If Roger loses this Wimbledon title He will never win another major.

Buckethead · Jun 12, 2011

I just don't think He can win anymore on HC, and on clay we already know, so his chances are only on grass.

If He can't win grass where will He win??

Nowhere else, not to mention that He will be so down in confidence that will hard for him to come back again.

For me this title is already in the bag, Roger is playing his best tennis ever, just played amazing in RG, could have beaten Nadal there, or let Djoker have done the job, but He failed. Now it is his turn.

If He wins on grass He has a 20% chance to win the US Open.

FedExpress 333 · Jun 12, 2011

I also think tat tis is his best chance for # 17, but he probably has at least a 40% chance at the USO,,,,,,

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

I think the U.S Open is his best chance, even more than Wimbledon. He has a great shot vs Djokovic at the U.S Open, and Nadal can lose to a variety of players there. Wimbledon will be hard since Nadal is by far the favorite. Nadal hasnt lost at Wimbledon since 2007 now.

Buckethead · Jun 12, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
I think the U.S Open is his best chance, even more than Wimbledon. He has a great shot vs Djokovic at the U.S Open, and Nadal can lose to a variety of players there. Wimbledon will be hard since Nadal is by far the favorite. Nadal hasnt lost at Wimbledon since 2007 now.

Disagree in all.

Fed had mono that year, that is why Nadal won that one, because Fed was never at his best in 2007.

Last year Fed was injured/out of form.

US Open, will be more about Del Po in Djokovic who can beat Fed/Nadal, with Murray having a chance to take Del Po out, if not, Del Po will get to the semis at least.

10ACE · Jun 12, 2011

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NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

Buckethead said:
Disagree in all.

Fed had mono that year, that is why Nadal won that one, because Fed was never at his best in 2007.

Last year Fed was injured/out of form.

US Open, will be more about Del Po in Djokovic who can beat Fed/Nadal, with Murray having a chance to take Del Po out, if not, Del Po will get to the semis at least.

Federer had mono in January 08. By Wimbledon even he said he was at his best. Anyway 2008 is even a long time ago now for Federer, 2010 showed he was clearly past his prime on grass.

You are assuming too much to make Del Potro to be this huge contender. It is possible but probably not likely. He is making progress but has already been spanked by both Nadal and Djokovic this year. I doubt he beats any of the top 4 at the U.S open this year, except maybe Murray. If he stays healthy for another whole year maybe he can become a bigger contender again.

And Djokovic probably wont beat Federer at the U.S open. He has played Federer 4 times and his only win was last year when Roger played awful and still had 2 match points. It is nothing like Australia where Djokovic can beat Federer even in form, I doubt he could ever do that at the U.S Open until Federer slows down even more. And after beating Djokovic at Roland Garros, Federer will be extremely confident if they meet in a U.S Open final or semi.

BTW I am hoping Djokovic wins the U.S Open this year (though I wouldnt mind a Nadal repeat) so I am hoping that Djokovic does avoid Federer by either Nadal, or Del Potro, or Murray, or something else taking Federer out. However as far as objectively evaluating his chances I think Roger has quite a good shot at the U.S Open. I dont see anyone beating Nadal at Wimbledon.

Tammo · Jun 12, 2011

Federer will most likely stop where he is.

tata · Jun 12, 2011

Funny enough i'd rate Fed's chances best at US open. Though wimby would mean a lot more to him and motivate him more. I honestly think the surface at the USO suit him better.

MichaelNadal · Jun 12, 2011

Federer is still capable of playing amazing tennis, and is still RIGHT in the mix to win slams. He can win a major anytime in the next 2yrs IMO.

Clay lover · Jun 12, 2011

People were saying he was done after 2009 AO. Not buying any of this.

SStrikerR · Jun 12, 2011

Neither am I. The funny part is how the OP says he can't play on HC. Hey, hear of the WTF? He still barely loses to people not named Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic, and he still has beaten them. If he's in form and playing well, he'll still win. And Fed always shows up at slams.

Aeropax · Jun 12, 2011

Clay lover said:
People were saying he was done after 2009 AO. Not buying any of this.

If Nadal doesn't lose to Soderling at the French and doesn't withdraw from Wimbledon - Federer is still tied with Sampras.

2009 was a lucky year for Federer that Nadal couldn't close shop at the French and withdrew from Wimbledon due to injury (ahem personal problems I'm guessing and being distraught from losing the French).

