On Fed's decline

ACE of Hearts

ACE of Hearts

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Does anyone agree that this would be the biggest and most shocking decline?Its weird because this guy played well in the aussie open till he met Djoker and everything went downhill after that.U cant compare this to Borg because i felt that Borg still had alot of great tennis left.I still dont get it.I dont buy the Mono.This is baffling,how he is falling from grace out of the blue.26 is not old in tennis and his game isnt a grind.
 
crawl4

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why another thread on this..we dont no whats gonna happen to fed, he may win the next 3 GS or not
 
ACE of Hearts

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Maybe because the guy has dominated the last 3 years and he hasncompletly goned backwards.He needs points if he wants to stay number 1 at the end of the year.
 
jlan

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It's probably been said already in the other 50 threads like this, but I believe Roger is still feeling the effects of mono. Ancic was out for 5 months and was in bed for up to 17 hours a day during that period. For Federer to even be doing anything is amazing.

Are people forgetting how he dismantled his opponents (minus Gonzalez) at the Masters Cup just last November? Ferrer was arguably playing the best tennis of his life during the tournament and Roger absolutely destroyed him in the finals. Two months later, Roger looks sluggish and still does right now.

Give the man a couple more months to be fully recovered and to find his game again. If he loses early in Wimbledon, that's when I would think he's really on a "temporary" decline.
 
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srvnvly

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I would love to see Roger break Pete's GS record, but even Pete (and I am a huge Sampras fan) had a lull before winning his last 2 GS titles.
 
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jlan said:
It's probably been said already in the other 50 threads like this, but I believe Roger is still feeling the effects of mono. Ancic was out for 5 months and was in bed for up to 17 hours a day during that period. For Federer to even be doing anything is amazing. .
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Which is why some people are not buying the mono story. But to each his own. I think if he won that AO we might never have heard the mono from his agent. It is possible. To be playing tour level tennis with mono is something I can't really imagine, much less just going out of the house just to play in your local park. But there are "different" levels of mono some people say. I find it ironic that Henin is kind of suffering the same surprising one sided losses of late as well.

Maybe, just maybe these players just took their gas off the pedal and are having trouble finding the groove again, especially since competition is seemingly tougher now than 4 years ago, even 2 years ago. But lastly, if he doesn't win a slam this entire year, what will it be? A decline or mono? If he doesn't win another slam will it be mono for 5-6 years too? I mean, when is the "mono" going to be used and for how much longer? If he wins one slam this year and never again will it have been that the mono went away for one slam and came back again for the rest of his career? You get where I'm going.
 
calvinchang

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hold up... when sampras was 26 didn't he have similar results?
I remember there being a thread on it...

a quarter final, and 2 semis doesn't seem so bad to me
 
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Maybe he's reached a point where his bank account is big enough so he's gonna coast through another year or two just to make sure he's set for life and go about his business being a playboy leaving a trail of spent models in his wake. :twisted:
 
Lefty5

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the guy on CNNSI thinks he's just defending his #1 ranking with the least amt of effort neccessary. He can maintain the ranking if he keeps reaching quarters and semis. Then he'll probably get over his mono and take Wimby.
 
zagor

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Well he is declining for one reason or another but that doesn't mean he's done winning slams,even if he loses the number one ranking.I still think he has great tennis left in him but I wouldn't be surprised if he loses the top spot this year.I don't expect him to win FO but I think that Wimbledon this year will be crucial for him.
 
ksbh

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I'm counting and we're now at 1322- the number of times that Fed fans have claimed Fed has mono. Studies have shown that anything repeated for about 1600 times gets people to fiirmly believe. You're almost there! :)

jlan said:
It's probably been said already in the other 50 threads like this, but I believe Roger is still feeling the effects of mono. Ancic was out for 5 months and was in bed for up to 17 hours a day during that period. For Federer to even be doing anything is amazing.
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ninman

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zagor said:
Well he is declining for one reason or another but that doesn't mean he's done winning slams,even if he loses the number one ranking.I still think he has great tennis left in him but I wouldn't be surprised if he loses the top spot this year.I don't expect him to win FO but I think that Wimbledon this year will be crucial for him.
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Wouldn't be a big deal if he did lose the number 1 ranking, he's been ranked number 1 in the world for more consecutive weeks than any other player in history by a mile. In fact whenever he does lose it the record that he sets probably won't get broken by anyone, male or female, for a good 30 years. I think he'll win 6-8 titles this year including Wimbledon and the US Open, possibly the French too if he's lucky and end the year as number 1.

