You be the judge (What did Federer say to Murray??)

Federer's mistake, let the moment get to him. But I'm sure he felt sorry and regretted it, as evidenced by the extra-warm handshake and chest-pat at the end. That's good enough for me.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Federer's mistake, let the moment get to him. But I'm sure he felt sorry and regretted it, as evidenced by the extra-warm handshake and chest-pat at the end. That's good enough for me.

Agree, Fed seemed to have been out of the line there, heat of the moment thing but that still doesn't excuse it.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I have no sound unfortunately, but it didn't look friendly, and I have it taped, so I haven't seen it live yet, and you can never trust the match threads. Having said all that, what did Murray do? Did he try to go at Federer's head again or something? Just want honest clarification before I make a snap judgment.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Possibly said "F*** it up"

Love the way Murray laughed it off tho, if that was what he said then Andy knew in that moment he knew he was not only the better player but also the bigger man.
 
I have no sound unfortunately, but it didn't look friendly, and I have it taped, so I haven't seen it live yet, and you can never trust the match threads. Having said all that, what did Murray do? Did he try to go at Federer's head again or something? Just want honest clarification before I make a snap judgment.

Murray did nothing wrong. Federer was just irked that Murray's lack of moment cost him the point. Murray probably didn't move because he was doubtful of the call and perhaps considered challenging it. I'm just guessing here.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Really?

I like Murray more than I used to, but to say he doesn't "stoop to such levels" is absurd.

It was bad form on Fed's behalf, though.

What?

He shouts to himself when he's anoyed but never at other players. Hell id love to know what all the other players think of Murray, id wager money that he's one of the most liked players in Tennis.
 

psv255

Professional
While it's more likely that Fed did swear, contextually "the first time" would be appropriate since Murray passed him on his BH side for the first time, and he pointed to the left side of his face... Murray just seemed to be confused.
 
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JRAJ1988

Guest
Tommy Haas doesn't like Murray much after during the 2012 Halle tournament when Haas said "Murray feigns injuries, everyone in the locker room knows that"
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
What?

He shouts to himself when he's anoyed but never at other players. Hell id love to know what all the other players think of Murray, id wager money that he's one of the most liked players in Tennis.
Yes, instead he aims shots RIGHT at them without as much as apologising. Once here and the other time was Wimbledon. Such hypocrites you guys are.
 

Slayer

New User
From the interview:

Q. You spoke earlier in the week about the good manners that exist between the players. There definitely seemed to be a bit of feeling between the two of you after 6 5 in the fourth. Can you talk about that. Was there an exchange between you?
ROGER FEDERER: I mean, it wasn't a big deal anyway. We just looked at each other one time. That's okay, I think, in a three and a half hour match. We were just checking each other out for bit.
No, I mean, that wasn't a big deal for me. I hope not for him.
 

Fedex

Legend
Possibly said "F*** it up"

Love the way Murray laughed it off tho, if that was what he said then Andy knew in that moment he knew he was not only the better player but also the bigger man.

Why shouldn't Federer be allowed to let off some steam?
I like it. Good to see he's human.
And "F**k it up" is funny in relation to Murray because he did make a complete dog's bollocks of the point, the challenge and everything.
In fact that wasted challenge possibly cost Murray the set because he had none left so Federer was completely right.
He did F**k it up.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
Look, I'm not about to start hating on Murray, because he was simply better than Federer today and Roger showed a lack of class late in the fourth set. But to suggest than Murray's body of work in the sportsmanship department is better than Fed's is ridiculous.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
What?

He shouts to himself when he's anoyed but never at other players. Hell id love to know what all the other players think of Murray, id wager money that he's one of the most liked players in Tennis.

Well he also has a habit of clutching at body parts when he's losing or the momentum is against him, but he's not really injured. He did so in this match. I wouldn't exactly condone that. Remember RG 2012?. Murray deserved this win, thoroughly outplayed Roger honestly, but he's not immune to pulling a few stunts. Neither is Federer, as was witnessed when he shouted at Murray.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Look, I'm not about to start hating on Murray, because he was simply better than Federer today and Roger showed a lack of class late in the fourth set. But to suggest than Murray's body of work in the sportsmanship department is better than Fed's is ridiculous.

I dont think many of us are argueing that, we're just defending Murray.

I did always love the respect Federer showed to Murray in the Olympic final. He knew that was a huge thing for andy after what happened in wimbly and he was proud to see him get a "big" title that he deserved.
 
J

JRAJ1988

Guest
You at the fairground and they have that game when you whack the worm....Murray was the whacker and Federer was the worm who no matter what still pulled out 2 sets even though he was getting outplayed.
 
J

JRAJ1988

Guest
You at the fairground and they have that game when you whack the worm....Murray was the whacker and Federer was the worm who no matter what still pulled out 2 sets even though he was getting outplayed.

*you know*
 

Fedex

Legend
I think Murray's over competitiveness annoys Federer challenging for everything in sight and berating himself too much.
I can understand Federer's point of view because it annoys me too.
And, as I said, I support Murray.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
I'm a Murray fan and I agree with this.

I think he's gotten better in the last few years, though. Haven't seen him scream at a ballboy in awhile. That was what annoyed me the most.

