tt_the_man
Banned
Ivanovic, Jankovic, and Djokovic seem like such nice people, but I'd be amazed if they don't harbor resentment toward the U.S. for bombing their country. Do they secretly hate us?
Do Serbs hate the U.S. for bombing them?
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SempreSami
Hall of Fame
They're a tough lot the Serbs, could've laughed the whole thing off for all we know.
daddy
Legend
No mate, really we dont hate the usa nor its people. Political establishment has absolutely nothing to do with you ordinary guys, if I was to hate someone, it is surely not going to be a whole nation nor anyone particular like your everyday people who had no say in anything related to this and many other things in usa foreign policy and I am sure all my fellow countrymen feel the same.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
I doubt it. They are not the ones to hold a grudge. I was friends with a couple of them while living in Europe. Really nice people. Some older Serbians might think otherwise, but the younger generation is more forgiving.
Phil
Hall of Fame
Damn, that's well-put. I wish everyone could say the same thing as this. You're a decent chap!
daddy
Legend
Trust me on this one, its not just saying that. I am sure other serbs on the board will comment similarly. Its not been easy but you know what, thats life. We should get over it, built up our economy and try to clear our image in the world since we are not what people usually think of us.
Phil
Hall of Fame
That's what I mean-to say something like that and actually MEAN IT. Politics seems to wreck everything. We're all human, we're all made of the same material and it's a matter of getting past what some faceless leaders do, in OUR NAME and without OUR permission.Trust me on this one, its not just saying that. I am sure other serbs on the board will comment similarly. Its not been easy but you know what, thats life. We should get over it, built up our economy and try to clear our image in the world since we are not what people usually think of us.
Mike Bulgakov
G.O.A.T.
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SikSerb
Hall of Fame
Its not a easy question to answer and people DO NOT think the way daddy says. hatred for america is in my country, not only for the bombings but because of other things they are STILL doing to our country.
Its the american government that I hate with a strong passion. I hated the whole United States and its people and everything to do with it when the bombing of my country went on. Not so much do I hate the people now but a feeling remains in me. I hate the American goverment and its politicians more than anything and wish the worst to them. I wont go into it, but there is a feeling that my people have against americans, because of numerous reasons.
Its not something you can answer so easily. And to be honest dont why you ask this question.
tt_the_man
Banned
Obviously there is nothing I can do about it. Just curious, and wondering what to expect if I ever visit Eastern Europe. (And also, I feel slightly guilty about it, despite having nothing to do with the decision.)
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vkartikv
Hall of Fame
Wherever you go, go with an open mind and heart. If someone does you wrong because of your ethnic background, he is the close-minded one, not you
daddy
Legend
I can dig that the guy with nick sick serb can think otherwise. My close friend from Detroit was here for 3 weeks, I can send you guys his email and you ask him what a hell of a time we had. I can assure you - there are people who blame everyone for everything but really its not the majority and it is not turned against any guy in particular. I dont like the establishment but what now, should I go on a rampage ?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
my wife is born American, I took her back to Serbia in 1999 (just before the bombing) and in 2001, and took her folks to visit in 2004 and 2007. They loved it over there and loved people over there and admitted they probably had the times of their lives while visiting...
I am sure there is hate toward USA politics, not only from Serbian people but from the majority in the World...
Anyways, young people are looking into the future not past...
superman1
Legend
Get over it.
zagor
Bionic Poster
It's not easy to get over bombing,it leaves scares,maybe if you had experienced it yourself you would understand.But you are right he should get over it because life goes on and as daddy sad hating the entire nation for what their pollitical establishment did is simply wrong.I'm sure most of the ordinary American guys here are against violence of any kind.
ok, when another terrorist attack happens in your country. You "just get over it". You people are disgustingly arrogant, it would be funny if it weren't a sad commentary on you society. :twisted:
please don't assume that. america has the highest crime rate in the western world. violence, domestic and foriegn are very much appreciated in Amerikkka.
And you.......
Yes. And you should move your country in the right direction by not electing another war mongering, mentally deficient, slow talking inbred hick as your president. That is, if you want the world's respect. Which you're far from having. Nice day!
Yes. And you should move your country in the right direction by not electing another war mongering, mentally deficient, slow talking inbred hick as your president. That is, if you want the world's respect. Which you're far from having. Nice day!
