Why can't people like both Federer and Nadal?

TeflonTom · Jul 11, 2012

nadal had an inauspicious start to his career? thats gotta be the biggest load of crap i have ever heard

- only the 9th player to win a pro match before turning 16
- youngest player to make 3rd rd of wimby since boris becker
- beat fed on hardcourt at 17
- youngest slam winner since sampras

wolfman = another clueless fanboi who clearly knows nothing about tennis from before whenever he jumped on the nadz bandwagon

PCXL-Fan · Jul 11, 2012

I was right about Bonds, Jones, Ullrich, Armstrong long before the incriminating evidence came out. I was particularly right about Jones, and ppl just continually dismissed my trying to point out the evidence.

That's why I don't like one of the players.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 11, 2012

TeflonTom said:
nadal had an inauspicious start to his career? thats gotta be the biggest load of crap i have ever heard

- only the 9th player to win a pro match before turning 16
- youngest player to make 3rd rd of wimby since boris becker
- beat fed on hardcourt at 17
- youngest slam winner since sampras

wolfman = another clueless fanboi who clearly knows nothing about tennis from before whenever he jumped on the nadz bandwagon

Don't be stupid and read my response to the other post. My point is that he was always supposed to lose outside clay against Federer, and he refused to do so. Inauspicious outside of clay if you wish, compared to Fed.

TeflonTom · Jul 11, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
Don't be stupid and read my response to the other post. My point is that he was always supposed to lose outside clay against Federer, and he refused to do so. Inauspicious outside of clay if you wish, compared to Fed.

he beat fed in straight sets on hardcourt at 17!

he was the youngest player since becker in the 3rd round of wimby 2 years before he even played his first french open. it was obvious 2 everyone that the kid had serious allround game.

pls stop embarrassing urself brah

zagor · Jul 11, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
That's pretty much it, brilliantly put.

The fact that all these Fedtrolls have come out of the woodwork and started resurrecting threads is because they were terrified of Nadal, and now that he seems to be down they thought it was a good opportunity to come out of their caves deep in the forest and start swinging their pathetic bats to the sky while grinning in ecstasy.

This ain't over.

Actually, most of the thread resurrecting was done by regulars, not be returning/new trolls who came out of the woodwork.

I think I myself resurrected highest number of threads recently (mostly threads from one poster though) and if Fed wins another slam you can bet I'll do it again.

To best understand my reasons, think of how you feel about Fed fans, well that's the same way I feel about Nadal fans, I feel some of them crossed the line too many times and deserve to get a taste of their medicine (it's petty I know, but it's still loads of fun).

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
he beat fed in straight sets on hardcourt at 17!

he was the youngest player since becker in the 3rd round of wimby 2 years before he even played his first french open. it was obvious 2 everyone that the kid had serious allround game.

pls stop embarrassing urself brah

Forget about it. Wolf guy was too frantically patching the holes in his individual premises to realize how weakly supported his overall argument was. Dealing with him would be like shooting fish in a barrel when you're drunk--it's always going to be ridiculously easy but because you're drunk you may need to take more than one shot. He's just like Rafa, disregarding the unspoken rules of order, scratching his derriere and drawing out time in between the points as much as he can to disrupt the opponent's rhythm (c'mon Wolf, don't even bother disputing this). Nadal is a complete punk--I love watching him go down on big hitters, it really shows his true colors: lack of fight when unable to intimidate, lack of variety when unable successfully to heavily junk-ball opponents' backhands, complete lack of charisma in any situation, need I go on? You watch a pressure point played out between Nadal and anyone when Rafa's under pressure, and what will you see? Answer: nine times out of ten you will see Nadal looping heavy topspin to his opponent's backhand, because the opponent is righty. Does this sound simplistic to you? Yeah. That's how his game looks to me. And what if that does not work, what if Rafa's opponent somehow counters the backhand attack? Well, this is easy- Rafa simply tries to impart more topspin on his shots to your backhand and that's all there is to it. Dumb caveman has no plan B.

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

Bruce39 said:
I never denied it, but I also didn't pretend to be all self-righteous and claim "Oh dear all of these haters, I mr. wonderful do not hate anyone!". And then go on to indict the opposing ****s only . LOL. Hypocrisy is rampant amongst the biggest ****s.

