That's what I fear. If Federer believes that too, he could be in trouble. If not, I think he would just own Murray on grass. I saw a very passive Murray yesterday who let his opponent be aggressive. Federer should be able to make less unforced errors and to serve even better than Kendrick did. He also has a much better slice than Kendrick or Murray and should be able to grind out a part of the very long rallies as well. That said, I think Murray didn't play well against Kendrick and will do a lot better as the tournament progresses.Don't be so hasty to draw conlcusions.Each new match is a completely different situation due to many different factors(form of the day,match-ups etc.).Did you think Fed's gonna win the FO given in how much trouble he was against Chucho?
I'd favour Fed on grass if they meet as well but Murray is a problematic match-up for Fed,he has definitely proven that and will have enormous crowd support if they meet in the final.
That's what I fear. If Federer believes that too, he could be in trouble. If not, I think he would just own Murray on grass. I saw a very passive Murray yesterday who let his opponent be aggressive. Federer should be able to make less unforced errors and to serve even better than Kendrick did. He also has a much better slice than Kendrick or Murray and should be able to grind out a part of the very long rallies as well. That said, I think Murray didn't play well against Kendrick and will do a lot better as the tournament progresses.
I agree, he could have won the first set no doubt. He started off poorly and I believe that also cost him. However, I think Murray will vastly improve over these two weeks. The courts will slow down which might work in his favour against Federer as well. It's just not that easy that you can say; Let's see, Djoko, Roddick and Murry lost a set, Federer didn't, so he's gonna win easily. That's not the way it works.Well, if you remember the end of the first set, Kendrick was 2 points away from taking it, and then he was able to take the tight second set.
I felt, while watching the match, that if Kendrick was just a bit better mentally and less sloppy, that he could have actually beat Murray. He had the right plan and a good aggressive approach, but he didn't put it all together for the entire match.
That's why I'm convinced that Federer will beat Murray in the final... that is, if Murray makes the final (and Fed for that matter, although I don't see who'll stop him)
I agree, he could have won the first set no doubt. He started off poorly and I believe that also cost him. However, I think Murray will vastly improve over these two weeks. The courts will slow down which might work in his favour against Federer as well. It's just not that easy that you can say; Let's see, Djoko, Roddick and Murry lost a set, Federer didn't, so he's gonna win easily. That's not the way it works.
I agree, he could have won the first set no doubt. He started off poorly and I believe that also cost him. However, I think Murray will vastly improve over these two weeks. The courts will slow down which might work in his favour against Federer as well. It's just not that easy that you can say; Let's see, Djoko, Roddick and Murry lost a set, Federer didn't, so he's gonna win easily. That's not the way it works.
after watching murray's match, i honestly (not just because i'm a fed fan) believe,
that if federer were to meet murray he would just crush him.
fortunately for (the overhyped) murray, he's not getting that far....
after watching murray's match, i honestly (not just because i'm a fed fan) believe,
that if federer were to meet murray he would just crush him.
fortunately for (the overhyped) murray, he's not getting that far....
I agree, he could have won the first set no doubt. He started off poorly and I believe that also cost him. However, I think Murray will vastly improve over these two weeks. The courts will slow down which might work in his favour against Federer as well. It's just not that easy that you can say; Let's see, Djoko, Roddick and Murry lost a set, Federer didn't, so he's gonna win easily. That's not the way it works.
murray will not appear in the final what is actually sad for roger because would be an easy point in the H2H
Your nothing but a troll.
I would love to see you banned.
If fed would have played murray at the French this year, he would have lost. And this is coming from a federer fan. I'll admit it. He's got his number. Murray would have played completely different. A lot of rolling the ball in and neutralizing balls and points. Murray plays with a lot of junk. He's somewhat of a professional pusher. But he's learned how to win that way, so all I can say is it's working for him. Not super fun to watch, but it gets the job done against a lot of players.
Pink elephant in the room:
head to head
Murray 6 - 2 Federer
I second that12Your nothing but a troll.
I would love to see you banned.
If fed would have played murray at the French this year, he would have lost. And this is coming from a federer fan. I'll admit it. He's got his number. Murray would have played completely different. A lot of rolling the ball in and neutralizing balls and points. Murray plays with a lot of junk. He's somewhat of a professional pusher. But he's learned how to win that way, so all I can say is it's working for him. Not super fun to watch, but it gets the job done against a lot of players.
Pink elephant in the room:
head to head
Murray 6 - 2 Federer
Whats a pink elephant.
If fed would have played murray at the French this year, he would have lost. And this is coming from a federer fan. I'll admit it. He's got his number. Murray would have played completely different. A lot of rolling the ball in and neutralizing balls and points. Murray plays with a lot of junk. He's somewhat of a professional pusher. But he's learned how to win that way, so all I can say is it's working for him. Not super fun to watch, but it gets the job done against a lot of players.
Murray has Fed's number on hard courts. He's never come close to taking 3 sets off of Federer anywhere, much less on his best surface: grass. Clay is both of their weakest surfaces, but Murray struggles much more on clay than Federer does.