I'd give Federer the benefit of the doubt and say he'd have won the USO 2009 had he not beat Pete's record at Wimbledon.

Federer will not win another slam with Nadal and Djokovic around.

Xizel · Jun 12, 2011

I think he has a pretty good chance at USO.

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

Aeropax said:
If Nadal doesn't lose to Soderling at the French and doesn't withdraw from Wimbledon - Federer is still tied with Sampras.

2009 was a lucky year for Federer that Nadal couldn't close shop at the French and withdrew from Wimbledon due to injury (ahem personal problems I'm guessing and being distraught from losing the French).

I'd give Federer the benefit of the doubt and say he'd have won the USO 2009 had he not beat Pete's record at Wimbledon.

Federer will not win another slam with Nadal and Djokovic around.

If you are saying Federer would have won the 2009 U.S Open had he not beat Pete's record then he still would have passed it in that case. 2009 U.S Open and 2010 Australian Open would make 15, even if he won neither the 2009 French or 2009 Wimbledon (if that is what you mean).

Viking_Golfer · Jun 12, 2011

Fed's chance of winning:

This Wimby: 75%
US Open: 50%
Aussie Open 2012: 30%
French Open 2012: 15%
Wimby 2012: 60%

So I'd say he has a decent chance to win another GS

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

Why would anyone give Federer a better than 50% chance to win Wimbledon when the last 2 times he and Nadal played it Nadal won, and Federer is only getting older, not better. And last year Federer lost to Berdych of all people, Nadal would have destroyed him last year had he made that final in that form.

Viking_Golfer · Jun 12, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
Why would anyone give Federer a better than 50% chance to win Wimbledon when the last 2 times he and Nadal played it Nadal won, and Federer is only getting older, not better. And last year Federer lost to Berdych of all people, Nadal would have destroyed him last year had he made that final in that form.

Because Fed plays better this year and I predict will also do next year - than last year, where his form went south.

He's in second childhood again

mandy01 · Jun 12, 2011

Buckethead said:
For me this title is already in the bag,

Nothing is 'in the bag' :roll:
Sheesh,this must be idiotic prediction#68503580960

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

Viking_Golfer said:
Because Fed plays better this year and I predict will also do next year - than last year, where his form went south.

He's in second childhood again

I guess we will see. He did play much better at Roland Garros than he has since 2007 IMO. Despite that he won in 2009. If he wasnt such a mental midget in the final he actually could have beaten Nadal.

I expect that loss will only reinforce Nadal's dominance and mental edge in the rivalry when they play next however.

mandy01 · Jun 12, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
Federer had mono in January 08. By Wimbledon even he said he was at his best. Anyway 2008 is even a long time ago now for Federer, 2010 showed he was clearly past his prime on grass.

Nadal said he was feeling perfectly fine before RG 09 and after his loss started trumpeting his 'knee injury'.So don't give us that

I remember Pierre Pagannini saying quite a few times that he was surprised Roger even managed to win a slam in '08 given that physically,he was playing catch-up the whole year.(I'm paraphrasing here of course).And Roger himself had has said this before.

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

I havent made excuses for Nadal's loss at the 2009 French and have never denied it as a legitimate loss so what is your point (then again do you ever have one, lol).

Messarger · Jun 12, 2011

I enjoy all your precentages :lol:

mandy01 · Jun 12, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
I havent made excuses for Nadal's loss at the 2009 French and have never denied it as a legitimate loss so what is your point (then again do you ever have one, lol).

I think the better question is-Does *******Agassi ever succeed at Reading Comprehension?
The point being(as if it weren't obvious),I'm pretty sure it took Roger much longer than what he let on to recover physically in 2008.

Bobby Jr · Jun 12, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
... now for Federer, 2010 showed he was clearly past his prime on grass.

Please stop posting such drivel. That has about as much merit as saying Nadal was past him prime on clay when he lost at the FO to Soderling. Federer's performance at Wimbledon last year was just a poor patch for him. Not that he was clearly past his prime on grass.

He generally played like a complete mug by his standards for months on end including at Wimbledon last year. His level at this year's FO would have beaten that version of himself 6-2 6-2 6-2.

PCXL-Fan · Jun 12, 2011

I wouldn't say this title is already in the bag. If he happens to meet Nadal, those numerous losses to Nadal will get into his mind, and there is no telling how it'll effect Roger's game.

