Muzza on Rafa's side of AO draw.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

Murray on Rafa's side of AO draw.

I'm not totally sure about how the draw works, but from reading a few websites, it seems that even if Murray is on Rafa's side they will most likely meet in the quarters. (Can anyone confirm this?) Rafa often ends up with Murray on his side of the draw in HC tourneys. Will it happen this time?

This is what I'm talking about in the bolded part.

in R3 seeds 25-32 to meet seeds 1-8, seeds 17-24 to meet seeds 9-16
in R4 seeds 13-16 to meet seeds 1-4, seeds 9-12 to meet seeds 5-8
Quarters seeds 5-8 to meet seeds 1-4

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

Which part of the draw is computed 'randomly'? I thought only the seeds were definite, while the rest was random? So I thought that'd mean the top seeds in Murray's half have equal chance of drawing him in the QF.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · Jan 9, 2011

Murray-Nadal in QF would be lovely

Messarger · Jan 9, 2011

thread title is a bit misleading. should add a question mark, no?

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

Yeah strange title, it even has a full-stop LOL

rovex · Jan 9, 2011

Yeah, wouldn't bet against it happening again for the 10000th time.

It does mean lights out for rafa though.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

Messarger said:
thread title is a bit misleading. should add a question mark, no?

But misleading is good, no?

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

rovex said:
Yeah, wouldn't bet against it happening again for the 10000th time.

It does mean lights out for rafa though.

Murray is the favorite, no question. But most people would have said Murray was the favorite to beat Rafa at the WTF too. And Rafa won that, indoors.

Murray is the favorite but he's no lock.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Which part of the draw is computed 'randomly'? I thought only the seeds were definite, while the rest was random? So I thought that'd mean the top seeds in Murray's half have equal chance of drawing him in the QF.

I think the distribution is random. But this is what I saw. i dunno if it's true.

in R3 seeds 25-32 to meet seeds 1-8, seeds 17-24 to meet seeds 9-16
in R4 seeds 13-16 to meet seeds 1-4, seeds 9-12 to meet seeds 5-8
Quarters seeds 5-8 to meet seeds 1-4

Messarger · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
But misleading is good, no?

can be good but sometimes misleading also lead to confuse. Andy is a great player so playing him will always be difficult no? but for sure i will continue to practice and try my best, and if have to face andy in quarters i need to play my best tennis if i want chances for the win:twisted:

batz · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Murray is the favorite, no question. But most people would have said Murray was the favorite to beat Rafa at the WTF too. And Rafa won that, indoors.

Murray is the favorite but he's no lock.

Are you mental mate? Murray would be the favourite my @rse. Rafa is the number 1 player in the world and has won the last 3 grand slams, how the hell can he be the underdog against a slamless world number 5?

What is it with people today? First Buckethead says 'Roger is in his prime', and now this. :shock:

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
I think the distribution is random. But this is what I saw. i dunno if it's true.

in R3 seeds 25-32 to meet seeds 1-8, seeds 17-24 to meet seeds 9-16
in R4 seeds 13-16 to meet seeds 1-4, seeds 9-12 to meet seeds 5-8
Quarters seeds 5-8 to meet seeds 1-4

Yeah I see, I forget about that, when seeds meet seeds it isn't random. Seeds meeting non-seeds is the only random situation I guess. So if Murray is in Rafa's side of the draw then they'll meet in QF. Interesting.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

Messarger said:
can be good but sometimes misleading also lead to confuse. Andy is a great player so playing him will always be difficult no? but for sure i will continue to practice and try my best, and if gonna have to face andy in quarters i gonna need to play my best tennis if i want chances for the win:twisted:

Added the gonna, but otherwise is perfect, no?

rovex · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Murray is the favorite, no question. But most people would have said Murray was the favorite to beat Rafa at the WTF too. And Rafa won that, indoors.

Murray is the favorite but he's no lock.

In truth, The only way Nadal can even take a set off Murray is by tie breaks (included mental lapses), which he had at the WTF, but Murray is such a good returner that Nadal might not have those tie breaks the next time

anyhow, WTF is not the same surface as Australia, and we all know how Murray dismantled Nadal on the very same court.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

batz said:
Are you mental mate? Murray would be the favourite my @rse. Rafa is the number 1 player in the world and has won the last 3 grand slams, how the hell can he be the underdog against a slamless world number 5?