Regarding their possible finals matchup, Federer plays nothing like Kendrick, so we can't assume. That said, Federer rarely so much as drops a set on grass against anyone other than Nadal, so I'm not sure why everyone feels Murray would beat him at Wimbledon.
Its because the majority of people that think this simply are unable to grasp the difference between Grand Slams and lesser tournaments and keep thinking Federer is the same player in Grand Slams that he is in all the lesser tournaments. And no matter how many times Federer keeps doing the business in Grand Slams, they will still actually not get this.
To draw the analogy: What Murray and his supporters seem to think is because he beat Federer at Tiddlywinks that he will now automatically have a great chance to beat Federer at Chess, when Federer is the Master (Tiddlywinks being Non-Grand Slam tournaments and Chess being Grand Slams).
Yet more excuses. I can't wait for Murray to beat Federer in a GS just to put that idiotic excuse to bed once and for all. It might not be at Wimbledon (5 sets or 3 sets, Federer is the favourite on grass). I know who my money is on if they play at the US Open, though.
No excuses, just plain and simple facts. Ive actually played in the top level at a different sport so I know more or less how the great players raise their game at the majors. Murray has yet to prove it so until he does your argument holds no water.
No excuses, just plain and simple facts. Ive actually played in the top level at a different sport so I know more or less how the great players raise their game at the majors. Murray has yet to prove it so until he does your argument holds no water. Looks like you might have to wait a while longer.
Lol @ as if the US Open makes any difference. Federer has been just as dominant there as at Wimbledon if not more so.
Really Breaker. So say you had to put your house on either Federer or Murray in the Wimbledon final, who would you pick?
I know who I would pick, without any hesitation.
I see what you're saying, but I still think that Murray is more flawed with his grass court game than Federer.
Federer struggling through the French Open was not because his game was poor, but more the fact that he played sloppy, unfocused, and uninspired in some of his matches. It was more mental than fundamental.
For Murray, however, it seems that if he's up a good grass courter and he can't play his service game as well as he possibly can, that he'd probably lose.
That's why I think Fed would beat him, granted that he is serving well.
Its not forgone conclusion that either is in the final lets wait and see eh?
Congrats on making GOAT, Love.Why do you say that? Just because he lost a set to Kendricks? Kendricks kicked out Simon from the French. I saw it and wouldn't be so quick to discount Kendricks as you apparently are.
Bottom line: Andy Murray won!
This is a pattern by this character. Set up threads that are insulting to some player in order to inflame the readers. It has nothing to do with tennis and people like that should not be allowed to participate at TW.Your nothing but a troll.
I would love to see you banned.
This is a pattern by this character. Set up threads that are insulting to some player in order to inflame the readers. It has nothing to do with tennis and people like that should not be allowed to participate at TW.
Lol @ Scientist comment.
No im not a scientist but I have also experienced being a top player at another sport so Im well aware how the truly great players raise their level at the biggest majors. Ive seen it time and time again. Its not just tennis. Ever heard of Stephen Hendry. He was the same as Federer. Brilliant at majors but so-so at lesser events, but boy did he turn it on when on the biggest stage.
Lol @ Scientist comment.
No im not a scientist but I have also experienced being a top player at another sport so Im well aware how the truly great players raise their level at the biggest majors. Ive seen it time and time again. Its not just tennis. Ever heard of Stephen Hendry. He was the same as Federer. Brilliant at majors but so-so at lesser events, but boy did he turn it on when on the biggest stage.
I'm Scottish. Of course I've heard of Hendry, the greatest player ever.
Hendry has won 36 ranking titles and 36 non-ranking titles. Therefore, your assertion is false.
Are you Ronnie O'sullivan?
That would be so cool, snooker is my second favorite sport to watch after tennis.. Ronnie is the GOAT of snooker.. he is the Federer of snooker, or Federer is the Ronnie O'Sullivan of tennis.. both are heroes in my book anyway.. please let it be Ronnie O'Sullivan
As a fan of Federer, this draw is a bit unsettling with how the 3rd, 4th, and QF all look to be tough matches (possibly the semis, though Djokovic is so flawed mentally that it's really hard for me to see him actually taking out Federer there).
Now I understand why your a Murray fan. :twisted:
I have played against Hendry.
Your take on his non-ranking titles is rather misleading. part of those non ranking events were his 6 Benson & Hedges Masters titles, which is regarded as the next most prestigious event after the World championship basically alongside the UK championship.
What I meant about Hendry was that he excelled at the "Big 3" i.e. World Championships, Masters, and UK Championships. Those were where he really produced the goods time and time again. Just like Federer does at the Grand Slams. Those 3 events are Snookers equivalent of Grand Slams.
Hence why I compare Federer to Hendry. Hendry used to routinely lose to lesser ranked players in lesser events, but come the World Championship you just knew it would take an astounding performance to beat him, no matter if he played against a player he had lost to ten times at lesser events, it would not matter, because he was a different animal when it really mattered.
Federer is NOT going to crush Murray on the final.
Because Andy won't reach the final.