NadalAgassi · Jun 12, 2011

Bobby Jr said:
Please stop posting such drivel. That has about as much merit as saying Nadal was past him prime on clay when he lost at the FO to Soderling. Federer's performance at Wimbledon last year was just a poor patch for him. Not that he was clearly past his prime on grass.

He generally played like a complete mug by his standards for months on end including at Wimbledon last year. His level at this year's FO would have beaten that version of himself 6-2 6-2 6-2.

Federer the previous year was lucky to not lose to Roddick at Wimbledon. Andy Roddick of all people dominated him from the baseline that day. The only reason he won is he had one his best serving days and Roddick's worthless return of serve which combined for 50 aces and a bunch of other service winners. Plus the blown 2nd set tiebreak by Roddick.

Before Wimbledon last year he lost to grandpa Hewitt on grass who he hadnt lost to on any surface in 7 years. And in the 1st round of Wimbledon he was outplayed and nearly lost in 4 sets to Falla.

So if you think Federer isnt well past his best on the surface then you are blind to reality.

He still could win another Wimbledon maybe but only if he avoids Nadal and he doesnt run into a top 10 player playing as well as Berdych last year.

Hard courts is by far Federer's best surface now and if he ever wins another slam it is where he is most likely to, not Wimbledon.

Roger No.1 · Jun 13, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
Federer the previous year was lucky to not lose to Roddick at Wimbledon. Andy Roddick of all people dominated him from the baseline that day. The only reason he won is he had one his best serving days and Roddick's worthless return of serve which combined for 50 aces and a bunch of other service winners. Plus the blown 2nd set tiebreak by Roddick.

Before Wimbledon last year he lost to grandpa Hewitt on grass who he hadnt lost to on any surface in 7 years. And in the 1st round of Wimbledon he was outplayed and nearly lost in 4 sets to Falla.

So if you think Federer isnt well past his best on the surface then you are blind to reality.

He still could win another Wimbledon maybe but only if he avoids Nadal and he doesnt run into a top 10 player playing as well as Berdych last year.

Hard courts is by far Federer's best surface now and if he ever wins another slam it is where he is most likely to, not Wimbledon.

You're saying Federer is past his prime on grass, but not past his prime on other surfaces?
You can't really compare his performance after last year's AO to this year. He had a good chance of winning the French this year, but one or two points probably made the difference.

Bobby Jr · Jun 13, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
Federer the previous year was lucky to not lose to Roddick at Wimbledon. Andy Roddick of all people dominated him from the baseline that day. The only reason he won is he had one his best serving days and Roddick's worthless return of serve which combined for 50 aces and a bunch of other service winners. Plus the blown 2nd set tiebreak by Roddick.

The only reason Roddick made a contest of it at all was Fed's average play. Overall it was the lowest quality tennis Federer has played in a Wimbledon final.

NadalAgassi said:
Before Wimbledon last year he lost to grandpa Hewitt on grass who he hadnt lost to on any surface in 7 years. And in the 1st round of Wimbledon he was outplayed and nearly lost in 4 sets to Falla.

You're proving my point. That his poor form was related to a poor patch, not a his-grass-days-are-over signal. Has he played great tennis anytime since? Yes? More than once? Yes. Won dominating or close battles with top 10 or 5 opponents? Yes.

Did you watch the French Open the other week? The quality of tennis being played by Federer is like night and day generally compared to the middle of last year.

NadalAgassi said:
He still could win another Wimbledon ....and he doesnt run into a top 10 player playing as well as Berdych last year.

You mean the guy who - career long - has been flakey and got smoked by Nadal in the final? That guy? Yeah, you're strengthening my argument yet again.

Without it being a flame attempt, how long have you been watching tennis? You're like the Bill O'Reilly of Talk Tennis. Hot air, selective fact use and dubious lines of logic as a matter of course.

Readers · Jun 13, 2011

Come on, he is not THAT old yet.

Cesc Fabregas · Jun 13, 2011

mandy01 said:
Nadal said he was feeling perfectly fine before RG 09 and after his loss started trumpeting his 'knee injury'.So don't give us that

I remember Pierre Pagannini saying quite a few times that he was surprised Roger even managed to win a slam in '08 given that physically,he was playing catch-up the whole year.(I'm paraphrasing here of course).And Roger himself had has said this before.