What is it with people today? First Buckethead says 'Roger is in his prime', and now this. :shock:

Because Murray has proven that he has the edge whenever Rafa and he meet in a hardcourt slam, clearly, he won USO 2008 meeting, and AO 2010 meeting. And Rafa didn't stretch him to 5 sets. We have to go back to 2007 AO when Rafa beat Murray in 5.

austintennis2005 · Jan 9, 2011

who is 'muzza'???

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

rovex said:
In truth, The only way Nadal can even take a set off Murray is by tie breaks (included mental losses), which he had at the WTF, but Murray is such a good returner that Nadal might not have those tie breaks the next time

anyhow, WTF is not the same surface as Australia, and we all know how Murray dismantled Nadal on the very same court.

If Rafa holds serve vs Murray then he'll probably win in straight sets, because Rafa breaks Murray's serve in nearly every set they play. But the odds are Murray will break Rafa's serve in each set too.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Yeah I see, I forget about that, when seeds meet seeds it isn't random. Seeds meeting non-seeds is the only random situation I guess. So if Murray is in Rafa's side of the draw then they'll meet in QF. Interesting.

If Rafa is recovered from his bug by then, which I am certain he will be, I am not too worried having Muzza in quarters, then Sod/Novak in semis. Class Rogi in Finals. Me thinks Fed is playing really well, and Nadal will have to bring his best, and Muzza match will for sure be taxing on him.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · Jan 9, 2011

batz said:
Are you mental mate? Murray would be the favourite my @rse. Rafa is the number 1 player in the world and has won the last 3 grand slams, how the hell can he be the underdog against a slamless world number 5?

What is it with people today? First Buckethead says 'Roger is in his prime', and now this. :shock:

I understand how you see this, but imo Murray is the favourite vs Nadal on HC, 7 days a week. Murray almost beat Nadal on a surface where he couldnt counterpunch properly, on the AO-surface he can.

rovex · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
If Rafa holds serve vs Murray then he'll probably win in straight sets, because Rafa breaks Murray's serve in nearly every set they play.

And Murray breaks nadal in nearly every set they play on hard court.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
If Rafa is recovered from his bug by then, which I am certain he will be, I am not too worried having Muzza in quarters, then Sod/Novak in semis. Class Rogi in Finals. Me thinks Fed is playing really well, and Nadal will have to bring his best, and Muzza match will for sure be taxing on him.

I don't mind Rafa playing Sod/Novak/Federer. I'm only worried about Murray vs Rafa, that's the only matchup of concern to me. But if Murray vs Rafa is the Final then I give Rafa a definite edge.

Messarger · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
If Rafa is recovered from his bug by then, which I am certain he will be, I am not too worried having Muzza in quarters, then Sod/Novak in semis. Class Rogi in Finals. Me thinks Fed is playing really well, and Nadal will have to bring his best, and Muzza match will for sure be taxing on him.

I actually dont want Murray to play Rafa at all, given how Rafa generally loses some steam after a match with the Scot. But OTOH defeating Murray and going on to with the AO would go a long way to silence the critics.

Messarger · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
I'm only worried about Murray vs Rafa, that's the only matchup of concern to me. But if Murray vs Rafa is the Final then I give Rafa a definite edge. I don't mind Rafa playing Sod/Novak/Federer.

nsk, do you think Rafa will have an answer to Federer's increasing net game?

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

batz said:
Are you mental mate? Murray would be the favourite my @rse. Rafa is the number 1 player in the world and has won the last 3 grand slams, how the hell can he be the underdog against a slamless world number 5?
What is it with people today? First Buckethead says 'Roger is in his prime', and now this. :shock:

NSK believes that Rafa has a best chance of winning when he is the underdog. He'd have to hurt himself really bad, to go in as not the favorite.

rovex said:
In truth, The only way Nadal can even take a set off Murray is by tie breaks (included mental lapses), which he had at the WTF, but Murray is such a good returner that Nadal might not have those tie breaks the next time.

anyhow, WTF is not the same surface as Australia, and we all know how Murray dismantled Nadal on the very same court.