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Celina, no reasonable person would expect a civilian impacted by a bombing campaign to get over it easily, if ever. But the shame is not that the US acted but that we waited too long to act expecting the UN/Europeans to do something. Unfortunately Milosevic was prematurely sent to Hell and never got a public trial which perhaps would have educated more people about exactly what happened.
And the "disgustingly arrogant" people of the US will in all liklihood be pressing for the independence of Kosovo. So I guess you can add that to your list of grievances. Hopefully the Serbs have had enough of the nightmare and they can move on. But your recent elections are most certainly not a good sign for Serbia. That a few people grew up in that wartime mess and become world class tennis players has to make everyone smile.
And the "disgustingly arrogant" people of the US will in all liklihood be pressing for the independence of Kosovo. So I guess you can add that to your list of grievances. Hopefully the Serbs have had enough of the nightmare and they can move on. But your recent elections are most certainly not a good sign for Serbia. That a few people grew up in that wartime mess and become world class tennis players has to make everyone smile.
Yes. And you should move your country in the right direction by not electing another war mongering, mentally deficient, slow talking inbred hick as your president. That is, if you want the world's respect. Which you're far from having. Nice day!
Your right the hick from Arkansas bombed Serbia former President Bill Clinton needing cover for impeachment proceeding, and started the war diversion. Prior to that, Serbia was a huge ally to the U.S.
You need a history lesson! http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5570
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No Drop Shots
Rookie
The USA hasn't only bombed Serbia!! Don't forget Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Hungary, Italy, Tunisia, Greece, Austria, Romania, Japan, Thailand, Nauru, Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Marshall Islands, Singapore, Phillipines, China, Korea, Guatemala, Indonesia, Cuba, Congo, Peru, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. Who will it be tomorrow?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
stupid comment!
jmverdugo
Hall of Fame
They in particular?, dont think so, other serbs, for sure ... war is the stupidiest thing man ever invented and there is no excuse for what have been done, but yuo cant live thinking about the past and the bad things that has happened, it will make you a bitter person.
daddy
Legend
2nd round of ellections is on 3rd of Feb so we will win no issues there.
As we did during this decade .. we should drop the politics from the board.
daddy
Legend
Yes. And you should move your country in the right direction by not electing another war mongering, mentally deficient, slow talking inbred hick as your president. That is, if you want the world's respect. Which you're far from having. Nice day!
Celina, I can see your point, maybe Barack would be a bit of fresh air for them talking about elections. On the other hand get over it thing was not good to write but essentially what can one do about the past ?
I mean lets put logic to paper, I am not apologetic nor soft nor anything similar as some people said. I just think there is no use in WASTING emotions on something which happened. Yeah, Ill not forget it, never. I will never say that was easy to live thru or right thing to do from the us side, cmon - bomb a country ?
In my view, logic is - lets use our energy to a positive cause, lets try to do whats best right now and put all our effort and emotions towards future not the past. Thats about all. And on top of that, I do not want to hate any human beign especially guys who had absolutely nothing to do with bombing or as I said with usa forreign policy which is ****ty, but ordinray people are not guilty and I refuse to hate people for mistakes their leadership made. They chose them, but did they really know how will foreign policy be conducted? Americans engage in elections turned much more towards questions regarding their country, I have a feeling most of them would also like stronger economy, health insurance and so on. Most of them would like their kids out of Irak and back home. That is all.
cadfael_tex
Professional
This got ugly fast...
I can't comment on American foreign policy (UCMJ) but I will hopefully leave it at this - The Serbian people have great ambassadors for their Nation in their Tennis players whose charm and sportsmanship (as well as tennis ability) have brought positive attention to Serbia.
PS I was rooting for them against Fish and Serena in the Hopman cup.
I can't comment on American foreign policy (UCMJ) but I will hopefully leave it at this - The Serbian people have great ambassadors for their Nation in their Tennis players whose charm and sportsmanship (as well as tennis ability) have brought positive attention to Serbia.
PS I was rooting for them against Fish and Serena in the Hopman cup.
SikSerb
Hall of Fame
Get over it? Serbia was illegally bombed by NATO which were originally established to protect western nations from the Eastern bloc. They illegally bombed and killed our people, "accidently" bombed our hospitals, and bridges containing many fleeing people, needlessly destroyed many of our landmarks and bombed MANY civilian targets. They were animals...
Get over it? ill never get over it, but i will try to forget it. Would you say what you write to me to my face? No, so ill forget you too.
Get over it? ill never get over it, but i will try to forget it. Would you say what you write to me to my face? No, so ill forget you too.