Yeah, because his opinion is gospel. I mean who is he, a Fed fanboy?

mandy01 · Jun 13, 2011

Cesc Fabregas said:
Yeah, because his opinion is gospel. I mean who is he, a Fed fanboy?

No.He's Roger's fitness trainer.

Deleted member 21996 · Jun 13, 2011

Cesc Fabregas said:
Yeah, because his opinion is gospel. I mean who is he, a Fed fanboy?

mandy01 said:
No.He's Roger's fitness trainer.

mandy01 · Jun 13, 2011

^Don't think you can post Simpsons' ROFLiety and get away with Catardism :roll:

Deleted member 21996 · Jun 13, 2011

mandy01 said:
^Don't think you can post Simpsons' ROFLiety and get away with Catardism :roll:

i have been to "Catholics" anynimous... i'm doing the best i can here! can a man get some slack?

Povl Carstensen · Jun 13, 2011

Why are people (a few) so occupied with putting down Federer. They must be really really frustrated.

Sarzy · Jun 13, 2011

I think Roger can win one more GS. Either this year's Wimbledon or US open.

NadalAgassi · Jun 13, 2011

Bobby Jr said:
The only reason Roddick made a contest of it at all was Fed's average play. Overall it was the lowest quality tennis Federer has played in a Wimbledon final.

So according to you now he played poorly in 2009 and played poorly again in 2010. Yet it was a fluke both times I suppose and not a sign of his declining on the surface, LOL! You make absolutely no sense.

You mean the guy who - career long - has been flakey and got smoked by Nadal in the final? That guy? Yeah, you're strengthening my argument yet again.

Learn to read idiot. I did not say Berdych imparticular. I said anyone playing as well as Berdych did last year, who is also ranked in or near the top 10. Federer is at the point on grass if anyone highly ranked plays that well against him he will lose. I did not say or in anyway imply Berdych would be the one to do it again.

And Berdych has been Nadal's lapdog since 2007. Berdych never had any chance vs Nadal in the final, anyone with a brain knew that before the match even began.

Without it being a flame attempt, how long have you been watching tennis?

Alot longer then you I am sure.

Fedex · Jun 13, 2011

Bobby Jr said:
Without it being a flame attempt, how long have you been watching tennis? You're like the Bill O'Reilly of Talk Tennis. Hot air, selective fact use and dubious lines of logic as a matter of course.

Bobby Jr tells NadalAgassi there's no flame war:

Buckethead · Jun 13, 2011

Roger No.1 said:
You're saying Federer is past his prime on grass, but not past his prime on other surfaces?
You can't really compare his performance after last year's AO to this year. He had a good chance of winning the French this year, but one or two points probably made the difference.

i can't really understand when people say Fed is way passed his prime, but many, including Fed himself, think He is now playing the best He's ever done.

Bobby Jr said:
The only reason Roddick made a contest of it at all was Fed's average play. Overall it was the lowest quality tennis Federer has played in a Wimbledon final.

You're proving my point. That his poor form was related to a poor patch, not a his-grass-days-are-over signal. Has he played great tennis anytime since? Yes? More than once? Yes. Won dominating or close battles with top 10 or 5 opponents? Yes.

Did you watch the French Open the other week? The quality of tennis being played by Federer is like night and day generally compared to the middle of last year.

You mean the guy who - career long - has been flakey and got smoked by Nadal in the final? That guy? Yeah, you're strengthening my argument yet again.

Without it being a flame attempt, how long have you been watching tennis? You're like the Bill O'Reilly of Talk Tennis. Hot air, selective fact use and dubious lines of logic as a matter of course.

I agree , here good points made.

Rhino · Jun 13, 2011

I would've thought people had a little bit more faith in Federer after his performance at Roland Garros.

Buckethead · Jun 13, 2011

Rhino said:
I would've thought people had a little bit more faith in Federer after his performance at Roland Garros.

That's why i created this thread and i wanted to hear people's opinion about it.

As great as he played in RG, Wimbledon which is his favorite tournament, more suitable to him, He should win it rather comfortably.

If He doesn't , I don;t think he will win another anymore.

TheTruth · Jun 13, 2011

^^^ @ Rhino

What's even more startling is this he's past his prime nonsense. People usually start going downhill around his age, but they're at the top of the hill, not at the bottom.

