KillerServe
Banned
Sorry, but Nadal doesn't get credit for missing tournaments. Missing a tournament is tantamount to losing in the first round. Djokovic really does serve the #1 spot this year.
Nadal about to slam the door on Djoko
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Sorry, but Nadal doesn't get credit for missing tournaments. Missing a tournament is tantamount to losing in the first round. Djokovic really does serve the #1 spot this year.
LazyNinja19
Banned
Nadal didn't goof it up as much.
But Djoker has been on a tear since USO loss. He hasn't even lost a freaking match! He seems to be on track to do what ATP described as an outside chance!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Judge for yourselves:
Rafael Nadal
Runner-up at Vina del Mar
CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
CHAMPION at Acapulco
CHAMPION at Indian Wells
Runner-up at Monte Carlo
CHAMPION at Barcelona
CHAMPION at Madrid
CHAMPION at Rome
CHAMPION at French Open
R128 loss at Wimbledon
CHAMPION at Montreal
CHAMPION at Cincinnati
CHAMPION at US Open
Runner-up at Beijing
Semi Final loss at Shanghai
Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals still to come
Novak Djokovic
CHAMPION at Australian Open
CHAMPION at Dubai
Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
R16 loss at Miami
CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
R32 loss at Madrid
Quarter Final loss at Rome
Semi Final loss at French Open
Runner-up at Wimbledon
Semi Final loss at Montreal
Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
Runner-up at US Open
CHAMPION at Beijing
CHAMPION at Shanghai
In Final of Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come
Head-to-Head in 2013
Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
Rafael Nadal
Runner-up at Vina del Mar
CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
CHAMPION at Acapulco
CHAMPION at Indian Wells
Runner-up at Monte Carlo
CHAMPION at Barcelona
CHAMPION at Madrid
CHAMPION at Rome
CHAMPION at French Open
R128 loss at Wimbledon
CHAMPION at Montreal
CHAMPION at Cincinnati
CHAMPION at US Open
Runner-up at Beijing
Semi Final loss at Shanghai
Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals still to come
Novak Djokovic
CHAMPION at Australian Open
CHAMPION at Dubai
Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
R16 loss at Miami
CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
R32 loss at Madrid
Quarter Final loss at Rome
Semi Final loss at French Open
Runner-up at Wimbledon
Semi Final loss at Montreal
Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
Runner-up at US Open
CHAMPION at Beijing
CHAMPION at Shanghai
In Final of Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come
Head-to-Head in 2013
Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
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LazyNinja19
Banned
Man, I agree with you.
But Rafa has 0 points from 2 Grand slams, and they are now costing him too much.
Of course Djoker can't be blamed, because Rafa skipped one, & lost in 1st rd in other.
But let's be positive for WTF. May Rafa cruise ahead there, and do what he needs to do!
Chico
Banned
Lol at Nadal fans trying to determine rankings not based on ATP points, but their personal preference.
Anyway the only reason Nadal is ahead of Djokvic at the moment is:
i.e. points from mickey mouse tournaments no other top player played.
While Djokovic is way ahead in points from slams (5210 > 4010).
All this proves my signature right.
Anyway the only reason Nadal is ahead of Djokvic at the moment is:
i.e. points from mickey mouse tournaments no other top player played.
While Djokovic is way ahead in points from slams (5210 > 4010).
All this proves my signature right.
Chico
Banned
Nadal is ahead mere 550 points:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx
900 > 550
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Singles.aspx
official ATP ranking week of October 28th said:
900 > 550
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
Mickey mouse? Remind me which player has won 2 majors and 5 masters series titles this year? :twisted:
Chico
Banned
That does not change the fact that 900 > 550 and without mickey mouse points Nadal would still be #2.
viduka0101
Hall of Fame
come on, this is a thread about the year end no.1 not the atp rankings, in two days the rankings will equal the atp race
and Nadal has played 1 tournament more than Djokovic as you've shown and missed a grand slam, the combined points from those 3 tournaments carry half of the points of a grand slam victory
in the same way you say that Nadal is ahead of Djokovic because of Mickey Mouse tournaments I can say that it's because Djokovic didn't beat him at Roland Garos or US Open or even Montreal because every one of those matches ending with a different result means Djokovic is still no. 1
why not say it;Djokovic is not no.1 because he lost at the US Open,Roland Garros and Montreal to the current world no.1
powerangle
Legend
Well I guess Whiskey had it right all along, and is currently drinking the tears of Backspin.