This is a very good point.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

most of the top players r probably juicing. the itf seems more interested in preserving the image of a sport without a doping problem than havin a transparent n thorough testing regime

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
most of the top players r probably juicing. the itf seems more interested in preserving the image of a sport without a doping problem than havin a transparent n thorough testing regime

I agree. But it's easier for me to ascribe cheating to the guy whose whole game primarily hinges on movement for defensive purposes than the guy who seems much less interested in runnting back and forth all day long--one guy would need superhuman stamina while the other not necessarily. That's why is was soooooooo gratifying to watch Novak on speed outgrinding Nadal last year.

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

The-Champ said:
I hate Nadal because he prevented my idol fed from getting the calendar slam 3 times. I hate Nadal because he is the only player that has beaten my idol fed in a wimbledon final. I hate Nadal because he is 8-2 against my idol Fed in major matches. If fed had a H2H of 28-0 against Nadal, I wouldn't care about his fist pumping and time wasting. He would be then become my idol Fed's pigeon, not worthy to talk about. I love Rosol, Söderling and Djokovic 2011, but not the Djokovic of 2012 clay season.

Best post!

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
That's pretty much it, brilliantly put.

The fact that all these Fedtrolls have come out of the woodwork and started resurrecting threads is because they were terrified of Nadal, and now that he seems to be down they thought it was a good opportunity to come out of their caves deep in the forest and start swinging their pathetic bats to the sky while grinning in ecstasy.

This ain't over.

Not exacly, they are always in full flight. Whether Nadal wins or not! I've been here since 2009 and they have never shut their putrid mouth.

Tennis_Hands · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
I agree. But it's easier for me to ascribe cheating to the guy whose whole game primarily hinges on movement for defensive purposes than the guy who seems much less interested in runnting back and forth all day long--one guy would need superhuman stamina while the other not necessarily. That's why is was soooooooo gratifying to watch Novak on speed outgrinding Nadal last year.

Federer is the only tennis player from the top 4, that has suggested his doping samples to be kept for 8 years and then retested.

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

Raging Buddha said:
Would you name some of these recent Fed trolls, in that case? There's only been maybe one or two that I can think of in recent times, and they are nothing compared to many past and current Djoko/Rafatards eg. NSK aka. brickner damage aka. 6-1 6-3 6-0, GodNovak, Nadalfan89, nadalwon2012 aka. NADALWON, etc.

Do you at least realise that there is one "Nadal will win everything from now on" troll who must have something like 25 accounts by now? It doesn't mean that they are 25 trolls. That troll is even more bothering for Nadal fans than for other posters BTW.

ViscaB · Jul 12, 2012

PCXL-Fan said:
I was right about Bonds, Jones, Ullrich, Armstrong long before the incriminating evidence came out. I was particularly right about Jones, and ppl just continually dismissed my trying to point out the evidence.

That's why I don't like one of the players.

What do you think of the Sky cycling team.... It looks like Festina, ONCE, US Postal all over again.

Back to topic. I have always liked both. Likable persons who had a good upbringing and have a good family behind them. I have always thought Federer's and Nadal's parents are very decent people.

Povl Carstensen · Jul 12, 2012

tenniswriter said:
I can understand the preference, but why the hate?

I think both are great!

Thud and blunder · Jul 12, 2012

xyztards are not real tennis fans; they'd be better off watching baseball. Players come and players go, so what do you do when your guy retires? Drape your ****ism over the next candidate? Or maybe carry on sniping in the 'Former Player' forum.

I can understand people having an irrational devotion to the team they've supported since they were a kid, going to the game with dad etc etc, but to transfer this mania to tennis players suggests emotional problems in most cases, I'd suspect.

Me, I like all the top players, Murray excepted. Nadal is probably my favourite player, but I cheered on Rosol at Wimbledon, because he produced incredible tennis and a great story. Being a **** blinds you to good tennis, which is a bit sad.

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

Tennis_Hands said:
Federer is the only tennis player from the top 4, that has suggested his doping samples to be kept for 8 years and then retested.

I am not surprised. His racquet skills often carry the day for him, certainly not his legs and their ability for scampering across the baseline ten feet behind it all day long. He more often aims aggressively to win points on his stick--like a real man does--not to have the points awarded him for having outlasted his opponents in some high stakes version of a live hitting drill.

Sentinel · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
No, Clarky is correct. It doesn't matter how many slams Fed has as long as it looks like Nadal is having a good run and has a shot at it. That's how pathetic those goons are. Fed's achievements to them would go down the toilet as soon as Nadal surpassed them. That's where the night terrors and the diapers come in for them. LOL

, bro ??

p.s. you sir, are the worthy recipient of this favorite gif of mine.

