AngieB
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Creepy, isn't it?I'm not familiar with this reference, but I feel a little frightened and disturbed
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AngieB
How many slams does Serena need to be the best ever?
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Well, 'tis the season!
I looked it up and it's an Agatha Christie movie, so I had to stop looking because I hate spoilers! PDJ is this a movie I should care about seeing?
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PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Well, 'tis the season!
I looked it up and it's an Agatha Christie movie, so I had to stop looking because I hate spoilers! PDJ is this a movie I should care about seeing?
It's a great film. Very camp, brilliant actors.
The line is actually very funny, delivered from one rather marvelous British actress to another.
Discussing their former past as chorus girls:
Diana Rigg: I could always get my legs higher than you
Maggie Smith: And wider, dear.
Not creepy at all. But good to know Grandma thinks so, given her well- travelled cosmopolitan point of view.....
PDJ
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Rigg, one of three Avengers actresses that were also Bond girls. Although, Dame Diana's character had the dubious honour of being Mrs Bond and being killed! And Shriver married the actor playing Bond - 5 degrees of separatio.........
Evil under the sun is a great film with a great twist- although there are many versions. You could say its been done to death...
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I'm curious if anyone in this forum seriously thinks Chris or Martina were able to do Serena's open-legged, handstand after winning their 18th Grand slam singles titles. I am amazed at her upper-body strength. Girls are so much stronger these days.
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AngieB
I'm not sure Evert would want to. And Navratilova could probably do it with one hand. Probably still could given how fit she looks.
And yes, SW is exceptionally strong. What a strong woman she is.
The GOAT is a subjective mythical title so it can never really be fact. I saw Navratilova, Every and Steffi play dozens of times each and Serena is better than all of them. She hits too hard off BOTH wings. Her Serve is leaps and bounds better and her movement is very good.
Her other advantage is Serena gets up to play the best players no matter how she was playing otherwise.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
And one day a player who is better than Serena will come along. This player will hit harder off both wings than her. Her serve will be leaps and bounds better and her movement will be very good, perhaps even better. She may not win as many titles as Serena did, but she will have taken the game to the next level. In that sense she'll be better than Serena.
Very true.
Goat is subjective but career achievements are not subjective. You can only go by player's accomplishments to determine who's greater. And right now Serena is still behind Graf, Martina and Chris.
Serena hit harder and serve harder because she's using the modern Wilson Blade 104, unlike Chris who uses a heavy wooden racket.
I've already mentioned it in this post. to be fair
Djokovic2011
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LMAO, this thread will never die!! :lol:
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in terms of peak level, its possible serena is already there.
but she still needs to go 20+ in slams...possibly doing the CYGS to be the greatest...which is very possible for her!
IMO, of course.
graf, martina, court are just ahead in terms of career achievement.
but she still needs to go 20+ in slams...possibly doing the CYGS to be the greatest...which is very possible for her!
IMO, of course.
graf, martina, court are just ahead in terms of career achievement.
It can't die when someone argue that 18=18, so any of the following are irrelevant.
167 titles > 64
332 weeks at #1 > 212
7 YE #1 > 3
8 YE championship > 5
34 slam final > 22
Should rational thinkers just give in ?
I don't think so.
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AngieB
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Your static analysis doesn't take into account that Serena Williams is the #1 player in world, dominating women's tennis and continues winning grand slam singles titles. Serena is heavily favored to win #19 in just a few short weeks which is why riding in your Ford Escort down Minor Lane is senseless. You can't even see tennis history beyond the Open Era which immediately disqualifies any credibility on your part.
Just remember, if you want to drive down Minor Lane, 23>10. You know you don't want to go there.
In terms of consensus, you need to get off your pole and look at the poll above^^^^^^^
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PDJ
G.O.A.T.
If you even have a driving licence, I wish someone would revoke it. Enough already.......
AngieB
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https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...he-get-the-credit-she-deserves-134606303.html
Serena Williams is the greatest athlete in a generation - so why doesn't she get the credit she deserves?
The world number one possesses an incredible arsenal and has had a stunning year, but deep-seated prejudice counts against her.
By Eurosport
27 October 2014 13:46
Serena Williams is the single greatest athlete of this generation. It's about time we say it, we shout it and, if we must, scream it from the rooftops.
But she wasn't on Wednesday October 22nd. Against Simona Halep in the group stages of the WTA Finals, she didn't even resemble a professional tennis player. It was the worst tennis match of her career. She won two games. She had a bagel unceremoniously shoved down her throat, losing it 6-0 6-2.