Remember that 10 years ago when Sampras was 26 this was the last year that he finished at number 1 in his career. I think Federer still has a lot to give and I just hope his body recovers soon so we can see him at his best again.
 
ninman

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ksbh said:
I'm counting and we're now at 1322- the number of times that Fed fans have claimed Fed has mono. Studies have shown that anything repeated for about 1600 times gets people to fiirmly believe. You're almost there! :)
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We aren't claiming it, Federer said it himself. So you're basically calling Federer a liar.
 
zagor

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I hope we'll see him play great tennis agains as well and yes he set many records that will be very hard to beat.He is one in a lifetime player even if some people here don't give him enough credit(mainly those who don't want him to break Pete's record)for what he has done for the last 4 years.
 
ksbh

ksbh

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Pretty brave there, ol' bean! Coming into a place swarming with Federer lovers and making comments like that!

Anyways, I have a bad habit of digressing. So back to the subject ... perhaps it's a new variant of the mono, maybe a Swiss version that only surfaces when Federer is losing? Well, I'm no doctor or mono specialist but you see the point? LOL!

Morrissey said:
Maybe, just maybe these players just took their gas off the pedal and are having trouble finding the groove again, especially since competition is seemingly tougher now than 4 years ago, even 2 years ago. But lastly, if he doesn't win a slam this entire year, what will it be? A decline or mono? If he doesn't win another slam will it be mono for 5-6 years too? I mean, when is the "mono" going to be used and for how much longer? If he wins one slam this year and never again will it have been that the mono went away for one slam and came back again for the rest of his career? You get where I'm going.
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zagor

zagor

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ksbh said:
Pretty brave there, ol' bean! Coming into a place swarming with Federer lovers and making comments like that!

Anyways, I have a bad habit of digressing. So back to the subject ... perhaps it's a new variant of the mono, maybe a Swiss version that only surfaces when Federer is losing? Well, I'm no doctor or mono specialist but you see the point? LOL!
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What has bravery got to do with internet?
 
ksbh

ksbh

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Well, hold your horses there young Ninman! I wouldn't go so far as to call Federer a liar. I must admit I don't have the courage of a certain Morrissey to make comments like that on this forum .

How about we just say Federer isn't being entirely honest? LOL!

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We aren't claiming it, Federer said it himself. So you're basically calling Federer a liar.
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Fed just had a bug befopre the AO, but he was 100% by the first round, Fed just called that bug Mono for some reason.-mabe to take the pressure off himself while he works on fixing his game.

Looks like Fed's never going to catch Sampras. Oh well.


ninman said:
We aren't claiming it, Federer said it himself. So you're basically calling Federer a liar.
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Andres

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TheNatural said:
Fed just had a bug befopre the AO, but he was 100% by the first round, Fed just called that bug Mono for some reason.-mabe to take the pressure off himself while he works on fixing his game.

Looks like Fed's never going to catch Sampras. Oh well.
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I agree. Fed may or not have been ill, but it was definitely no MONONUCLEOSIS.

There's no possible way he could play WITH mono, and keep playing the two months laters, with no side effects than some low footspeed.

Maybe he had a stomach virus, but definitely not mononucleosis. It can't be.
 
veroniquem

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Weren't there other players who had mono? Didn't they stop playing for several months? Can anybody confirm that?
 
vandre

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i heard jmac on "center court" talking about his dominant period. he said that his opponents feared him during that time and once he started getting beat by players he'd handled easily, no one on tour was afraid of him any more and winning matches got alot tougher.

i think that's exactly what we're seeing now with fed. players have stopped wetting their pants when they see him on the other side of the net. tispy proved you can push him, djoker, murray, fish and now even roddick (who fed had repeatedly pwned) have proven it is possible to beat fed on something other than clay.

i dunno how this will turn out but that's why they play the matches! it will be interesting to see if fed regains his prior form.
 
Eviscerator

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ACE of Hearts said:
Does anyone agree that this would be the biggest and most shocking decline?
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If you think back just a decade ago, Sampras went through the same thing and everyone was dismayed. Sure he had some injuries that made it more understandable, but it was still a shock to see him go from being expected to win 2-3 slams a year to not even winning smaller tourneys for stretches.
I hope for Federer's sake he stays healthy, but tennis players typically start to lose a half step at this point in their career. Unfortunately that is all it takes to go from unbeatable to losing a close match to another very good player.
 