Paul Murphy · Jul 12, 2012

I like them both - what's not to like? Decent guys, good sportsmen.
I just happen to much prefer watching the GOAT play - doesn't mean I don't like Rafa but his game to me is all about raw power and I prefer some power liberally sprinkled with finesse, artistry and beauty.

roysid · Jul 12, 2012

People who like Federer are usually
- Fans of good tennis. Clean hitting of balls not running like crazy and hit shots like something is in trouble.
- Fans of good sportsmanship.
- Dislike antics like deliberate time wasting to break rhythm of opponents, butt picking, bottle arranging
- False modesty

So how can they like Nadal

roysid · Jul 12, 2012

People who like Nadal are usually
- Under 12
- Women

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

roysid said:
People who like Nadal are usually
- Under 12
- Women

Are women inferior to men? :???:

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

reversef said:
Are women inferior to men? :???:

They are superior but also less manly; because two men were being compared, or judged if you will, in part by the alleged composition of their respective audiences, and sometime there is much chest thumping and other pseudo manly activities that go unfortunately hand in hand with making such comparisons, the one man with more female admirers was implied to have the more frivolous followers and by extension a less estimable game.
I took the quest to be that of determining which player has the game that is more hard and substantial like a cut diamond and which player has the rhinestone, more superficial game.

augustobt · Jul 12, 2012

roysid said:
People who like Nadal are usually
- Under 12
- Women

You forgot to mention "Don't know the shape of the tennis ball".

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
They are superior but also less manly; because two men were being compared, or judged if you will, in part by the alleged composition of their respective audiences, and sometime there is much chest thumping and other pseudo manly activities that go unfortunately hand in hand with making such comparisons, the one man with more female admirers was implied to have the more frivolous followers and by extension a less estimable game.
I took the quest to be that of determining which player has the game that is more hard and substantial like a cut diamond and which player has the rhinestone, more superficial game.

LOL Tons of efforts to avoid saying it: a female fan < a male fan
Which means women < men
That's exactly what that kind of post implies. Misogyny at its best.

On another note, a player can have an efficient game, an elegant game, he can play with brilliance or consistency or intensity or diversity. His game can be boring or powerful or whatever you like. Superficial? No. A person can be superficial. Not a tennis game. If superficiality could win matches, it would be very easy to be a professional.

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

augustobt said:
You forgot to mention "Don't know the shape of the tennis ball".

Don't forget "inhabitants of the third world countries". It's missing.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

there is also subconsious cultural bias element as well

ppl from anglosphere countries also tend to identify better with europeans from a teutonic background given their own heritage n cultural similarities

latins r often regarded with suspicion... sneaky, untrustworthy, etc

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

zagor said:
Actually, most of the thread resurrecting was done by regulars, not be returning/new trolls who came out of the woodwork.

I think I myself resurrected highest number of threads recently (mostly threads from one poster though) and if Fed wins another slam you can bet I'll do it again.

To best understand my reasons, think of how you feel about Fed fans, well that's the same way I feel about Nadal fans, I feel some of them crossed the line too many times and deserve to get a taste of their medicine (it's petty I know, but it's still loads of fun).

I absolutely understand, zagor. I know the thrill you feel when you click that Submit Reply button, knowing that you are about to unleash a sh!tstorm the likes of which hasn't been seen in a while.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
he beat fed in straight sets on hardcourt at 17!

he was the youngest player since becker in the 3rd round of wimby 2 years before he even played his first french open. it was obvious 2 everyone that the kid had serious allround game.

pls stop embarrassing urself brah

Like I said, don't be stupid.

Did you bet on Rafa ever winning a HC slam, let alone the Career Grand Slam, let alone by age 24, or even have the record number of Masters at 5 years younger than "the GOAT"?

