Mustard
Bionic Poster
Calm down. I'm just giving Murray some banter tips
Murray had 1 RU and 3 SFs. Federer had 1 RU, 2 SFs and 1 QF.
Oh well
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Calm down. I'm just giving Murray some banter tips
Murray had 1 RU and 3 SFs. Federer had 1 RU, 2 SFs and 1 QF.
Oh well
MG1
Professional
Murray is not nole.!!
Muarry - Zero slams
Nole - 4 slams
he do have habit of choking!!
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
But nobody cares about any of that. Who cares about whether Federer made this SF or Murray made that final. It is only the slam wins that people care about and in that area Murray is not even remotely in the discussion with Federer.
With that said, if Roger really did say those things about Murray and they were not taken out of context by the source, I agree that Roger's comments were not the best thing to say given the fact that in his last two tournaments he did not have to meet Murray, Nadal or Djokovic himself.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I did - twice. He played exactly poorly enough for Berdych to win and couldn't come up with any defence for what Berdych laid down - despite Murray supposedly being the form player.
Berdych was fighting fit against Federer imo. Federer just trounced him by not playing short and giving him tons of swinging opportunities like Murray had. Had Murray been smarter he would have known not to play into Berdych's sweet spot so often. That, to me, is poor strategy and a match Murray should have won. Sure, he fought hard, but only had to because he gave so much leeway to Berdych to play his favourite style and Murray making those uncharacteristic errors on crucial points was just the result of this.
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
What do you mean? Us Tennis nerds just love to debate this stuff and Mustard needs to know for his stats! :wink:
I'll go one better and say Murray is not in that particular discussion at all given that he has yet to win one! But this particular discussion was about their relative performance in the slams THIS year, not in their entire careers!
Roger has a history of making double-edged comments about certain other players usually on the eve of a tournament. I think he likes to play mind-games. In Murray's case he's been rather good at it unfortunately.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree with you on this point. Roger likes to indulge in psychological warfare at times. As if Murray did not have enough of his own psychological problems to figure out how to win on the big stages.
CDestroyer
Professional
Fed always makes these kinds of arrogant comments. He never gives credit to whoever just kicked his ass. He will give himself credit even when its not deserved. I hope get gets destroyed at the WTF. I hope Mirka is devastated and cries on camera as well.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
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tlm
G.O.A.T.
This is the true fed, you know MR sportsman. He is a arrogant egomaniac, but all his blind followers cannot see it.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
He said the same thing after winning Paris.
nikdom-thanks for starting a flamewar.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
If that is true then it is really really shameful for the British press. At the same time, I would wait to read his response rather than go by what Neil Harman has to write.
Crisstti
Legend
This was the biggest 'oh snap' comment about Murray's post USO season though -
"It has been a good effort by him after losing to Kevin Anderson in Montreal [in August]," Federer offered. "Don't forget how things were looking then"
Man, Roger can be snarky, hehehe.
Yes he can, if he really said it (though I guess even if he didn't say this particular thing).
He was quite nice about Rafa though.
That is a good point.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well we must have been watching different matches. If Murray couldn't come up with any defence against Berdych he could hardly have taken the 1st set and almost taken the 2nd.
Berdych's level dropped considerably against Federer. Inevitable given the long match against Murray the previous day. His serve was way down on what it had been in the previous match and that's usually fatal for a player like him whose big serve is the foundation of his game. Murray's forehand and backhand misfired too often and that's what let him down at crucial moments but I agree with you that he should have won the match. Berdych seems to be one of those players who is a bad match-up for Murray. All players have them.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I absolutely love that comment. I agree with him too and I'm not taking anything away from what Roger did but in Basel, Rafa wasn't there, Murray wasn't there and Novak lost early and in Paris Rafa wasn't there, Djoko withdrew and Murray lost early... so: was Europe the strongest this year?
LOL. Good stuff, Fed, good stuff. Keep it up
(Of course Fed forgot Murray had to beat 1 of the top 3 in Tokyo. Selective memory syndrome...)
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I absolutely love that comment. I agree with him too and I'm not taking anything away from what Roger did but in Basel, Rafa wasn't there, Murray wasn't there and Novak withdrew and in Paris Rafa wasn't there, Djoko withdrew and Murray lost early... so: was Europe the strongest this year?
LOL. Good stuff, Fed, good stuff. Keep it up
(Of course Fed forgot Murray had to beat 1 of the top 3 in Tokyo. Selective memory syndrome...)
Selective memory syndrome would apply to you actually because Roger was referring to Shanghai, not Tokyo. Thanks for playing.
DeShaun
Banned
He may not be shy about poking the risk-averse whose main strategy in common is to poke at rally balls, thereby testing the other guy's mental and physical endurance instead of more aggressively probing his defense, but Roger's game of early attack is sometimes more enjoyable to watch than a sixty-five stoke rally between two skilled, "percentage" players.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
I absolutely love that comment. I agree with him too and I'm not taking anything away from what Roger did but in Basel, Rafa wasn't there, Murray wasn't there and Novak withdrew and in Paris Rafa wasn't there, Djoko withdrew and Murray lost early... so: was Europe the strongest this year?
LOL. Good stuff, Fed, good stuff. Keep it up
(Of course Fed forgot Murray had to beat 1 of the top 3 in Tokyo. Selective memory syndrome...)
Novak withdrew? Really? Can you withdraw after your opponent has beat you?
zagor
Bionic Poster
I disagree with the serve being foundation of Berdman's game, not every tall guy out there has serve as his biggest weapon. For Berdych I always felt his clean hard hitting from the backcourt(off both sides) and punishing ROS were his strongest assets.