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fastdunn

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he had mono. but very light symtoms. it can re-occurr even after 6 months.

there will be some uncertainties over his health for a while like 1 year.

it will definitely affect his confidence.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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ACE of Hearts said:
Does anyone agree that this would be the biggest and most shocking decline?Its weird because this guy played well in the aussie open till he met Djoker and everything went downhill after that.U cant compare this to Borg because i felt that Borg still had alot of great tennis left.I still dont get it.I dont buy the Mono.This is baffling,how he is falling from grace out of the blue.26 is not old in tennis and his game isnt a grind.
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If indeed he suffers from mono, then his lack of results are completely logical, not shocking. Mono is not a fluke or an injury you can treat in a few weeks. It affects your level of energy MASSIVELY for a really long time (I could hardly get out of bed when I had it). I still can't understand how anyone could have mono and keep playing at that competitive level. Doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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veroniquem said:
If indeed he suffers from mono, then his lack of results are completely logical, not shocking. Mono is not a fluke or an injury you can treat in a few weeks. It affects your level of energy MASSIVELY for a really long time (I could hardly get out of bed when I had it). I still can't understand how anyone could have mono and keep playing at that competitive level. Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Federer had mono. No if's or buts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3282485
 
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Tennis_Goodness

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Watching the AO I KNEW something was wrong with Federer even before all this mono talk came out. He was pale and looked like he lost about 20 pounds! Even the commentators were saying Federer was looking very thin before they even knew about what he had.

I think the Mono is still affecting him and he could not train properly because of it. That is the most likely reason, the other players just didn't get really really good in a couple of months, that's riduculous. You can clearly see Federer is slower and not in the same phsycial shape as he was even two months ago!
 
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Povl Carstensen

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Mono indeed comes in different strengths. I had it once, and was not bedridden, just a bit beside myself, was told not to enjoy alcohol for 3 months. No reason to doubt Federers mono. Maybe he is just suffering from the lack of alcohol?
 
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ACE of Hearts said:
Does anyone agree that this would be the biggest and most shocking decline?Its weird because this guy played well in the aussie open till he met Djoker and everything went downhill after that.U cant compare this to Borg because i felt that Borg still had alot of great tennis left.I still dont get it.I dont buy the Mono.This is baffling,how he is falling from grace out of the blue.26 is not old in tennis and his game isnt a grind.
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We had a lot of fun with this particular discussion yesterday and i think the general view is that RF will win again, most feel his time will come at W, some of the die hard fans are kind of hoping that he'll do the FO. I actually think his last GS win was last yrs USO. I understand that when you look at the whole body of work over the last 4 yrs, you're all thinking that there is no way that, he can lose it just like that, but the reality it isnt 'just like that'. To do what RF has done for the length of time that he has takes phenominal skill and stamina, the reality is at some point it has to end. Well why is it so hard to accept that this may be where it starts to unravel? The thing with the mono, i cant and wont comment on that. However for the past four years and a bit the fellow virtually set a record every time he won so i think it's fair to say that he's left is mark on the game.
 
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Eph

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Morrissey said:
Which is why some people are not buying the mono story. But to each his own. I think if he won that AO we might never have heard the mono from his agent. It is possible. To be playing tour level tennis with mono is something I can't really imagine, much less just going out of the house just to play in your local park. But there are "different" levels of mono some people say. I find it ironic that Henin is kind of suffering the same surprising one sided losses of late as well.

Maybe, just maybe these players just took their gas off the pedal and are having trouble finding the groove again, especially since competition is seemingly tougher now than 4 years ago, even 2 years ago. But lastly, if he doesn't win a slam this entire year, what will it be? A decline or mono? If he doesn't win another slam will it be mono for 5-6 years too? I mean, when is the "mono" going to be used and for how much longer? If he wins one slam this year and never again will it have been that the mono went away for one slam and came back again for the rest of his career? You get where I'm going.
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FWIW, I closed a tennis game the day I got mono, and closed another game 2 days later. (baseball)

The right fluids and meds, and you can handle it. You certainly aren't at 100%.

I think people need to stop being doctors until they have an MD next to their name.
 
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pound cat

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veroniquem said:
Weren't there other players who had mono? Didn't they stop playing for several months? Can anybody confirm that?
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Ancic /Federer and mono. These are 2 aricles, one following the other that came up in a google search.

ESPN - Will injuries, illness allow Ancic to regain top-10 form ...Mario Ancic. Doctors told him he had mono, and Ancic spent most of the next 10 weeks in bed. He spoke to athletes who dealt with the condition and similar ...
sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3064618 - 65k - Cached - Similar pages

Mario Ancic - Tennis News, Bio, Quotes, PicturesQ. When you had mono, did you ever think of Mario Ancic and the fact he missed like six months?ROGER FEDERER: For some reason I didn't think of him, no, ...
 
Fedace

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Federer's forehand has been very inconsistant as of late. he is hitting it just as hard but they are going wide or long.
 
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quest01

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I think Federer having mono may have been a legitimate excuse during the Aussie Open but it had no effect on him in the following tournaments.