“To be quite frankly honest,” she whispered afterwards, with the vague hint of a threat. “I'm looking forward to our next meeting because she is making me go home and work hard and particularly train for her.”
It turns out, Serena didn't have to go home. The re-match arrived just three matches later in the final. She hadn't been in her best form all week, but for Serena Williams, when stone cold revenge is on the line, form is irrelevant.
Ninety minutes later, the score read 6-3 6-0. The names were switched, the trophy was resting in Williams' hands for the third successive year. She had done it again.
Many believe that 2014 has been, at best, a poor or average year for Williams. Serena, for her part, has spent the entire second half of the year incessantly proclaiming her excitement for 2015.
Even after she captured the US Open without a single set lost, it was clear she was completely over it all - ready for a clean state and a new season.
Oh, such a disastrous year it was. After all, she only won the US Open – a legendary Navratilova and Evert-equalling 18th slam. She only triumphed at the WTA Finals. She was only crowned the Miami, Cincinnati and Rome Masters champions. She only decimated the strong Brisbane and Stanford tournaments. She only became the first player to finish number one two years in a row since Steffi Graf in 1996.
Even in this so-called off year, she is currently achieving things that have literally never been seen, done or believed possible in the history of women's tennis by a player at such an advanced tennis age.
In football, people spend their time debating that embarrassingly thick narrative pitting one of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo as an “alien” from outer space and the other as a mere mortal. In tennis, a Federer backhand winner stops the world.
Little true praise ever comes the way of Serena Williams. All people can muster up for her is baseless accusations, some kind of offensive slur or else the most begrudging acknowledgement possible.
The reasons are clear enough.
Just a week ago, for example, the Russian Davis and Fed Cup captain, Shamil Tarpischev, was slammed, fined and suspended by the WTA after referring to Serena and her sister as the “Williams brothers” on a talk-show.
The sexism and racism issues are obvious. Sometimes overt, other times subconscious but always present. As is the fact that being a muscular, black, female athlete who is unapologetic about her appearance and personality means she has had so many crosses against her name from the inception of her career.
But on a sporting level, these slurs and general descriptions are used as devices to dismiss her achievements. People will acknowledge her success, but not, for example, without reducing her talents to her simply possessing superior strength to her rivals.
The reality is that Williams is probably is the most talented player, male or female, the world has ever seen.
The two pivotal weapons in tennis are the first two strokes of every single point – the serve and return. Everyone has a strength and a weakness in them; the very best can hope for two moderate strengths. Serena is the best in the world at both.
There are a slew of players who hit harder than her, but what sets her apart is the unrivalled consistency, the relentless depth of those powerful strokes and the tactical brain behind them.
She was also once one of the fastest players in women's tennis history. That speed is diminished and more inconsistent at 33 years old, but there are still plenty of times when she moves at a frightening pace.
Also in her unrivalled arsenal are her trademark deft angles, the best since Monica Seles, which were the driving force behind her French Open victory on her unfavoured clay last season.
What gives her the edge and ensures she is the greatest athlete of our generation, though, is context; the barriers she has broken, the hardships she has overcome, the unprecedented longevity, that constant unbelievable ability to prove every doubter wrong time after time after time.
Few athletes have recovered from the brink of death to enjoy the success she has done since her pulmonary embolism in 2011.
No athlete in recent memory has achieved quite a moment like when she arrived at the 2007 Australian Open ranked 81, extremely unfit, inactive from depression and facing such shockingly public criticism from the likes of Chris Evert, Pat Cash and many others.
She would shed all that weight with every match over the fortnight, battling past five seeded players in six matches before demolishing Maria Sharapova, the woman all claimed to have snatched her place, in the final.
The fact that she is still standing today is legendary enough. Nobody could have expected it. Retirement rumours surrounding the Williams sisters have circulated since as early as 2000, and the logical thought was that Serena would easily be outlived by all her rivals who cared more about tennis - who weren't consumed by a thousand other outside interests.
But just as she had the last laugh with little Simona Halep on Sunday, she continues to have the last laugh in a world where her only old-time rival still standing in singles is her own sister. She, the best athlete in decades, always does.
Serena Williams is the greatest athlete in a generation - so why doesn't she get the credit she deserves?
The world number one possesses an incredible arsenal and has had a stunning year, but deep-seated prejudice counts against her.