No Drop Shots
Rookie
NATO was acting to protect the Bosnians from the Serbs!! Lets not forget that the Serbs were bombed in order to try to halt the 1000's of Bosnian men/women and children that had their hands cuffed behind their backs, forced to kneel in front of shallow pits and shot in the back of the head!!
Absolutely none of which has anything to do with Djok/Ivanovic or Jank who are all lovely people and incredible tennis players and have my upmost respect, just as I do not dislike ARod or Blake etc for the fact that the USA (that peace loving nation!) has bombed more than 40 countries in the last 60 years. Thats a new country every 1.5 years!!!!! The numbers killed by the Serbs pales into insignificance compared to the numbers killed by US. Lets just love players for their tennis and forget that tennis players are not responsible for the heinous acts committed by their country.
Well said mate.
swedechris
Banned
anyone would be mad
if their country or backyard was invaded /violated / occupied or in other ways abused. thats normal. just look at how we in the us have reacted since 9/11 ... hatred ran high and seems to been 'used' in a wacky way.
i have been to eastern europe and the people there cant be seen as a body of samness . they are , jsut like all over the world , of differnt opinions ..
but waht you send out in signals you usual get back ..
so being communicative receiving and softly confident and present is a plus whenever in a new culture or country.
i have travelled in my job and seen most of the world and the foreign policies and actions of governments are not appreciated and we in the us now have a lot to account for so to be aware of that and to see the other side of the coin/ change perspective around a bit in order to have a free and open mindset about things is a good thing .
if their country or backyard was invaded /violated / occupied or in other ways abused. thats normal. just look at how we in the us have reacted since 9/11 ... hatred ran high and seems to been 'used' in a wacky way.
i have been to eastern europe and the people there cant be seen as a body of samness . they are , jsut like all over the world , of differnt opinions ..
but waht you send out in signals you usual get back ..
so being communicative receiving and softly confident and present is a plus whenever in a new culture or country.
i have travelled in my job and seen most of the world and the foreign policies and actions of governments are not appreciated and we in the us now have a lot to account for so to be aware of that and to see the other side of the coin/ change perspective around a bit in order to have a free and open mindset about things is a good thing .
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Let's start with Oliver Cromwell....now, do you really want to go there, Dumbkirk?
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
Well, that's kind of unneccessary as well isn't it?
This issue is too sensitive to go about making rash comments like
"get over it"
How would americans like it if other people said "get over it" about 9/11
Serbia may not have been doing things properly by UN standards...by ethnic clensing thru Kosovo....but it was the EU's responsibility to head a Diplomacy team...
Before you could say "cigar"....we had a nation on another continent completely being an agrressor and firing bombs from the air...
What's more...if the US people had a vote on it...they probably would have said no to the bombing...the US people are light years ahead of their politicians.
Diplomacy might have jokes made about it...but it needs a chance.
Back to the tennis players...I'm sure they have relatives with resentment.
But it would be not wise to start criticizing a country where you make a lot of your income....that would put them in a hypocritic situation..
ie..if you hate the US, why go there?
No Drop Shots
Rookie
40 different countries in 60 years. Has been at least 18 months since Sudan, 18 months before that it was Iraq and 18 months before that Afghanistan. Gotta just be itching to make it 41 countries by now, surely you have a stockpile that needs using up? who is it gonna be next, Iran, N Korea, Syria????
Serve em Up
Rookie
Didn't the NATO bomings have something to do with a thorny Serb politician named Milosevic that was doing a little ethnic housecleaning?
As I remember , there was outrage in the world that the US stood by for too long without doing something to stop that nutball.
The US is the biggest most powerful country in the world. It will be criticised for acting and for not acting. My intuition tells me we should just let other countries work out their own problems regardless of how many people get killed. In either case the US will be hated until there is someone out there bigger than we are.
The Serbs have some wonderful and very gracious tennis players. No wonder their country is so enamored with them.
As I remember , there was outrage in the world that the US stood by for too long without doing something to stop that nutball.
The US is the biggest most powerful country in the world. It will be criticised for acting and for not acting. My intuition tells me we should just let other countries work out their own problems regardless of how many people get killed. In either case the US will be hated until there is someone out there bigger than we are.
The Serbs have some wonderful and very gracious tennis players. No wonder their country is so enamored with them.
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well put, people seem to forget this too often. Its a shame that the US stood by for so long
Sadly, that applies to a WHOLE LOT of people ...
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