Maximagq
Banned
I personally think I am in the 5.0 range (I am the one hander).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90qW1nGzZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90qW1nGzZ8
What NTRP is this?
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KineticChain
Hall of Fame
did this match take place before he was playing at UCLA? players usually improve pretty quickly after joining a D1 program. and i'd say you're definitely in the 5.0 range.
dizzlmcwizzl
Hall of Fame
You would the best in my 4.5 league ... So that makes you either a 5.0 + here or a decent 3.5 in NorCal.
But the guy you are playing is very good indeed.
But the guy you are playing is very good indeed.
Who mentioned 3.5?
If looks could kill.
I"m saying, if you had a serve, you'd be 5.5. What the serve is worth is subject to debate.
Also, YOU posted your best vid, against a player who latter became No.4 for UCLA.
Might not mean that much, that vid. Before RalieghZalameda graduated high school, I was beating him more often than him beating me, and I'd go farther both the Q's than he did. His freshman year, he played No.4 for CanadaCollege, admittedly not in the class of UCLA, but a respected tennis college back then.
I was 4.5 officially.
If looks could kill.
I"m saying, if you had a serve, you'd be 5.5. What the serve is worth is subject to debate.
Also, YOU posted your best vid, against a player who latter became No.4 for UCLA.
Might not mean that much, that vid. Before RalieghZalameda graduated high school, I was beating him more often than him beating me, and I'd go farther both the Q's than he did. His freshman year, he played No.4 for CanadaCollege, admittedly not in the class of UCLA, but a respected tennis college back then.
I was 4.5 officially.
Maximagq
Banned
Raliegh Zalameda, is he the father of Riza Zalameda who played tennis for UCLA around 2005ish?
There is no real functional rating past 5.0 so the anything above that seems pretty subjective. From what I saw in my area the guys that were competitive in open tournaments (meaning ranked in top 10/20) and had real shot at winning tournaments got bumped to 5.5.
Watching video is not very accurate but I think you are clearly a 5.0. I don't necessarily think you would dominate 4.5 though as there seem to be a set of people out of level every year.
Watching video is not very accurate but I think you are clearly a 5.0. I don't necessarily think you would dominate 4.5 though as there seem to be a set of people out of level every year.
so you are suggesting that even though he is having a fine match with soon-to-be UCLA bound player, he is pretty much an everyday 4.5 level player? ok, let's just say I'm going to disagree....
I didn't say he was an everyday 4.5 player just wouldn't necessarily dominate. There are quite a few guys that I saw that were clearly not 4.5s but were playing at that level which includes someone who is currently undefeated in USTA play as well as an ex-D1 player from a couple years back.
By the way, I took 7 games off of a strong 5 star 18 year old player as well as partially held my own against a current D1 player. I actually had a chance in the second set against both of them when the balls slowed down. I am ranked 5.0 now but would consider myself a strong 4.5 player.
at any level you have three groups of players:
1) struggling at a givel level - i.e. those that lose more than 1/3 of matches
2) everyday player at a given level - i.e. those that are at about 50% winning wise
3) dominating at a given level - i.e. those that win over 2/3 of their matches.
I'm fairly certain that OP would win well over 2/3 of matches at 4.5 level. In other words, he would dominate at 4.5 level.
Are they computer rated at 4.5? If so - who cares where they played years ago?
what does that mean? If you are computer ranked 5.0 than you are 5.0. Whether you 'consider' yourself 4.0 or ATP pro - you are what computer says you are.
Maximagq
Banned
We differ on what dominate means. I take it as winning all matches easily. I can't tell from video but believe the OP would win the vast majority of his matches.
Yes, they were computer rated. The C rating was not necessarily accurate at the time for a couple of reasons. They are now 5.0 players.
It means I am probably a strong 4.5 who happened to get a 5.0 rating and likely will be a 4.5 next year. I am older, out of shape and have 2 small kids and a job. My playing level has a huge variance depending on how much I get on the court and my fitness level at the time.
tennisgotomarket
Rookie
Hi -
You are definitely a 5.0+. But focus on your academics. Learn programming or something. Most importantly, remember that most 5.5s are struggling to make ends meet teaching tennis.
It's a very very tough world out there.
Good luck!!!
Maximagq
Banned
Thank you! I'm actually a CSE major so I am learning programming right now
C++ at the moment
Roger Wawrinka
Professional
Hey Matt, did you ever think about playing tennis at UCLA or a smaller school?
Maximagq
Banned
I was looking at schools like Carnegie Mellon and UCSD but I didn't receive enough financial aid from those schools. I'm not good enough to play for UCLA but I am on the club team. Looked at other smaller schools like Allegheny, Stephens, and some others but UCLA had the best academic program and financial package for me.