I don't think Federer is in decline just yet, Wimbledon will be the judge of that and will ultimately be his breaking point.
 
ninman

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danb said:
You play - you're healthy. When sick recover. That simple.
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Right because people don't do things when they are sick or injured ever right. For example Sampras had an illness, can't remember what, Nadal has dodgy knees, Bruce Lee had chronic back pain, a guy called Alain Robert climbs skyscrapers with epilepsy, vertigo and no safety equipment. Point being, you don't have to be 100% healthy to play tennis, depending on the severity of your illness.

Federer was lucky his mono wasn't a hell of a lot worse, because he would have lost his number 1 ranking by now.
 
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lonestar

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This board seem to be full of doctors.
I am not a doctor either but I can tell you that Mono is something that can last 1 week or 2 years. The course of disease is very individual.

I experienced it myself and I was fully recovered within 3 weeks. All I had was a strong angina. I wasn't even bedridden during that time. On the other hand, a good friend of mine was knocked out for more than 1 year.

So stop with the whole crap about Roger is lying etc. Why should he anyway?As long as you can't show me your MD you better STFU.
 
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daddy

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lonestar said:
This board seem to be full of doctors.
I am not a doctor either but I can tell you that Mono is something that can last 1 week or 2 years. The course of disease is very individual.

I experienced it myself and I was fully recovered within 3 weeks. All I had was a strong angina. I wasn't even bedridden during that time. On the other hand, a good friend of mine was knocked out for more than 1 year.

So stop with the whole crap about Roger is lying etc. Why should he anyway?As long as you can't show me your MD you better STFU.
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When asked if he feels all right, he said yes - several times. He said he recovered from it and was lucky to have got a mild version of it. Now you say he is not lying. So if he said he had it and then recovered I should trust him once and not trust him on the recovery ?
 
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Andres Guazzelli said:
I agree. Fed may or not have been ill, but it was definitely no MONONUCLEOSIS.

There's no possible way he could play WITH mono, and keep playing the two months laters, with no side effects than some low footspeed.

Maybe he had a stomach virus, but definitely not mononucleosis. It can't be.
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Andres, Ive had mono. I was very young back then, 14 or so. I was out for 10 days, 3 of those in hospital. I was back in training after week and a half with no sides. I was still receiving treatment for mono when I got back to full training.

This is a very individual matter.
 
ninman

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He might not have glandular fever now but he could have post viral stress disorder. If you want to know what is, it means that you are perfectly healthy but your body is still recovering from your virus, you feel tired and lethargic. I had it this year and was told to do no exercise for 3 weeks, I would waken up in the morning and feel like I hadn't slept. My blood tests came back negative. To intents and purposes I was completely normal.

Something like that can take months to go away. He might be perfectly fine for a few days and then one day he'll just feel really tired for no apparent reason. We'll know when it's gone away because he'll win a whole tournament ;).
 
Nadal_Freak

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daddy said:
When asked if he feels all right, he said yes - several times. He said he recovered from it and was lucky to have got a mild version of it. Now you say he is not lying. So if he said he had it and then recovered I should trust him once and not trust him on the recovery ?
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Yep Fed is alright. It's the *******s that make excuses all the time. Worst group of fans in sports.
 
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dirkgnuf

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Why is it that people seemed to have forgotten that he didn't just have Mono, he also had FOOD POISONING, which certainly wrecks havoc on his weight, fitness etc. It's the combination of MONO + Food Poisoning that he was afflicted with.
 
TheTruth

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Nadal_Freak said:
Yep Fed is alright. It's the *******s that make excuses all the time. Worst group of fans in sports.
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Agreed! I'm sure every pro could complain about some niggling injury. I just think it's suspect how it came up after some questionable losses, although it's been around since 2006 (covering my mouth to hide the laugh), and as long as he was winning it wasn't worth mentioning. Now, after two losses all of a sudden it's paramount. Spare me! Oh wait a minute, Gasquet has blisters. Maybe he's had them for the last two years too! Going back two years with off and on mono. Laughable!
 
daddy

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dirkgnuf said:
Why is it that people seemed to have forgotten that he didn't just have Mono, he also had FOOD POISONING, which certainly wrecks havoc on his weight, fitness etc. It's the combination of MONO + Food Poisoning that he was afflicted with.
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I think that he said when he felt weak in AO they thought he had food poisoning but when they ran tests latter he was diagnosed with mono so in other words he had only mono acording to himself.

Btw to all the people defending him vigorously, even more than he would apreciate - you are degrading the great man by thinking of all these lame excuses for his form. He said what he had to say, he was ill and that affected his physical conditioning which led to slump in form and confidence period.
 
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