This is absolutely not true. Nadal played a fantastic match at the WTF. WTF conditions are the worst possible for him. Nadal will take him on well this time. Especially if he can get hold of the first set, his chances will certainly go up. I expect a great match regardless. I WILL say that Nadal will have to give it his all. Which is sorta why I like the idea of them meeting in the quarters.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
I don't mind Rafa playing Sod/Novak/Federer. I'm only worried about Murray vs Rafa, that's the only matchup of concern to me. But if Murray vs Rafa is the Final then I give Rafa a definite edge.

ROTFL
Seriously...

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

rovex said:
And Murray breaks nadal in nearly every set they play on hard court.

Exactly. That's why Murray is the favorite, their history on hardcourt shows he is. But just saying, if Rafa serves lights out like he did at the US Open then I don't think Murray can win, because Rafa will break Murray's serve, it's never been an unbreakable serve.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

Messarger said:
nsk, do you think Rafa will have an answer to Federer's increasing net game?

Federer isn't a factor for Rafa's chances, but I do consider Federer the favorite to win AO simply because if Murray is in Rafa's half then Murray is the favorite to come out of that half. Whereas nobody in Federer's half is going to beat him, Federer is a lock to make the Final barring injury.

T1000 · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
NSK believes that Rafa has a best chance of winning when he is the underdog. He'd have to hurt himself really bad, to go in as not the favorite.
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He already has a fever, that should be good enough no?

10 Sarcasms

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
ROTFL
Seriously...

This one times I give Rafa an edge. Murray somehow falls apart in finals. Nadal will exploit any mental weakness Murray shows. Then again Nadal will also be dealing with immense pressure.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

If Murray is in Rafa's half then the 2 favorites to win AO are Federer and Murray. Logic suggests this. Although I personally think Rafa will beat Murray.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
This one times I give Rafa an edge. Murray somehow falls apart in finals. Nadal will exploit any mental weakness Murray shows. Then again Nadal will also be dealing with immense pressure.

Murray might be resurged for 2011? Who knows? There is a first time for everything, right?
I reacted to what nadal-slam-king said that he/she dont mind Federer/Sod/Novak...as if that would be easy matches, nonsense!

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Murray might be resurged for 2011? Who knows? There is a first time for everything, right?
I reacted to what nadal-slam-king said that he/she dont mind Federer/Sod/Novak...as if that would be easy matches, nonsense!

I never said easy, but I don't think of a loss when I think of those 3 players. Murray makes me think of a loss because the odds are with Murray due to hardcourt slam history (although despite knowing that Murray is the favorite I think Rafa will win, because I think he will defy the odds this time).

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Murray might be resurged for 2011? Who knows? There is a first time for everything, right?
I reacted to what nadal-slam-king said that he/she dont mind Federer/Sod/Novak...as if that would be easy matches, nonsense!

Absolutely. While I will be disappointed if Murray won, I would also be happy for him. He has a lotta potential and in my opinion is the only guy that can take out both fed and rafa, but keeps choking up in big matches.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
Absolutely. While I will be disappointed if Murray won, I would also be happy for him. He has a lotta potential and in my opinion is the only guy that can take out both fed and rafa, but keeps choking up in big matches.

Plus, Murray is the kindest player toward Rafa. If anyone else was going to win a slam apart from Rafa I'd want it to be Murray.

AM95 · Jan 9, 2011

a murray nadal qf matchup can only happen if murray ends up in the top half of the draw.

batz · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Plus, Murray is the kindest player toward Rafa. If anyone else was going to win a slam apart from Rafa I'd want it to be Murray.

Murray is a bigger **** than you are.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

batz said:
Murray is a bigger **** than you are.

I'm not a "****" I don't even consider Rafa the favorite to win AO. I'm a Rafa fan.

sonicare · Jan 9, 2011

At the AO, Murray beats nadal 4 out of 5. He shud have beat him in 07 too but gassed out cos of bad cardio.

Murrayfan31 · Jan 9, 2011

Rafa would lose if that is the case.

rovex · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
This is absolutely not true..