By Eurosport
27 October 2014 13:46
Serena Williams is the single greatest athlete of this generation. It's about time we say it, we shout it and, if we must, scream it from the rooftops.
But she wasn't on Wednesday October 22nd. Against Simona Halep in the group stages of the WTA Finals, she didn't even resemble a professional tennis player. It was the worst tennis match of her career. She won two games. She had a bagel unceremoniously shoved down her throat, losing it 6-0 6-2.
“To be quite frankly honest,” she whispered afterwards, with the vague hint of a threat. “I'm looking forward to our next meeting because she is making me go home and work hard and particularly train for her.”
It turns out, Serena didn't have to go home. The re-match arrived just three matches later in the final. She hadn't been in her best form all week, but for Serena Williams, when stone cold revenge is on the line, form is irrelevant.
Ninety minutes later, the score read 6-3 6-0. The names were switched, the trophy was resting in Williams' hands for the third successive year. She had done it again.
Many believe that 2014 has been, at best, a poor or average year for Williams. Serena, for her part, has spent the entire second half of the year incessantly proclaiming her excitement for 2015.
Even after she captured the US Open without a single set lost, it was clear she was completely over it all - ready for a clean state and a new season.
Oh, such a disastrous year it was. After all, she only won the US Open – a legendary Navratilova and Evert-equalling 18th slam. She only triumphed at the WTA Finals. She was only crowned the Miami, Cincinnati and Rome Masters champions. She only decimated the strong Brisbane and Stanford tournaments. She only became the first player to finish number one two years in a row since Steffi Graf in 1996.
Even in this so-called off year, she is currently achieving things that have literally never been seen, done or believed possible in the history of women's tennis by a player at such an advanced tennis age.
In football, people spend their time debating that embarrassingly thick narrative pitting one of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo as an “alien” from outer space and the other as a mere mortal. In tennis, a Federer backhand winner stops the world.
Little true praise ever comes the way of Serena Williams. All people can muster up for her is baseless accusations, some kind of offensive slur or else the most begrudging acknowledgement possible.
The reasons are clear enough.
Just a week ago, for example, the Russian Davis and Fed Cup captain, Shamil Tarpischev, was slammed, fined and suspended by the WTA after referring to Serena and her sister as the “Williams brothers” on a talk-show.
The sexism and racism issues are obvious. Sometimes overt, other times subconscious but always present. As is the fact that being a muscular, black, female athlete who is unapologetic about her appearance and personality means she has had so many crosses against her name from the inception of her career.
But on a sporting level, these slurs and general descriptions are used as devices to dismiss her achievements. People will acknowledge her success, but not, for example, without reducing her talents to her simply possessing superior strength to her rivals.
The reality is that Williams is probably is the most talented player, male or female, the world has ever seen.
The two pivotal weapons in tennis are the first two strokes of every single point – the serve and return. Everyone has a strength and a weakness in them; the very best can hope for two moderate strengths. Serena is the best in the world at both.
There are a slew of players who hit harder than her, but what sets her apart is the unrivalled consistency, the relentless depth of those powerful strokes and the tactical brain behind them.
She was also once one of the fastest players in women's tennis history. That speed is diminished and more inconsistent at 33 years old, but there are still plenty of times when she moves at a frightening pace.
Also in her unrivalled arsenal are her trademark deft angles, the best since Monica Seles, which were the driving force behind her French Open victory on her unfavoured clay last season.
What gives her the edge and ensures she is the greatest athlete of our generation, though, is context; the barriers she has broken, the hardships she has overcome, the unprecedented longevity, that constant unbelievable ability to prove every doubter wrong time after time after time.
Few athletes have recovered from the brink of death to enjoy the success she has done since her pulmonary embolism in 2011.
No athlete in recent memory has achieved quite a moment like when she arrived at the 2007 Australian Open ranked 81, extremely unfit, inactive from depression and facing such shockingly public criticism from the likes of Chris Evert, Pat Cash and many others.
She would shed all that weight with every match over the fortnight, battling past five seeded players in six matches before demolishing Maria Sharapova, the woman all claimed to have snatched her place, in the final.
The fact that she is still standing today is legendary enough. Nobody could have expected it. Retirement rumours surrounding the Williams sisters have circulated since as early as 2000, and the logical thought was that Serena would easily be outlived by all her rivals who cared more about tennis - who weren't consumed by a thousand other outside interests.
But just as she had the last laugh with little Simona Halep on Sunday, she continues to have the last laugh in a world where her only old-time rival still standing in singles is her own sister. She, the best athlete in decades, always does.
