Djokovic as soon as the ball is in play (which will happen much more often than Roddick would need it to be).

Federer in his peak form can beat Djokovic of course, but not the 2009 final version.
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You do realize this is 2022 Djokovic, not 2015.

If Roddick had the tools to trouble prime Fed, don't think 2022 Djokovic would be a step too far.

Sorry, but 2022 Djokovic beating 2009 Fed is comedy gold.
 
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NatF said:
Djokovic wins with a 3cm hamstring tear?
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I don't know what to believe with this injury, honestly. I think he WAS injured, but it didn't hurt him too much. At least in the R32 until SF matches he played excellent tennis. In the final he wasn't even that great, and that performance wouldn't look to good in hypothetical matches as well then.

But it's strange with him these days. Sometimes he really looks like he can raise his level at will.
 
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ChrisRF

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mike danny said:
You do realize this is 2022 Djokovic, not 2015.

If Roddick had the tools to trouble prime Fed, don't think 2022 Djokovic would be a step too far.

Sorry, but 2022 Djokovic beating 2009 Fed is comedy gold.
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Well, of course it's about matchups, but Federer really wasn't great in that 2009 final. And if Djokovic beats Roddick (which he would, I have zero doubts about this, just because of his return alone), the Federer of said final would be in huge trouble himself. If we just go by normal or better 2009 Slam form, Federer definitely could win though.

But Djokovic looks so solid and untouchable these days that it's hard to see him being blown off the court if the opponent doesn't play the perfect offensive match. Absolutely peak Federer could do that of course, but not just decent or sub-par versions of 2009.
 
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Oceans II said:
Same result as Djokovic vs Kyrgios, Berrettini, Anderson, Cilic, Del Potro, etc. Arguably easier.
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I tend to agree. Roddick gets very overrated by some of my fellow Federer fans here. I think it's partly an agenda to make Federer look better. But that's not necessary because Federer often crushed Roddick, and one not so optimal performance against him doesn't take Federer's legacy down.
 
mike danny

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ChrisRF said:
Well, of course it's about matchups, but Federer really wasn't great in that 2009 final. And if Djokovic beats Roddick (which he would, I have zero doubts about this, just because of his return alone), the Federer of said final would be in huge trouble himself. If we just go by normal or better 2009 Slam form, Federer definitely could win though.

But Djokovic looks so solid and untouchable these days that it's hard to see him being blown off the court if the opponent doesn't play the perfect offensive match. Absolutely peak Federer could do that of course, but not just decent or sub-par versions of 2009.
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But what makes you think 2022 Djokovic wasn't sub-par?

Fed's Wimb 2009 F form is grossly underestimated these days for some reason. Sure, he may not beat 2015 Djokovic, but he'd have to be incredibly awful for him to lose to 2022 Djokovic, which he wasn't.
 
Winners or Errors

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Yet another thread trying to make 2022/2023 Djokovic look better than prime Federer. LOL. Just accept the inflation era. Djokovic can have all the numbers... No one watching thinks that the competition 35 year old Djokovic is facing holds a candle to anything prior to 2017. The young guys just have not shown up to challenge post-prime Djokodal. We are now on the third run of useless players. Men's tennis is not pretty to watch. There was plenty of interest when Federer entered his 30s with two, nearly three, ATG players breathing down his neck who were 6 years younger. Until 2017 (and in some venues 2019), Djokodal's #1 challenge was a guy 6 years older than them. Who is it now? Air.
 
maratha_warrior

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Djokovic in 3 or 4 .

Roddick would shiver in his boots to face Greatest Returner in a Wimbledon Final .

Roddick was 6-2 up in tie-break and had 4 set points to go Two sets up .
Can you imagine 4 set points ????? :D

And he loses all those 4 set points in an Epic Comedy of Errors . Lol
He couldn't even handle Fed's returning .

And he is going to handle Nole's returning ? Lol
 
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mike danny said:
But what makes you think 2022 Djokovic wasn't sub-par?

Fed's Wimb 2009 F form is grossly underestimated these days for some reason. Sure, he may not beat 2015 Djokovic, but he'd have to be incredibly awful for him to lose to 2022 Djokovic, which he wasn't.
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That's hard to tell. He was in the twilight of his absolutely consisent days of Slam dominance. Bad days were coming up from time to time. Who can tell if the form in that single match wasn't already similar to the soon following Del Potro, Berdych or Söderling losses at Slams or the big trouble he had with Davydenko at the Australian Open etc.? Add the pressure of playing for the Slam record, and a sub-par performance becomes quite explainable.

Djokovic's form is hard to extrapolate into a Federer match. It wasn't his best Wimbledon in 2022, I agree with that. He was much better at this AO (apart from the final) despite the injury. But he can always step up when it's needed the most, especially against big players. Of course 2009 Federer still has better chances to beat him than Roddick. You don't beat Djokovic just with a serve (or serve and forehand).
 
mike danny

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ChrisRF said:
That's hard to tell. He was in the twilight of his absolutely consisent days of Slam dominance. Bad days were coming up from time to time. Who can tell if the form in that single match wasn't already similar to the soon following Del Potro, Berdych or Söderling losses at Slams or the big trouble he had with Davydenko at the Australian Open etc.? Add the pressure of playing for the Slam record, and a sub-par performance becomes quite explainable.
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It wasn't in any way similar to the Berdych and Soderling losses since Federer did go past the QFs of the subsequent 2 slams.