Nothing wrong with incorrect predictions, but Backspin was just SO SURE that Nadal had it in the bag and was bordering on arrogance.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Not quite. It's true that Novak has more points in slams but Rafa has more points in masters. Masters are not exactly mickey mouse tournaments. + winning multiple slam titles trumps overall # of points.
I'm not sure why people are arguing who deserves #1. #1 is determined by an objective formula, so whoever has more points deserves it by virtue of everything balancing out in the end. Nadal has 2 slams, so he will probably get it, but Djokovic with his greater consistency is making it close.
#1 is about consistency, so if there exists what you consider to be an anomaly, it should balance throughout history as far as total weeks are concerned.
#1 is about consistency, so if there exists what you consider to be an anomaly, it should balance throughout history as far as total weeks are concerned.
vernonbc
Legend
Djokovic had greater consistency? Who knew? Rafa has played 16, made the finals of 13 of the first 14 tournaments he played and won 10 of them and reached the semis of the last two.
Djokovic has played 15 tournaments, reached the finals of 8, and won 5 of those. He's reached the semis of 3, the quarters of 2, one R16 and one R32.
Seems to me that it's Rafa who's been the model of consistency this year.
PrinceMoron
Legend
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
People seem to forget that Djoko has to win all his matches over the next 8/9 days. I can't that happening - not so much to do with Djoko and a lot more to do with scheduling. I can't see a guy winning Paris and rocking up to London with no break and winning there too.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Wow, insecure much:twisted:?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Dude, he had a 2-week break before Paris and he's only playing 2 tournaments in a row + 2 more matches in Davis Cup. I don't see how he's overscheduling.
Now let's talk about Nadal playing 6 out of 8 weeks during the clay court season.
vernonbc
Legend
This. There is so much talk about what Nadal has to do but really, the subject should be what Djokovic has to do. I'm with you that I don't think he's going to win out for the rest of the season.
LazyNinja19
Banned
That was also the case for Novak since USO. But he has managed to win 17 matches since then, defending all his China points, and now winning Paris.
He really is looking well on track atm.
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monfed
Guest
Nadal deserves YE#1 based on the fact that he's won 2 slams this year, can't argue with that. However,he's had his fair share of luck.
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xan
Hall of Fame
but he totally bombed out in other 2.
whatever, who gets it gets it, i dont care that much about it.
can see nole winning everything on his path till the end, but i cant see nadal losing 2 rr matches at wtf, so in the end he should secure his no1 either way.
M
monfed
Guest
Well he didn't participate at AO so you can't hold that against him. Wimby was a shock exit but it wasn't as big a shock as it was in 2012.
And he did something not even his biggest fans would've imagined: The fall treble(even Fed and Novak haven't done it), that makes him a deserving YE#1 in my book. Plus 2 slams>1 slam, realise that this guy came from a 7 month break and pretty much annihilated the field on outdoor HC.
But you're right , no way Nadal goes 0-3 at the WTF in his group so the YE#1 is just a formality.
vernonbc said:
I meant in slams. Really, why else would Djokovic be close to the #1 ranking? He hasn't been as good, but he hasn't been as bad either in terms of results at the tournaments rewarding the most points. I.e. more consistency.
Of course Nadal deserves all-time credit, up there with Djokovic 2011, for pulling off the 5 masters.
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LazyNinja19
Banned
This is the first humane comment from you which I've read, towards Rafa.
I must say I'm pleasantly surprised.
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
I don't think Djoko is over scheduling - just crazy the way these tournaments are back to back and there is no break! Normally after a Sunday win you get a break until at least Wednesday - also the caliber of player would be far less than Federer on the Wednesday.