Like I said, Nadal is Seabiscuit. God bless the kid.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
Forget about it. Wolf guy was too frantically patching the holes in his individual premises to realize how weakly supported his overall argument was. Dealing with him would be like shooting fish in a barrel when you're drunk--it's always going to be ridiculously easy but because you're drunk you may need to take more than one shot. He's just like Rafa, disregarding the unspoken rules of order, scratching his derriere and drawing out time in between the points as much as he can to disrupt the opponent's rhythm (c'mon Wolf, don't even bother disputing this). Nadal is a complete punk--I love watching him go down on big hitters, it really shows his true colors: lack of fight when unable to intimidate, lack of variety when unable successfully to heavily junk-ball opponents' backhands, complete lack of charisma in any situation, need I go on? You watch a pressure point played out between Nadal and anyone when Rafa's under pressure, and what will you see? Answer: nine times out of ten you will see Nadal looping heavy topspin to his opponent's backhand, because the opponent is righty. Does this sound simplistic to you? Yeah. That's how his game looks to me. And what if that does not work, what if Rafa's opponent somehow counters the backhand attack? Well, this is easy- Rafa simply tries to impart more topspin on his shots to your backhand and that's all there is to it. Dumb caveman has no plan B.

This is just an example of the hate-ridden posts I have been referring to.

By the way, referring to me in third person while you talk to somebody else just shows you are afraid to address me directly because you know I will dialectically ra.pe you 90% of the time (much like what Rafa does to Fed in slams.)

"Dumb caveman" pwns your idol. Deal with it, you goofball.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
Do you really think that Rafa has been using PEDs to gain an unfair advantage? I became earnestly suspicious during USO 2010--something about him then did not pass the eye test. I think he wanted so badly to complete his career slam he took something then thought undetectable. Where's that big serve anymore? Cheater...he's such a little punk.

Yes, because it's impossible for somebody with the right genetics, work ethic, and consistence in training, to look like Rafa.

Just because you look like a limp armed girlie it doesn't mean it can't be done, knucklehead.

You are the sort of people that accuses others of cheating when they are better than you, because you fail to realize and acknowledge that you svck. You're horrible at discussing in the forum as well. All you do is hang from the ballz of other posters and reply to other posters with silly agreement sentences.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
Like I said, don't be stupid.

Did you bet on Rafa ever winning a HC slam, let alone the Career Grand Slam, let alone by age 24, or even have the record number of Masters at 5 years younger than "the GOAT"?

Like I said, Nadal is Seabiscuit. God bless the kid.

dude, u wouldnt bet on anyone winning a career grand slam at that age. nonetheless it was pretty obvious that when the guy beat the world #1 on HC at 17 that he had major chops as an allround player.

with his performances against fed on HC, at wimby, etc all b4 the age of 18 the guy had more potential on all surfaces as a young player than any1 since arguably agassi

seabiscuit analogy is just complete idiocy, u could not have picked a worse player to apply it to. heck, the description fits fed 100% better than nadz if u are talkin about a slow starter that ppl wrote off too early

your posting in this thread is massive pile of fail. pls stop, for ur own sake

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
I agree. But it's easier for me to ascribe cheating to the guy whose whole game primarily hinges on movement for defensive purposes than the guy who seems much less interested in runnting back and forth all day long--one guy would need superhuman stamina while the other not necessarily. That's why is was soooooooo gratifying to watch Novak on speed outgrinding Nadal last year.

Yeah, and Novak doesn't juice even though he went from having one of the worst staminas on tour to the best of all time because you don't dislike him.

Excellent reasoning, you goof.

Gangsta · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
Because both win so often, the other guy's fan base may continually be questioning its values. You can back the one horse or the other. They are essentially different animals, however, running the same race.
One is a stalker with great turn of foot on the final two furlongs, letting others do the work of breaking headwinds for most of the race, then he sneaks up and overtakes the leaders who've tired from so breaking--they were sheltering the cunning tag-along the whole time without even realizing it, and now they can't do anything about him, about his energy reserves which are greater than theirs for his having faced less resistance in getting to this point, and now he slips by them just before hitting the tape, "Thanks boys. M'preciate all your hard work suckers"
This is Rafa.

Contrasted with Roger who is. . .I'm not even going to get into it. One player plays cunningly, guards his words carefully, and uses psyching on court quite a bit more than the other. A dissimulating courtier.

The other player is a proud natural leader of men, he is not sneaky nor does he hide himself nor guard his words. He is straight forward in his playing style and unabashedly candid with his opinions. A sort of man others willingly follow into battle.

So, when on or the other guy wins, it's tempting to conclude his personality which informs his playing style and may speak to his character was responsible in part for that win when it probably was but only to a very small degree...so maybe we hate the character that wins when it was only his tennis that got the job done.