ChrisRF said:
Djokovic's form is hard to extrapolate into a Federer match. It wasn't his best Wimbledon in 2022, I agree with that. He was much better at this AO (apart from the final) despite the injury. But he can always step up when it's needed the most, especially against big players. Of course 2009 Federer still has better chances to beat him than Roddick. You don't beat Djokovic just with a serve (or serve and forehand).
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You talk as if Roddick is Berrettini or something.
 
NatF

NatF

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ChrisRF said:
That's hard to tell. He was in the twilight of his absolutely consisent days of Slam dominance. Bad days were coming up from time to time. Who can tell if the form in that single match wasn't already similar to the soon following Del Potro, Berdych or Söderling losses at Slams or the big trouble he had with Davydenko at the Australian Open etc.? Add the pressure of playing for the Slam record, and a sub-par performance becomes quite explainable.

Djokovic's form is hard to extrapolate into a Federer match. It wasn't his best Wimbledon in 2022, I agree with that. He was much better at this AO (apart from the final) despite the injury. But he can always step up when it's needed the most, especially against big players. Of course 2009 Federer still has better chances to beat him than Roddick. You don't beat Djokovic just with a serve (or serve and forehand).
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People with eyes?
 
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ChrisRF

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mike danny said:
It wasn't in any way similar to the Berdych and Soderling losses since Federer did go past the QFs of the subsequent 2 slams.
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I mean in that certain match alone. When the absolute dominance is gone, bad days may come and go, no matter the round.

And Roddick is really similar to Berrettini in what are his strengths and weaknesses. His serve it still better though. But he also is someone who couldn't do that much in return games against absolute top guys like Federer and Djokovic. So has to hope for tiebreaks, and most often he wouldn't reach them. Really, against a returner like Djokovic he would looks helpless on a normal day. Not any day is normal, of course, but usually. Roddick was lucky to meet a pre-prime and not healthy Djokovic a few times.
 
mike danny

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ChrisRF said:
I mean in that certain match alone. When the absolute dominance is gone, bad days may come and go, no matter the round.

And Roddick is really similar to Berrettini in what are his strengths and weaknesses. His serve it still better though. But he also is someone who couldn't do that much in return games against absolute top guys like Federer and Djokovic. So has to hope for tiebreaks, and most often he wouldn't reach them. Really, against a returner like Djokovic he would looks helpless on a normal day. Not any day is normal, of course, but usually. Roddick was lucky to meet a pre-prime and not healthy Djokovic a few times.
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Roddick actually challenged prime Federer, a better grass courter than Djokovic and was by far Roddick's most agonizing match-up.

I mean, if you're willing to compare Roddick to Berrettini, tell me when did Federer ever destroy Roddick as much as he destroyed Berrettini?
 
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ChrisRF

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mike danny said:
Roddick actually challenged prime Federer, a better grass courter than Djokovic and was by far Roddick's most agonizing match-up.

I mean, if you're willing to compare Roddick to Berrettini, tell me when did Federer ever destroy Roddick as much as he destroyed Berrettini?
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Not on grass, but on hardcourt quite a few times. Most famous of course being the 2007 Australian Open. And Berrettini was just one match. I doubt he would be able to repeat that. However, I'm quite sure he would never lose to him if not injured or something.

And despite Roddick being good on grass I never had the feeling that Federer could lose to him either. Surprisingly not even for a second during the 2009 final, despite not being pleased with Federer's performance. I was generally so convinced of Federer's greatness and Roddick's limits that I always took a match between them for granted back then. Maybe my best friend and fellow Federer fan was part of that, because he always laughed at Roddick and often said things like "Yeah, come to the net and bend over again" during those matches. But I remember that we were always massively afraid of Nadal on any surface.
 
Noleberic123

Noleberic123

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mike danny said:
You do realize this is 2022 Djokovic, not 2015.

If Roddick had the tools to trouble prime Fed, don't think 2022 Djokovic would be a step too far.

Sorry, but 2022 Djokovic beating 2009 Fed is comedy gold.
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2009 Wimby final Fed is like 2015 AO Djokovic. He won but he was far from great for his standards.
 
Kralingen

Kralingen

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Andrew Roddick in 5. I’m giving Djokovic 5 sets because he’s such a fighter and has pulled Houdini acts hundreds of times. But it could honestly be 3/4 for Roddick, remember he was a smoked volley from going up 2 sets on peak Federer
 
BeatlesFan

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2004 Roddick beats Djokovic but not the 2009 version, Stefanki had already screwed up Andy's FH. Never forget he choked away the second set TB at 6-2 and had the wildly botched volley. Djoker in four.
 
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