I just think the break is too short and it might be asking a bit much of Djoko. If there was a week break I would strongly favour Djoko to win the YEC.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Here's the current situation:
Rafael Nadal
Runner-up at Vina del Mar
CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
CHAMPION at Acapulco
CHAMPION at Indian Wells
Runner-up at Monte Carlo
CHAMPION at Barcelona
CHAMPION at Madrid
CHAMPION at Rome
CHAMPION at French Open
R128 loss at Wimbledon
CHAMPION at Montreal
CHAMPION at Cincinnati
CHAMPION at US Open
Runner-up at Beijing
Semi Final loss at Shanghai
Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals still to come
Novak Djokovic
CHAMPION at Australian Open
CHAMPION at Dubai
Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
R16 loss at Miami
CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
R32 loss at Madrid
Quarter Final loss at Rome
Semi Final loss at French Open
Runner-up at Wimbledon
Semi Final loss at Montreal
Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
Runner-up at US Open
CHAMPION at Beijing
CHAMPION at Shanghai
CHAMPION at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come
Head-to-Head in 2013
Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
Rafael Nadal
Runner-up at Vina del Mar
CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
CHAMPION at Acapulco
CHAMPION at Indian Wells
Runner-up at Monte Carlo
CHAMPION at Barcelona
CHAMPION at Madrid
CHAMPION at Rome
CHAMPION at French Open
R128 loss at Wimbledon
CHAMPION at Montreal
CHAMPION at Cincinnati
CHAMPION at US Open
Runner-up at Beijing
Semi Final loss at Shanghai
Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals still to come
Novak Djokovic
CHAMPION at Australian Open
CHAMPION at Dubai
Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
R16 loss at Miami
CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
R32 loss at Madrid
Quarter Final loss at Rome
Semi Final loss at French Open
Runner-up at Wimbledon
Semi Final loss at Montreal
Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
Runner-up at US Open
CHAMPION at Beijing
CHAMPION at Shanghai
CHAMPION at Paris Indoors
World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come
Head-to-Head in 2013
Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
W
Wim
Guest
If Djoker ends up being #1 this year, I think it says alot about the ranking system...
I dont really care about who is #1, but winning tournaments, GS!!
I dont really care about who is #1, but winning tournaments, GS!!
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Hmm...
2 Majors vs 1 Major
5 Masters 1000 vs 3 Masters 1000
0 YEC vs 1 YEC (hypothetical)
10 titles vs 7 titles (hypothetical)
Nah... To me Nadal is the number 1 player of this year even if Nole wins the WTFinals and DC.
Who is.. the number 1 player in the world this year?
I mean.. who WON?
Who is the MAN?
Who really believes it would be Djokovic should he just about snatch it (#1)?
Hands up.
2 Majors vs 1 Major
5 Masters 1000 vs 3 Masters 1000
0 YEC vs 1 YEC (hypothetical)
10 titles vs 7 titles (hypothetical)
Nah... To me Nadal is the number 1 player of this year even if Nole wins the WTFinals and DC.
Who is.. the number 1 player in the world this year?
I mean.. who WON?
Who is the MAN?
Who really believes it would be Djokovic should he just about snatch it (#1)?
Hands up.
Omega_7000
Legend
Yeah have to agree...Novak lost the tournaments where it mattered the most...FO & USO.
Chico
Banned
Disagree. Djokovic is the best player this year and fully deserves #1 much more than Nadal if he wins WTC.
Just two stats to prove you wrong.
- Slam points: Djokovic 5120, Nadal 4010
- Mickey Mouse points: Djokovic 0, Nadal 900
xan
Hall of Fame
well i dont hold it against him, im just mentioning that for 2 g's he was none existant. take that as you will.
if he finishes ye#1 its full deserved, if he doesnt, well, no one gifted djokovic anything.
so its all semantics..
whatever happens, it goes down to the wire. i like it : )
edit: and just put that clown on ignore, i didnt have to read his bs comment but people had to requote it..
also nadal doesnt have to go 0-3, if he goes 1-3 and doesnt qualify for semi, i think he can lose it. as things stand now i think he has to win at least 2 rr matches. considering his group, i srsly cant see him not winning all 3 if need be.
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LazyNinja19
Banned
Chico
Banned
No hate, I give credit where credit is due. For example Nadal won FO 2008 and 2010 fair and square, no complaints.
However, FO 2013 not really.
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Chico
Banned
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Djokovic the second man had his chances against Nadal the first man to be the actual best player of the year by beating him in the RG semis (5 sets) and the US Open final (didn't even go 5 and in Nole's wheelhouse of hard courts).
Looks like Nadal will manage to blitz Nole despite missing about 1/4 of the season.
Looks like Nadal will manage to blitz Nole despite missing about 1/4 of the season.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It really shouldn't be that hard for her to post without 3rd degree butthurt more often.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
LazyNinja19
Banned
How big is that cut? :lol: does it burn all day or just when you're reminded of Nadal?
Apparently, it's a 3rd degree burn :twisted:
Chico
Banned
If Nadal wins two matches on WTF he is #1 regardless of what Novak does.
If Nadal does not win two matches on WTF, than Djokovic needs to win WTF with max number of points (1500) and win both his matches in the DC final vs Czech Republic the week after.
Pretty much lock for Nadal (thanks to his 900 mickey mouse points I must add), especially considering the cakewalk he got in WTF. Not sure why are Nadal fans so scared and insecure.