What a sh.itload of absolute cr@p. Federer would be so much more popular if he didn't have fans like you. Unreal.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
dude, u wouldnt bet on anyone winning a career grand slam at that age. it was pretty obvious that when the guy beat the world #1 on HC at 17 that he had major chops as an allround player.

with his performances against fed on HC, at wimby, etc all b4 the age of 18 the guy had more potential on all surfaces as a young player than any1 since arguably agassi.

seabiscuit analogy is just complete idiocy, u could not have picked a worse player to apply it to. heck, the description fits fed far better than nadz - ppl were writing him off as a dud by the end of his teens

your posting in this thread is massive pile of fail. pls stop, for ur own sake

You are the reason mediocrity and vulgarity runs rampant in our time. People like you are the reason for the proliferation of fast food, dumb CGI blockbuster movies, and the success of The Kardashians.

Just because you can't appreciate how brilliant that analogy between Nadal and Seabiscuit is, it doesn't mean anything.

Deal with it, and try to make some positive contribution to the forum. All you can do is write in jive or say brah or whatever. You have nothing to contribute.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
I agree. But it's easier for me to ascribe cheating to the guy I utterly hate.

There, I fixed it for you. Not like it isn't obvious though.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
You are the reason mediocrity and vulgarity runs rampant in our time. People like you are the reason for the proliferation of fast food, dumb CGI blockbuster movies, and the success of The Kardashians.

Just because you can't appreciate how brilliant that analogy between Nadal and Seabiscuit is, it doesn't mean anything.

Deal with it, and try to make some positive contribution to the forum. All you can do is write in jive or say brah or whatever. You have nothing to contribute.

haha. ad hominem, the last refuge of the butthurt

thanx 4 playin brah, try not to fail so bad last next time

Gangsta · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
nonetheless it was pretty obvious that when the guy beat the world #1 on HC at 17 that he had major chops as an allround player.

with his performances against fed on HC, at wimby, etc all b4 the age of 18 the guy had more potential on all surfaces as a young player than any1 since arguably agassi

Even today, Rafa is called a one-surface wonder by Federer fans. Can't have it both ways.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

reversef said:
Not exacly, they are always in full flight. Whether Nadal wins or not! I've been here since 2009 and they have never shut their putrid mouth.

Excellent. At least somebody else tells it like it is.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

Gangsta said:
Even today, Rafa is called a one-surface wonder by Federer fans. Can't have it both ways.

brah, i dont care about u fanbois n ur petty squabbles. im just callin out a moronic post by a poor poster

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

Sentinel said:
, bro ??

p.s. you sir, are the worthy recipient of this favorite gif of mine.

WTF? Brilliant!

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

Thud and blunder said:
xyztards are not real tennis fans; they'd be better off watching baseball. Players come and players go, so what do you do when your guy retires? Drape your ****ism over the next candidate? Or maybe carry on sniping in the 'Former Player' forum.

I can understand people having an irrational devotion to the team they've supported since they were a kid, going to the game with dad etc etc, but to transfer this mania to tennis players suggests emotional problems in most cases, I'd suspect.

Me, I like all the top players, Murray excepted. Nadal is probably my favourite player, but I cheered on Rosol at Wimbledon, because he produced incredible tennis and a great story. Being a **** blinds you to good tennis, which is a bit sad.

True. I actually can appreciate Fed's insane game, even if I'm not rooting for him when he plays Nadal.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

DeShaun said:
They are superior but also less manly; because two men were being compared, or judged if you will, in part by the alleged composition of their respective audiences, and sometime there is much chest thumping and other pseudo manly activities that go unfortunately hand in hand with making such comparisons, the one man with more female admirers was implied to have the more frivolous followers and by extension a less estimable game.
I took the quest to be that of determining which player has the game that is more hard and substantial like a cut diamond and which player has the rhinestone, more superficial game.

What was that about shooting fish in a barrel?

LMFAO.

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
brah, i dont care about u fanbois n ur petty squabbles. im just callin out a moronic post by a poor poster

brah im jus talkin like i thinkin K? U just fanboi. K?

Ur spellcheck stuck on stoopeed K?

Wolfman Jack · Jul 12, 2012

TeflonTom said:
there is also subconsious cultural bias element as well

ppl from anglosphere countries also tend to identify better with europeans from a teutonic background given their own heritage n cultural similarities

latins r often regarded with suspicion... sneaky, untrustworthy, etc

Baloney. It's all envy, dressed up in many different ways. But the core of this is just utter envy and disbelief that Fed had somebody to stand up to him. If he had been born 10 years earlier he would have only racked 5 or 6 slams at best.