Furthemore I agree with some things Bobby Jr said, regardless of whether Berdych played at a lower level against Fed than against Murray Fed's tactics were sound(which I would think even if he lost the match) while Murray did sort of play into Berdych's hands.
With Berdych you have to take his time away by taking the ball early and hitting with depth, if you give him the time to setup his huge groundies he'll on his good day overwhelm you with pace, you're feel like you're in a shooting range or something. Murray allowed the match to be played on Berdman's terms, a mistake he already made a few times in their match-up and paid the price.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Sorry, replace with Novak lost early, doesn't change anything to the reasoning.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He was referring to ASIA not being the strongest (field). Tokyo is in Asia ( your memory may need refreshing about that) and Murray won both Shanghai and Tokyo and he did have to beat a top 3 during that streak, so it seems Asia was actually stronger than Europe. You're welcome.
(you should read the full quote where he mentions both Shanghai and Tokyo BTW).
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
No actually. YOU need to read the full quote. And I'm perfectly aware that Toyo falls in Asia. Thanks for nothing Captain Obvious.. Learn to read and then come back.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
My reading skills tell me Fed lost a good opportunity to shut up on this one
But he knows it of course, which is why he is lamely backtracking about it...
But he knows it of course, which is why he is lamely backtracking about it...
billnepill
Hall of Fame
Lol at low lifes smelling the blood and having a go at federer without a proper interview or the like
jones101
Hall of Fame
jones101
Hall of Fame
The 'Nadal News' Stanatics always come out in force to attack Fed at any opportunity, I swear they seem to hate Roger more than they like Rafa.
Pondlife!
billnepill
Hall of Fame
Yes, if the media publish an interview or quote nadal and it is somewhat negative, people religiously go and look for nuances, context, translation from spanish, etc . Countless of times initial misquotes have been refuted in this way. I guess that is not necessary with federer. But... Who cares? It is a tactic to increase the interest in the tourney anyways
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Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Too bad you couldn't combine Murray's attitude with Roger's achievements. Arrogance is the way of legends.
funny how i always hear people say they miss the old rivalries and find it stupid how players today seem to be friends more than competitors. and then when someone actually makes a challenging remark towards another before a big tournament he gets hated on
anyway so far we dont really know what exactly he said and how or why he might have said it. if it is the way the british press carried it out then it wasnt a nice thing to say of course. but they are opponents about to compete for a big title.
statements like this on the eve of battle would be very common in most sports today
anyway so far we dont really know what exactly he said and how or why he might have said it. if it is the way the british press carried it out then it wasnt a nice thing to say of course. but they are opponents about to compete for a big title.
statements like this on the eve of battle would be very common in most sports today
MG1
Professional
Murray needs to win 1 slam otherwise he should keep his mouth shut and listen whatever roger,rafa and nole say:twisted:
TennisLovaLova
Hall of Fame
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Do you have a link for the interview where he said that ? Easier to post a link than argue with Fed haters.
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Yeah, like Federer;s wins at Bercy and Basel were against a very strong field. Look who is talking !
Andy FTW !!!
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
oh, for a moment I thought you were talking about Roger.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I'll post that bit of the interview where he was asked if he was the favourite for the WTF soon.
sdfedfans
Rookie
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decrepitude
Rookie
Mainad
Bionic Poster
But he talked about 'Asia not being the strongest this year' not just Shanghai.
Well, I guess he forgot about Murray v Nadal in Tokyo!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, I daresay he could have mixed up his tactics a bit more but if his forehand and backhand had been up to their usual standard I'm pretty sure he would have won the match. As I said, he was just a point away from bringing up match point in the 2nd set tie-break when he went and hit a cross-court volley long. If it had been a two set beatdown by Berdych then I would completely agree with you both. But it wasn't. In the end, he made too many UEs and that's what let him down IMO.
A
aprilfool
Guest
Fixed it for you...
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
My reading skills tell me Fed lost a good opportunity to shut up on this one
But he knows it of course, which is why he is lamely backtracking about it...
I have to admit that I agree with you here. Would have been just better overall for Federer to say what he has usually said in the past which is something like "you can only play who is in front of you. "
MG1
Professional
Yes but Murray's not the one who's been opening his mouth is he??
he didn't and he should not be in near future until he proves it by winning the his first slam!!
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Another generous, gracious comment from this year's Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award winner.
Crisstti
Legend
Why does it matter at all if Andy has won a slam in order for him to be able to defend the validity, let's say, of what he has won?. That's just nonsense.
Andy beat Rafa (and it was 6-0 in the last set). I'm sorry, but that is more than what Roger did to get any of his titles this year. A lot more. There's no way either that Andy was the favourite (much less the clear favourite) over Rafa in Tokyo. So I'm not sure how much Roger is backtracking or denying what he had allegedly said before. Seems clear to me he said something similar at least.
Well, Rafa doesn't exactly do that, and yet he beats him all the time...
Andy beat Rafa (and it was 6-0 in the last set). I'm sorry, but that is more than what Roger did to get any of his titles this year. A lot more. There's no way either that Andy was the favourite (much less the clear favourite) over Rafa in Tokyo. So I'm not sure how much Roger is backtracking or denying what he had allegedly said before. Seems clear to me he said something similar at least.
Well, Rafa doesn't exactly do that, and yet he beats him all the time...
TennisLovaLova
Hall of Fame
Carsomyr
Legend
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
D-Bagerer at it again
MG1
Professional
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