Djokodal Fan
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Fed didn't plan anything. It was highly windy day and Fed adjusted to conditions better like he always does. On an ideal day with no external factors, Nadal has already had a good measure of Roger in all slams....easy mate!
Federer vs Murray - 2013 AO semi-finals
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Fed didn't plan anything. It was highly windy day and Fed adjusted to conditions better like he always does. On an ideal day with no external factors, Nadal has already had a good measure of Roger in all slams....easy mate!
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Lol why get so defensive? Everyone made excuses for Federer losing the Olympics blaming his marathon against delpo and now it looks like the *******s have already began lining up the excuses for him if he loses on Friday.
Fed did beat Murray because Murray couldnt handle the occasion, he played nowhere near the level he played in the qtrs or semi for that matter. Now it's time for him to reveal whether he can bring his best against fed in a major.
TheF1Bob
Banned
federer is the most boring player in the top 4. Never shows any emotion on the court. Murray is by far more interesting (though I think Nadal supersedes them both in that department, since Nadal is the most passionate fighter in tennis I have ever witnessed).
First I was,
Then I was,
NSK = GOAT
beckstennis
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zagor
Bionic Poster
I didn't ask about everyone, I asked about you in specific, you said if Fed loses he gets outplayed, no excuses but...
...you have no problem coming with a bunch of excuses for Fed beating Murray in 2010 AO, makes you seem like a bit of a hypocrite now doesn't it?
Basically your logic is that we can't make excuses for a 17 time slam champion but we can certainly do so for all of his opponents.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
That's coz Fed was already a GOAT in 2010. he raked up more slams than Sampras and Murray was baby Murray and a mental Midget.
If I were to ask you ...what do you think about Fed's losses @ wimbly before 2003, what would be your answer?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He's 31 (we're not "nearing" August in January!!) and a day off is plenty to recover from a relatively short 5 setter. His other matches were easy. He will be fresh (or at least he should be). Very different situation from the Olympics where he had to play back to back days. (ETA: I fail to see what his overall career matches have to do with recovery from 1 5 setter at AO. He didn't even play a warm up event on top of the off season in December. Gee. If he can't have plenty in the tank in that situation, then maybe he should leave pro tennis behind and do something else.)
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smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Murray is 25.5 years old. At the same age Fed had 10 slams.
First I was,
Then I was,
NSK = GOAT
Where's the 2nd gif from? I must know.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
It's some actor named Robert Redford in the 1972 movie Jeremiah Johnson. That gif has found a huge audience on the internet.
When I first saw the gif, I thought it was that fatass from Hangover.
MindoverMatter
Professional
Federer only has a chance if he comes out guns blazing, not hitting too many forehand errors, getting the first serve in, and really capitalizing on Murray's honestly horrid second serve (he averages like 80 mph on that thing, usually straight down the middle).
But if Fed can't take the first set, then I say there's an 80% chance he'll lose. He just doesn't have the gas in the tank to definitively win a match in 4 after a bad start and absolutely not in 5. If he can take the first set, then Murray will collapse a little bit and Federer can take his foot off the gas a little and conserve himself. He might win it this way.
But if we're talking about what will probably happen...Murray in 4.
But if Fed can't take the first set, then I say there's an 80% chance he'll lose. He just doesn't have the gas in the tank to definitively win a match in 4 after a bad start and absolutely not in 5. If he can take the first set, then Murray will collapse a little bit and Federer can take his foot off the gas a little and conserve himself. He might win it this way.
But if we're talking about what will probably happen...Murray in 4.
TheF1Bob
Banned
Just some random gif on the internet my friend. It's used on a lot of forums.
Same reaction as well. I thought, "WOW... that looks like Alan." :lol:
Jeffrey573639
Semi-Pro
If fh and serve are on Fed in 4
If ******** shows up, Muzza in straights
If ******** shows up, Muzza in straights
zagor
Bionic Poster
Eh, if Murray was a baby at the age of 23 then Fed certainly qualifies as being old/past his prime at the age of 31.
Also, leave the GOAT bait aside, I never said Fed was the greatest of all time.
Fed wasn't a multiple slam finalist and a top 4 player before 2003 so what exactly makes it a comparable situation?
But hey if you insist on no excuses policy that's fine by me, Fed got outplayed in all of his losses prior to 2003, will be outplayed if he loses to Murray in this SF but as a consequence that also he means he plain outplayed Murray in their 3 previous slam meetings.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Watching Fed vs Tsonga, I feel Djoko would have a field day breaking Fed's serve. A final vs Murray would be more competitive. So I'm torn. Part of me would prefer a competitive final. The other part is salivating at the prospect of another schooling of Fed in straights by Djoko at AO and an almost guarantee for the 3peat. Tough decision
I think I'll just cheer for a marathon 5 setter :twisted:
Relinquis
Hall of Fame
noted. i would love to Murray attack a bit against federer, to mix things up. But i really think it will be his grinding that will wear roger down. will be interesting to see what strategy(ies) he'll use.