TeflonTom · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
brah im jus talkin like i thinkin K? U just fanboi. K?

Ur spellcheck stuck on stoopeed K?

dood if i were u wouldnt keep calling attention 2 the logical assraping u just received

but its ur call i guess

VPhuc tennis fan · Jul 12, 2012

tenniswriter said:
So, my point really, is why do people see the need to support either Federer or Nadal? And 'Roger fans' hate 'Rafa fans' and vice-versa.

Personally, I like both of them with a bit of preference for Fed. They have different styles, different point constructions, different strategy, etc. So player-wise, I only wish them the best.
My beef is toward SOME of the Rafa's fan, and those directed by my comments know who I talk about. Some of them basically just play armchair quarterback, trying to revert the timeline so they can argue that if Rafa had been there earlier, or peaked ealier, whatever else, Fed would have been nowhere where he is right now. That kind of second-guessing, hindsight just drove me nuts. These fans just want to twist the facts to conform to their sick fantasy. That, for me, is a big insult for what Fed has achieved. Let play the reverse scenario. Imagine someone said,"let's remove FO and all clay tournaments, let's make everything like WTF court surface, where would Rafa be?". My guess is he wouldn't have 11 GS as of now. However that's an insult to Rafa, and not the reality. So I don't like that kind of 'what-if' attitude seen from many Rafa's fan. To be fair, some of Fed's fan are just as well crazy. However I've seemed to encounter that from Rafa's fans
My 2 cents.

reversef · Jul 12, 2012

VPhuc tennis fan said:
Personally, I like both of them with a bit of preference for Fed. They have different styles, different point constructions, different strategy, etc. So player-wise, I only wish them the best.
My beef is toward SOME of the Rafa's fan, and those directed by my comments know who I talk about. Some of them basically just play armchair quarterback, trying to revert the timeline so they can argue that if Rafa had been there earlier, or peaked ealier, whatever else, Fed would have been nowhere where he is right now. That kind of second-guessing, hindsight just drove me nuts. These fans just want to twist the facts to conform to their sick fantasy. That, for me, is a big insult for what Fed has achieved. Let play the reverse scenario. Imagine someone said,"let's remove FO and all clay tournaments, let's make everything like WTF court surface, where would Rafa be?". My guess is he wouldn't have 11 GS as of now. However that's an insult to Rafa, and not the reality. So I don't like that kind of 'what-if' attitude seen from many Rafa's fan. To be fair, some of Fed's fan are just as well crazy. However I've seemed to encounter that from Rafa's fans
My 2 cents.

But man, that's what we can read here EVERYDAY! What if he had played in the nineties? ... and blablabla. Even more: in august 2010, you could still read how the HC of the USO were THE REAL SURFACE or THE ONLY MANLY SURFACE (I swear, it's not a joke). One month later, they had suddenly become so slow.
I could keep going, you know.

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

reversef said:
LOL Tons of efforts to avoid saying it: a female fan < a male fan
Which means women < men
That's exactly what that kind of post implies. Misogyny at its best.

On another note, a player can have an efficient game, an elegant game, he can play with brilliance or consistency or intensity or diversity. His game can be boring or powerful or whatever you like. Superficial? No. A person can be superficial. Not a tennis game. If superficiality could win matches, it would be very easy to be a professional.

Ha ha You got me, I just reread what I had written and you are absolutely correct IMO.

DeShaun · Jul 12, 2012

Wolfman Jack said:
This is just an example of the hate-ridden posts I have been referring to.

By the way, referring to me in third person while you talk to somebody else just shows you are afraid to address me directly because you know I will dialectically ra.pe you 90% of the time (much like what Rafa does to Fed in slams.)

"Dumb caveman" pwns your idol. Deal with it, you goofball.

I doubt this. Maybe if you spent less time waving your hands and spewing juvenile attacks on people, but that's really stretching it and I would be giving you the benefit of the doubt. To tell you the truth, I see more artifice than substance in most of your commentary so, where you may get me may be with rhetoric but not with dialectical reasoning because I am just too strong in the use and construction of syllogisms and enthymemes for what I have seen in terms of the intellect moving behind most of your work to seriously trouble me. But I have to deliver someone's racquet right now which I strung for him and so I will see you later Ben.

Why can't people like both Federer and Nadal?

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