Fed has got some very unreasonable fans. In the last six months he smoked everyone at the WTF, had matchpoints on Joker in one of the last two slams (can't remember which, USO, I think), stopped Djoker's amazing streak, and played very well in the FO final, and still...

That's not enough for some people. Unbelievable.

With things being the way they are, there is no way in the world anyone can predict who will win what, when, or where. Strange things always happen in tennis (sports) and yet, it still escapes people.

BeHappy · Jun 13, 2011

Federer will win Wimbledon and/or the US Open this year.

Deleted member 3771 · Jun 13, 2011

Fred can't LOSE it, he can only gain it so theres not that much pressure on him. It's Nadal's Wimbledon to lose.

Ralph · Jun 13, 2011

The only concern I have for Roger at Wimbledon is that he won't be the underdog working his way through the rounds as he was in Paris. It's only a slight concern, but one nonetheless. He stated himself that NOT having the pressure on him relaxed him somewhat and allowed him to swing from the hip, so to speak.

Here's hoping he continues to do so.

zagor · Jun 13, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
Federer the previous year was lucky to not lose to Roddick at Wimbledon. Andy Roddick of all people dominated him from the baseline that day. The only reason he won is he had one his best serving days and Roddick's worthless return of serve which combined for 50 aces and a bunch of other service winners. Plus the blown 2nd set tiebreak by Roddick.

Yes but we have to consider few things:

-2009 Wimbledon F was not the 1st time Roddick pushed Fed at Wimbledon,not to a fifth set sure but Roddick was giving him quite a trouble in 2004 Wimbledon F as well.

-Roddick was on average serving the highest # of aces he ever did in 2009 Wimbledon(it was almost 2001 Goran like) and that coupled with the decline of Fed's ROS over the last few years made Roddick not an easy match-up anymore.

-I have never seen Roddick transition to the net better than in 2009 Wimbledon SF and F,hitting a high percentage return was an option that was punished for both Murray and Fed against A-Rod at Wimbledon that year.

-Fed still lost just one set on the route to the final in 2009 while in 2010 he should have been out in the 1st round.I know many people here have a low opinion of Roddick but he's a quality opponent on grass when he's playing well(which he certainly was in 2009 Wimbledon),there's a big difference between getting pushed to five sets against him and being on the brink of losing to someone like Falla.

My point is that IMO Fed played at a much higher level in 2009 Wimbledon than last year when he was just downright terrible for his standards(heck not just for his)so it's still possible that 2010 Wimbledon was a just one off lousy performance and that Fed plays this year at Wimbledon at his 2008-2009 level which is enough for him to be a contender IMO,we'll find out.Don't forget at FO this year Fed played some of his best CC tennis in years,it's not out of the question that he plays well at Wimbledon as well.

NadalAgassi said:
Before Wimbledon last year he lost to grandpa Hewitt on grass who he hadnt lost to on any surface in 7 years. And in the 1st round of Wimbledon he was outplayed and nearly lost in 4 sets to Falla.

So if you think Federer isnt well past his best on the surface then you are blind to reality.

He still could win another Wimbledon maybe but only if he avoids Nadal and he doesnt run into a top 10 player playing as well as Berdych last year.

Hard courts is by far Federer's best surface now and if he ever wins another slam it is where he is most likely to, not Wimbledon.

I agree with all that if Fed plays at his dreadful 2010 Wimbledon level but as I said IMO there's a chance he'll play better.

Ralph · Jun 13, 2011

TheNatural said:
Fred can't LOSE it, he can only gain it so theres not that much pressure on him. It's Nadal's Wimbledon to lose.

Our posts clashed

I feel there's more pressure than there was due to his recent performance at the FO, as mentioned above. I do agree with your latter statement that it is Ralph's to win or lose though.

cknobman · Jun 13, 2011

The only time I will ever say Roger will never win another major is when he retires from the tour.

Magnus · Jun 13, 2011

NadalAgassi said:
I think the U.S Open is his best chance, even more than Wimbledon. He has a great shot vs Djokovic at the U.S Open, and Nadal can lose to a variety of players there. Wimbledon will be hard since Nadal is by far the favorite. Nadal hasnt lost at Wimbledon since 2007 now.

Nadal was only dominant at W in 2008, and it still took him 5 sets in the final. He didn't play in 2009, and in 2010 he was close to losing on quite a few occasions (some would say Nadal stole his way to victory).

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