What strategies/tactics/game-plan do you guys think he'll put into play?
Ginger ninja
Semi-Pro
That's no way to talk about mirka.
Prisoner of Birth
Banned
"Some actor"? He was the biggest star back in the day.
Prisoner of Birth
Banned
Watching Fed vs Tsonga, I feel Djoko would have a field day breaking Fed's serve. A final vs Murray would be more competitive. So I'm torn. Part of me would prefer a competitive final. The other part is salivating at the prospect of another schooling of Fed in straights by Djoko at AO and an almost guarantee for the 3peat. Tough decision
Eh? If you hate Federer (which you do), you should hope for him to lose in the semifinal. A final appearance > semifinal appearance even if he loses 6-0 6-0 6-0 in the final. Because, face it, head-to-head means jack, it's all about what championships you've won and how deep you made it into tournaments.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Meh, I honestly don't care about remembering the names of actors and actresses.
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Carsomyr
Legend
31-going-on-32 is a far way away from 25.
See above.
I fail to see why you're intentionally being obtuse. You don't think the amount of hours logged in those matches (not even counting the training, practice, etc.) has any impact on his future stock? This adage is cliche, but I might as well repeat it for the slower crowd:
It's not the years, it's the mileage.
He made the semis. One of four players in the entire field made up of the best 128 players in the world capable of playing. Whether he wins or not regardless of whatever fatigue he may or may not feel in a couple days, I think he's doing okay.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
My point was, each player matures differently. Fed was already a multiple slam champion, so he has better experience in handling finals.
Murray is slowly maturing /developing and might have definitely been overwhelmed in 2010.
Please stop comparing. If only Murray had the luxury of facing a mug like Mark Philippoussis in his first slam final appearance, he would have definitely won it!
Unfortunately he was facing a >14 time GS champion. People take time.....
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Watching Fed vs Tsonga, I feel Djoko would have a field day breaking Fed's serve. A final vs Murray would be more competitive. So I'm torn. Part of me would prefer a competitive final. The other part is salivating at the prospect of another schooling of Fed in straights by Djoko at AO and an almost guarantee for the 3peat. Tough decision
Me too... I want a freakin 5 setter, let the best player win! For me I don't like both...so it doesn't matter.
If fed comes through Djoker has advantage....but if Murray comes through Djoker stands a better support from the crowd. That won't happen if Fed is on the opposite of the net!
abmk
Bionic Poster
yeah, no you fail again ...
murray did bring his best against fed @ wimbledon 2012 and lost ....
anyways the final set wasn't as intense/tiring as stan-djok or the olympics match last year b/w fed/delpo ..... fed should recover ok ....
anyways murray was playing well @ the Olympics and might've won even if fed wasn't tired ... However the lopsidedness of the score was in major part because of the semi vs delpo ...
abmk
Bionic Poster
nah >> he's not nadal :twisted:
President
Legend
Watching Fed vs Tsonga, I feel Djoko would have a field day breaking Fed's serve. A final vs Murray would be more competitive. So I'm torn. Part of me would prefer a competitive final. The other part is salivating at the prospect of another schooling of Fed in straights by Djoko at AO and an almost guarantee for the 3peat. Tough decision
Mark my words, Federer will not lose to Djokovic in straight sets if they meet in the final. He will thrash him in 4 sets and send him crying back to Belgrade. You really think he is going to serve at 40% again in this tournament? His ground game has looked quite good so far, Tsonga was bashing the hell out of the ball yesterday and had a very good returning day. That, combined with Federer's abysmal serving made that match a 5 setter but overall I've been satisfied with Roger's form in this tournament. At least as good as Djokovic so far, IMO. That's more than can be said for their 2008 and 2011 AO matches.
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Yet you were comparing Murray from 2010 to Fed pre 2003 even though Murray was already a multiple slam finalist and top 4 player in 2010 while Fed didn't even have a single slam final to his name before 2003.
Yes, so?
You must have meant to say overwhelmed by the occasion? Yes he might have definitely been but then again Fed might be definitely way past his prime now and might definitely have trouble recovering from his 5 setter with Jo, yes?
I didn't compare them (not initially atleast), I expressed my disagreement with the notion that there should be no excuses offered (despite his age and mileage) for Fed's potential loss in SF of this year's AO but it's perfectly OK to excuse Fed's previous wins on the big stage over his SF opponent.