Roger Wawrinka
Professional
Nice! I bet the club team is a lot of fun! You were looking to go to college all the way in Pittsburgh? Too cold lol! jk
Maximagq
Banned
CMU has an excellent CS program and I did get in and could play on the team but it was too expensive (44k vs 28k per year at UCLA), plus the weather like you mentioned. The club team at UCLA is very fun and I'm having a great time! Hopefully I qualify for one of the 4 spots going to Nationals at Tucson. That would be awesome!
Roger Wawrinka
Professional
Yeah that's a big price difference. My sister went to Tucson for nationals one year. Hope you make it!
Maximagq
Banned
Yes thank you! Are you in college? Maybe we can set up a hit if you are in the Westwood area!
Roger Wawrinka
Professional
I'm actually a sophomore in highschool. Would love to hit sometime (not to sound cocky but I think we'd have a pretty good match) but I live in the Santa Barbara area
. But if I'm ever down that way I'll let you know!
Roger Wawrinka
Professional
Heard of Blake before but never met him. Probably too old for me to know.
goober
Legend
3.5 GOAT in NYC.
About 2 levels lower than leeD 30 years ago.
4.0 self rate in certain leagues in Texas.
All kidding aside, you look 5.0 range. Play some open tournies and see how you do.
anubis
Hall of Fame
NTRP ratings are relative to the rest of the competition. You can't say that you are or are not any particular level until you've played that level.
What's your record against 4.5C players?
What's your record against 5.0C players?
Whichever has the better w/l ratio, that's the one you should choose.
If you don't have a w/l ratio against either of those players, then you need to play those levels and find out.
Or, ignore all of us and just self-rate at 5.0 and enter a local NTRP open tournament and see how you fare. If you lose to 4.5s, then you over-estimated your rating. If you beat 4.5s and lost to 5.0s, then you're right where you belong.
Maximagq
Banned
I don't have an NTRP rating b/c I played in the juniors. I would say Marina is a 4.5, Kaiser is around 4.5-5.0, Andy Chang and Brian Su are 5.5/Open level players. I'm right in between Kaiser and Andy Chang/Brian Su types, so I would say 5.0 is a fair estimate, but you're right that I should play in one of these tournaments to find out. I was thinking of maybe entering a Men's Open during the summer when I'm not too busy with school.
RoachTennis
New User
In North Carolina maybe mid level 4.5? It's incredible if that's 5.0 in CA cause it's certainly not here.
For the record, I think he is most likely a 5.0 but neither of these criteria would necessarily make him one.
One guy who has one a huge number of 4.5 tournaments in my area is still rated 4.5 although in his case he shouldn't be. There are also weaker open tournaments or easy draws. The only way to truly be rated 5.0 is to get that rating from the computer and really I think playing leagues is a requirement.
justinmadison
Semi-Pro
Most people on this board underestimate the ability of junior players. This kid is #61 in CA on tennisrecruiting.net for his class. The #60 kid is playing D1 tennis and #63 is playing for the #1 ranked D3 school. According to the self-rate guidelines both of these make you a mandatory 5.5 until you are 31.
We have a couple of 5.0’s in our club who were talking it up before the club championship. All of them were beaten by kids in high school …. One guy was taken out by a sophomore.
We have a couple of 5.0’s in our club who were talking it up before the club championship. All of them were beaten by kids in high school …. One guy was taken out by a sophomore.
Gotta consider....
Most high school male graduates are still growing, still filling IN, still getting stronger. Most peak around 20, or even 22.
No matter how trained, a young player doesn't have the experience, doesn't have the the knowledge, to compete at a high level against older players of the same caliber.
Note how there are NO young up and coming pros who can challenge the established 25-32 year olds.
I think, in YOUR OBSERVATION in your locale, the results are as you say.
But, in other locales, most older (20+ year old) 4.5's can demolish most of the 16 year olds, no matter their ranking. Gotta consider, most 4.5's WERE playing for their colleges, AND their high schools, but have grown stronger, bigger, and have more experience.
Most high school male graduates are still growing, still filling IN, still getting stronger. Most peak around 20, or even 22.
No matter how trained, a young player doesn't have the experience, doesn't have the the knowledge, to compete at a high level against older players of the same caliber.
Note how there are NO young up and coming pros who can challenge the established 25-32 year olds.
I think, in YOUR OBSERVATION in your locale, the results are as you say.
But, in other locales, most older (20+ year old) 4.5's can demolish most of the 16 year olds, no matter their ranking. Gotta consider, most 4.5's WERE playing for their colleges, AND their high schools, but have grown stronger, bigger, and have more experience.
justinmadison
Semi-Pro
LOL, it's a small world. My son Jared Madison played his freshman year at DP with Sean Handley.
Maximagq
Banned
Are your 5.0 players like John Isner? Kidding aside, my highest ranking was 314 in the country and 63 in California in tennis recruiting so idk how that translates to adults, I'll take your word for it I guess since I have no adult results to show for.
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Maximagq
Banned
Oh nice haha. Have I met your son before at a junior tournament? Is he in college now?