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I think we should just 'give in'. They aren't convincing anyone that matters around here, by simply repeating themselves endlessly. One does not gain credibility through repetition of inane talking points. We contribute to trolling if we provide trolls the very drug that keeps them coming back for more.
heftylefty
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What I have learned from this Thread:
AngieB
Banned
Serena isn't finished winning or losing either, so what is YOUR point?
Credit TennisFan436
Stop throwing a hissy about Chrissy. We know why you don't like Serena.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Serena isn't finished winning or losing either, so what is YOUR point?
Credit TennisFan436
Stop throwing a hissy about Chrissy. We know why you don't like Serena.
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AngieB
Exactly. That, and other reasons utterly devoid of even a passing flirtation with history.
heftylefty
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What else did I learned from this Thread:
In an alternate universe 18/32 is Greater than 18/22.
In an alternate universe 18/32 is Greater than 18/22.
AngieB
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Their Chrysler Cordoba ran out of gas on Major Highway because they couldn't read the fuel gauge. They thought 1/2 a tank was greater than 3/4.
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Always better to get 3/4 of the way down Major Lane than to have your cylinder head gasket conk out on you right at the outset of your drive AngieB.
AngieB
Banned
DJOKOVIC2011,
If you aren't checking your fuel gauge, it is always better to have 3/4 of a tank than 1/2 while traveling down Major Lane. You are less likely to run out of gas.
Something that hasn't been discussed on their failed trip down Minor Lane. 33>18 and 33>22 on any highway.
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Vanhool
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Either way you're a loser waiting on the tow truck while the winner zooms right past you.
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To some here, it just does not make any difference what happened in the rest of the 32 and what happened in the rest of the 22. It does not matter if Serena ever got past the fourth round, or was runner-up. If she 'majored in minor rounds' of the four slams, its exactly the same as if she actually reached or exceeded her own seeding and majored in getting deep into the tournament. Try looking at her career the other direction, and you will see what I mean.
Serena entered 14 Aussies. She reached the semifinals 5 times, with 6 losses in rds 64- 16, where she did not even get to the final 8 players. In 1998 lost rd 64; 1999 & 2006, she lost in Rd 32; and in both 2014 and 2012 she lost in Rd 16.
Evert entered only 6 but she reached the finals every time. No blips in those 6.
Serena entered 13 French championships and this time reached the semifinals only 3 times and lost before the second week 5 times. 2014 it was rd 64, 2012 it was rd 128, 1999 & 2008 it was rd 32. 1998 rd 16. Majoring in minor rounds again.
Evert entered 13 just like she did. She reached the semis in 12 of them. She did have her one blip in 1988 in Rd 32
Serena attended 15 Wimbledons reaching the semis 7 times and not reaching the semis 8 times. This includes two RD 32 losses in 1998 & 2005, and 2 Rd 16 losses in 2011 and 2013.
Evert entered 18 wimbledons, 3 more than Serena, but she wasn't perfect. Nope in 1983 she embarrassed herself and lost in rd 32. that's the 1 time in 18, she did not reached the penultimate round.
Serena played in 15 US Opens and this is her best and most consistent major. 12 of those 15 she reached the QFs but she lost 3 of those QF's. She has a rd 32 loss in 1998, and 2 rd 16 losses in 2005 & 2006.
Evert has played in 19 Opens, 4 more than Serena and she has never failed to reach the QF, and only lost 2 of those QF matches.
Yes they both won 18 majors. Serena has entered 57 majors and reached the semifinals 25 times, less than half the time. Evert has entered 56 majors and reached the semis 52 times. I think it actually matters what happened the rest of the time.
Serena is not done and she is is 33 years old. There will be more wins and losses in the next few years and every one will be part of her professional legacy however long she chooses to risk her legacy chasing victory number 19, just as Evert's play in 1971 and 1989 is part of these stats mentioned above. Tennis players do not get to erase the years and scores that don't work out well, and just hold the trophies at the photo-op.
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Djokovic2011
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But at least the further you go down that highway, the more amazing scenery you get to witness, not to mention some very nice people you might encounter at a cheap, friendly diner. Better that scenario than to be stuck in your boring local bar with the same old faces all because your car didn't get started on Major Lane in the first place.
Its a hell of a lot better watching one, two or four winners zoom past, than 8, 16 or 32 winners zoom past. The caliber of the two or four drivers going by, is likely to be a bit more impressive than the caliber of the 8 or 16, or God for forbid in Serena's case 64 twice or even 128 once. Ouch!