I dont think many of us[/bp] are argueing that, we're just defending Murray.

I did always love the respect Federer showed to Murray in the Olympic final. He knew that was a huge thing for andy after what happened in wimbly and he was proud to see him get a "big" title that he deserved.


Not many, but enough to provoke a response. I'm not defending Fed's action in this match, but the reductive logic on a singular outburst is astounding from some of Murray's fans.
 

Fedex

Legend
I think he's gotten better in the last few years, though. Haven't seen him scream at a ballboy in awhile. That was what annoyed me the most.

Not many, but enough to provoke a response. I'm not defending Fed's action in this match, but the reductive logic on a singular outburst is astounding from some of Murray's fans.

How do you know they're Murray fans? You can't generalise like that. Just because someone criticises Federer makes them a Murray fan?
That's simplistic and unfair.

On the ball boy incident I'd be amazed if Murray did that but then again everyone has their moments.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
I really like the guy more for it.
Good to see an expression of passion and humanity.

Yeah it was great. Different languages too. "Allez!", "Come on!", "Wowowowowowwow!", "cursing in german", "arguing with the umpire in English", "Cursing at Murray".
 

Fedex

Legend
Yeah it was great. Different languages too. "Allez!", "Come on!", "Wowowowowowwow!", "cursing in german", "arguing with the umpire in English", "Cursing at Murray".

He's even good at cursing. That thing he said to Murray was hilarious.
 

RF20Lennon

Legend
I dont know as he ages fed is getting more and more agitated. I miss the old fed when he never showed any emotion and had the poker face no matter what he missed or made. But hes still the most popular player in the world i guess
 
I dont know as he ages fed is getting more and more agitated. I miss the old fed when he never showed any emotion and had the poker face no matter what he missed or made. But hes still the most popular player in the world i guess

It must be frustrating, going up against these young machines on slow courts and missing shots he'd have hit with ease in his prime. You know you feel it too. It's all right, everybody has emotions.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
How do you know they're Murray fans? You can't generalise like that. Just because someone criticises Federer makes them a Murray fan?
That's simplistic and unfair.

The OP is ostensibly a Murray fan, who claimed Murray wouldn't "sink that low" or some such rubbish. You can criticize Fed all you like for this instance and I wouldn't disagree with you, but holding Murray on some kind of virtuous sportsmanship pedestal in comparison is a bit comical.

On the ball boy incident I'd be amazed if Murray did that but then again everyone has their moments.

He didn't get the finger courtesy of a ballboy at the US Open for nothing. :)
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
From Murray's presser :

Classy Murray is classy :)

Q. How surprised were you by what he shouted when you were at the net at 6 5 in the fourth? You had a funny look on your face at that point.
ANDY MURRAY: I mean, I wasn't that surprised. I mean, stuff like that happens daily in tennis matches. You know, in sport, the stuff that some people say on football pitches and in basketball and all sorts of sports. I mean, it was very, very mild in comparison to what happens in other sports. It's just one of those things.



Q. Did it rattle you at all?
ANDY MURRAY: No. I think it didn't rattle me. I think he raised his game, you know, and that's what happens. Sometimes guys need to get, you know, emotion into the match.
He definitely raised his level and played in that game I think he hit two balls onto the line and was extremely aggressive after that.



Q. Can you repeat what he said?
ANDY MURRAY: It's not relevant what he said. You know, it doesn't really matter. It's something that happens, like I say, all the time on tennis courts, in sport, all the time.
Especially when it's a one on one sort of individual combat. It's not relevant. There's no hard feelings.



Q. Was it a word that we might struggle to get in our newspapers?
ANDY MURRAY: It's not relevant what was said, you know. I'm sure Roger won't talk about it and I have no interest in discussing it either, because, like I say, it happens all the time.
People will want to make a big deal of it and it isn't really a big deal.


From Sexi's presser :

Q. You spoke earlier in the week about the good manners that exist between the players. There definitely seemed to be a bit of feeling between the two of you after 6 5 in the fourth. Can you talk about that. Was there an exchange between you?
ROGER FEDERER: I mean, it wasn't a big deal anyway. We just looked at each other one time. That's okay, I think, in a three and a half hour match. We were just checking each other out for bit.
No, I mean, that wasn't a big deal for me. I hope not for him.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think many will sympathize with Murray in the event that he was on the receiving end of some unpleasant words. The boy has been shouting obscenities for a years and years. :)
 

raging

Professional
Lol that is just obnoxious. Reminds me of Roddick. He was particularly good at talking trash from half court.

oh c'mon sid, it is all part of the game.
When the boys fire up it shows
they care.

Even better was the closing of ranks on what was said...makes it even better.:)

Rogi & Muzza are legends for having a crack, saying well played & then that's
it.
 

Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
oh c'mon sid, it is all part of the game.
When the boys fire up it shows
they care.

Even better was the closing of ranks on what was said...makes it even better.:)

Rogi & Muzza are legends for having a crack, saying well played & then that's
it.

I know. I'm not going to grab a pitchfork and throw a riot over it. It does happen a lot in sports and the OP is a clown for hilariously claiming that Murray is above such behavior. Not surprising, all rounder has been taking shots at Federer for the past 2 years.
 
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