Yes, Murray has been unlucky in that regard.
That said, Philippoussis was no mug (I'm not gonna bother explaining why because I doubt you started following tennis before 2005).
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zagor
Bionic Poster
Novak actually handles losses (not losing during the match) pretty well (especially compared to the other members of the big 4) so I doubt he'd cry, also Novak's residence is MC, not Belgrade.
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
Federer has no chance against Epovac!
President
Legend
I know both of these, but that poster irritates me so much that I just wanted to get under her skin. Crying back to Monte Carlo doesn't have quite the same ring to it
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
zagor
Bionic Poster
agree to disagree on multiple points, but I will leave it here...lets move on!
Fine by me, Murderer matches are always hard to predict anyway, I just hope it's a good one.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
on HC and Grass, Murray since making his first slam final has lost to
Roddick (Fed had to beat him in 2003 in his first slam in the semis) Verdasco, Wawrinka, Cilic, so no certainty he would have beaten a "mug" like Mark (who only beat Sampras in 2 slams including the AO in Pete's prime in straight sets) or at least no certainty he'd have beaten Roddick who Fed had to go through -as we saw, despite beating A-Rod at Wimbledon as when Murray was very young, when it was the big match between them in the semis and finally a chance to make the final- Andy couldn't get it done.
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President
Legend
I really thought Murray might have Federer's number after running him close at Wimby and beating him at the Olympics, and then beating Lance at the USO. I thought Andy was going to become the dominant player but then Federer straight stetted him at the WTF so this match is difficult to predict. I think Fed will win in 4, hopefully 5 sets so we have a classic!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Never said otherwise. You're the one whining about age and tiredness. I think he's perfectly fine.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Why? A lot of the audience was cheering for Tsonga in the quarters. I'm sure Novak will have strong support, especially since a 3peat would be an exceptional feat.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Onehandedbackhand
Professional
Ginger ninja
Semi-Pro
He's not getting past Murray. Andy's been at the hgh and will take down lance in the final. 6-4, 4-6, 7-5, 6-7, 165-163 breaking the match duration record by 2 days and 12 hrs.....closely followed by both players running the Melbourne marathon, cycling to Adelaide and swimming to Singapore. Suspicious? No....
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Failed what? I'm not trying to pass a test lol.
Of course Murray brang his best at WIM12 because he lost. Just like Nadal brang his best at WIM06 and WIM07 and just like Novak brang his best in every single slam loss to Fed as well. Whenever these guys play their best, as long as Fed is at his best he wins because he is almighty conqueror of tennis.
Federer has NEVER brang his best to Nadal or Novak when he lost to them in the majors...
Which is what I said.
So Murray brang his best at WIM and lost, but at Olympics was only "playing well" yet smashed the same guy that beat him at the exact venue recently. LOL.
Common sense tells you that Murray brang his best at the Olympics but after they closed the roof at WIM to give Fed the advantage, Murray got distracted by the changing conditions, not to mention the pressure he was under playing his first WIM final. Murray's level was clearly higher at the Olympics. What's your excuse for Federer at 08 RG? did he have a 4 hour match before facing Nadal? He got owned on the big stage for the second time. That scoreline was due to Murray playing in god mode and Fed couldn't go with him.
Onehandedbackhand
Professional
He's going to beat Murray. No question
Prisoner of Birth
Banned
I LOLed :lol:
Seventeen
Rookie
Yeah, not sure what that guy's branging on about
abmk
Bionic Poster
I meant your statement was a fail ...That was obvious ..
not quite his very best, wimbledon 2008 was the closest ... and I said nadal was at his best in Wimbledon 2007, never mentioned about 2006 ..that part of it is garbage just like this part of your post ....
change to murray played at his best at the Olympics as well ...
lol, wut ? federer wasn't playing well off the ground at the Olympics... it was mainly his serve that put him into the finals ... then he was tired due to the semi and even his serve wasn't working that well in the finals ....
He had 24 winners to 31 UEs in that match ... That is downright horrible by his standards
regarding the wimbledon final, the match had turned on its head before the roof closed ...federer had taken set 2 , comfortably held in game 1 of 3rd set and was up 40-0 in his 2nd service game
murray played at a very similar level in the Wimbledon final and at the Olympics ...
excuse for RG 2008 ? no excuse .... he was playing badly ... ( his form was pretty patchy before the finals as well ) ... and I already exposed your pitiful trolling attempt when you said federer was playing anywhere near decent ( by bringing in stats from the RG 2008 website which were plainly wrong) ...
the winners column there was actually the no of points won on serve for each player ( federer - 31, nadal - 46 ) .
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