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Vanhool
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Lol ok
I do think deep runs count for something, mostly ranking points and shame aversion, but it's just not remotely as important to me as winning. In fact, I think winning big minors (not International 280s), is a bigger deal than deep runs at a slam, which is why I am thus far not a Stephens or Bouchard fan. I value champions. Anyone would rather have a deep run in a slam than bomb out early, but do you think a real champion like Chrissy or Martina sits around polishing their second place candy dishes or reflecting fondly on their semifinal? Hell no! Pam Shriver would throw every candy dish she owns out to have one of Chrissy's cups. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players would give up all their premier titles to win one slam. That's just how I feel about it...not saying other ways of looking at it aren't valid as well.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
How you feel about it mirrors history's value of tennis accomplishment. When all is said and done in a career, the records of history are not talking about early round loss, or semifinals. That is the self-indulgent, trivia / hokum for those who are fated to misunderstand history, particularly if history is the eternal brick wall preventing anti-Serena agenda from moving forward.
Their rage was expected the second Serena fulfilled ex-players / sports media, etc., expectation of her winning #18, and was showered with the deserved praise for matching Evert & Martina...
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
^^^ If you feel that way about it, that's fine. But surely even you can't deny that at least in terms of consistency(consistency, not overall greatness) then Chris and Martina are some distance ahead of Serena. Come on TV, at least concede that to us.
AngieB
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Australian Open Wins:
Serena--Singles--5 Doubles--4 Mixed--1 (10 GS)
Chris--Singles--2 (2 GS)
French Open Wins:
Serena--Singles--2 Doubles--2 (4 GS)
Chris--Singles--7 Doubles--2 (9 GS)
Wimbledon Wins:
Serena--Singles--5 Doubles--5 Mixed--1 (11 GS)
Chris--Singles--3 Doubles--1 (4 GS)
US Open Wins:
Serena--Singles--6 Doubles--2 Mixed--1 (9 GS)
Chris--6 (6 GS)
Serena Williams 18-4 in singles; 13-0 in doubles; and 2-2 in mixed GS Finals
Chris Evert 18-14 in singles; 3-1 in doubles GS Finals
Serena has won 33 Grand Slam titles
Chris has won 21 Grand Slam titles
Serena has won 18 Grand Slam Singles titles
Chris has won 18 Grand Slam Singles titles
Serena has won 15 Grand Slam Doubles/Mixed titles
Chris has won 3 Grand Slam Doubles titles
Helen Wills Moody has a better Grand Slam record than Chris Evert.
Given Chris has retired, and Serena is dominating the women's game at #1 without a formidable rival in or outside the top ten, Serena's GS numbers will continue to dwarf Chris'.
Chris often stumbled in the later rounds of the major events, especially on grass and hard court surfaces against aggressive players. Her passive baseline game was not suited for faster surfaces and in my opinion, Chris overachieved outside of clay.
I recall when Chris first began playing in the 1970's. I thought to myself, "great, Marcia Brady plays tennis." (It was before I accepted JC as my personal savior). Chris Evert-Jimmy Connors came right on the heels of Marcia Brady-Davey Jones. It was a match made in NBC heaven.
Chris was great in the 1970's and 1980-1982. But her last 7 years on tour were spent in Navratilova's shadow. Serena's chief rivals (Venus, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova, etc) could never consistently overcome Serena. Serena's been winning GS singles events since 1999, including her Serena Slam in 2002-2003. She's beginning 2015 as the dominant #1 player.
I know some of you will continue to sip the Lipton Iced Tea. This old lady has seen a lot of tennis long before Chris Evert and Serena is one of the best I have ever seen. It is only a matter of time before the Major singles numbers reflect what most of us are honest enough to admit to ourselves.
I believe that Serena will end her career as the greatest in grand slam tennis history. You kids need to get it together.
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Dominate?
How is it dominate when spending 19 years on the pro and only won 64 titles while another REAL dominant player have won 167 titles?
It's about time she won 18 slams(what took her so long). Chris needed 12 years to win her 18th. And on top of that, Chris made 33 slam finals to Serena 22. Don't get me started with comparing Serena to Martina, the level of dominant is even farther apart.
TT warehouse are infested by Serena lovers so who cares if Serena is leading the poll. It would make sense if only rational neutral fans vote.
The reliable poll is from the experts from The Tennis Channel.