So, do you deny that after murray played a magical second set, his level dropped dramatically and let Nadal back in it? Do you deny that Murray played 3 terrible drop shots and giving an early break to nadal in the third? Do you deny that Murray let a 3-0 lead slip in the final tie break?

It was more of a let off than anything else.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

Murrayfan31 said:
Rafa would lose if that is the case.

Murray is definitely the red-hot favorite, but he still has to hit the tennis balls right to win, he can't drop his level or he'll be in trouble, and Murray hasn't actually faced the 2010 US Open serve. So while Murray is the definite favorite vs Rafa at the AO, I won't call it a lock at all.

TheMagicianOfPrecision · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
Absolutely. While I will be disappointed if Murray won, I would also be happy for him. He has a lotta potential and in my opinion is the only guy that can take out both fed and rafa, but keeps choking up in big matches.

I agree, as a Fed fan i would actually also be OK with Murray winning in Melbourne. 23/25 last GS has went to Fedal...crazy...

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

rovex said:
So, do you deny that after murray played a magical second set, his level dropped dramatically and let Nadal back in it? Do you deny that Murray played 3 terrible drop shots and giving an early break to nadal in the third? Do you deny that Murray let a 3-0 lead slip in the final tie break?

It was more of a let off than anything else.

Yes, but that is all part of tennis, no? I mean no one can play 100% the whole match. I think Nadal sort of let the second set go, just took a breather. Don't take that to mean, Murray didn't play well, he played amazing that set. I also think Nadal upped his game in the 3rd set, gave it a final push. If it was a best of 5 I am inclined to believe Nadal would have taken it. Murray's mess up, mental lapses were related to how his opponent was playing. Had Nadal dropped his own level it would have gone into Murray's hands. All I'm saying is that, in matches like that exploiting any chance you get is how you win. Nadal does that really well.

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

I actually find the Rafa/Murray matchup more entertaining than any other matchup. It does produce a higher quality tennis than any other duo. So I can't say I'll be disappointed if they play at the AO. And if its in the Final I'm sure Rafa will win. If its before the Final then I still think Rafa will win but I realize it'll be against the odds.

TMF · Jan 9, 2011

These rafa fans are so afraid of Murray it's unbelievable. Keep in mind it's possible Nadal might meet Davy, who's in his head.

Since Murray fell of the top 4, there's 50% chance he'll be in Rafa's half and 25% in his quarter.

Prepare for the worst !!

nadal_slam_king · Jan 9, 2011

TMF said:
These rafa fans are so afraid of Murray it's unbelievable. Keep in mind it's possible Nadal might meet Davy, who's in his head.

Since Murray fell of the top 4, there's 50% chance he'll be in Rafa's half and 25% in his quarter.

Prepare for the worst !!

Davy would never be able to survive 5 sets with Rafa, no sir, impossible.

meg0529 · Jan 9, 2011

TMF said:
These rafa fans are so afraid of Murray it's unbelievable. Keep in mind it's possible Nadal might meet Davy, who's in his head.

Since Murray fell of the top 4, there's 50% chance he'll be in Rafa's half and 25% in his quarter.

Prepare for the worst !!

Ohhh ya. Davy is certainly in Rafa's head. :twisted:

TMF · Jan 9, 2011

nadal_slam_king said:
Davy would never be able to survive 5 sets with Rafa, no sir, impossible.

They never met at the slam, so you don't know that. Plus, it's hc, more power for Davy. I can guarantee you Davy would be relieve if he's rafa's draw rather than Fed.

Prepare for the worst !

TMF · Jan 9, 2011

meg0529 said:
Ohhh ya. Davy is certainly in Rafa's head. :twisted:

Come on....last 4 meeting was on hc and he beat Nadal. If i were you, I would be concern just as much as playing Murray.

Mortifier · Jan 9, 2011

I think that the AO surface is even worse for Rafa than the USO surface, when facing Andy Murray that is.

And as someone said, you can't really counterpunch effectively on the WTF-surface. Murray should have won that match aswell in the deciding tiebrake, but would've could've should've have no place in reality.

But if Nadal is to play like he did in Doha, pretty much 10 out of the top 20 guys can take him out. Of course that's a big if.

Muzza on Rafa's side of AO draw.

Muzza in rafa's half?

Yes

No

I hope so

I hope not

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