AngieB
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Greatness in the sport of tennis is directly related to winning the biggest, most prestigious events sanctioned by the International Tennis Federation: Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, US Open and the Olympics. Davis/Fed Cup, too, if you want ITHOF inclusionary events.
The four Grand Slam Events define greatness in the sport of tennis. Drive a Mercedes down Major Lane.
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What you completely miss the point is Nadal is 5 years younger than Serena.
33 > 28.
No wonder these numbers hasn't sunk in.
167 titles > 64
332 weeks at #1 > 212
7 YE #1 > 3
8 YE championship > 5
34 slam final > 22
AngieB
Banned
Dominate?
How is it dominate when spending 19 years on the pro and only won 64 titles while another REAL dominant player have won 167 titles?
It's about time she won 18 slams(what took her so long). Chris needed 12 years to win her 18th. And on top of that, Chris made 33 slam finals to Serena 22. Don't get me started with comparing Serena to Martina, the level of dominant is even farther apart.
TT warehouse are infested by Serena lovers so who cares if Serena is leading the poll. It would make sense if only rational neutral fans vote.
The reliable poll is from the experts from The Tennis Channel.
The word is DOMINANT: D-O-M-I-N-A-N-T
i.e. Serena was "dominant" in winning the Serena Slam during 2002-2003.
Serena faced many more obstacles than Chris or Martina to get to 18. Serena left ALL of her major rivals behind her. Serena continues to be dominant going into 2015. We won't be having this discussion in the coming months because Serena will surpass Chris and Martina with victory #19. You know its coming. You should begin to prepare yourself for the inevitable. The earlier you begin to deal with your fears, the better you can work through the fears.
Once again, we don't place S&H Green Stamps Tennis Classics above ITF-sanctioned Grand Slam events when recording tennis history. Even the Tennis Channel knows that. However, I question them ranking Steffi Graf ahead of Pete Sampras, or any other man for that matter. They should have separated their list.
JC loves you. You should love yourself a little more.
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AngieB
AngieB
AngieB
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Open-Era only statistics are irrelevant when discussion the entirety of tennis history. You cannot omit 80+ years of tennis history and project yourself as being an honest witness of tennis history.
Helen Wills Moody is the winningest American Grand Slam singles champion to date. We anticipate Serena will surpass her in 2015.
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AngieB
AngieB
AngieB
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Yes, this thread could use more non-specific, hollow, minor, trivial lists which do little to prove anything of major importance. These lists are often used while traveling down the Minor Lane of tennis history.
Now, you could have used all that energy to provide a Pre-Open Era list of Grand Slam winners that we could compare/contrast.
TMF's Grand Slam History: The Ultimant List
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Djokovic2011
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But I explicitly stated that I was only talking in terms of consistency, not overall greatness AngieB. :? Having said that I think Chris and Martina are still way ahead of Serena in both categories anyway.
AngieB
Banned
I don't know of any former women's champion who had the physicality to achieve what Serena has the past three years. Can't wait for 2015.
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AngieB
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Depending on if and when Serena gets to 19, the chances are that she'll still be behind Chris and Martina for reasons already mentioned numerous times already. Major Lane is fun to travel down, but Minor Lane also has to be navigated plenty of times in order to truly appreciate the wonders of this beautiful world.
You want to list about percentage, here's one for you.
Best annual singles winning percentage
1 Martina Navratilova 98.9
2 Steffi Graf 97.7
3 Martina Navratilova 97.5
4 Steffi Graf 97.4
5 Martina Navratilova 96.8
6 Martina Navratilova 96.7
7 Steffi Graf 96
8 Margaret Court 95.3
9 Serena Williams 95.1
10 Chris Evert 94.9
All surface career single winning percentage
Rank Player Wins-Losses Win %
1 Margaret Court 593-56 91.37
2 Chris Evert 1309-146 89.97
3 Steffi Graf 902-115 88.69
4 Martina Navratilova 1442-219 86.82
5 Serena Williams* 677-118 85.15
6 Monica Seles 595-122 82.98
7 Justine Henin 503-109 82.18
8 Billie Jean King 695-155 81.76
9 Evonne Goolagong Cawley 704-165 81.01
AngieB
Banned
Don't forget to check the tire pressure on your Chrysler Cordoba. Minor Lane is full of road hazards.
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AngieB
AngieB
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
2nd to GrandmaB. Who'd have thought?
Although, far be it from me to disagree but I think I would be placed lower if you added in all the posts that have been removed.
Also, considerably lower if it were word-counted.
However, I humbly accept that GrandmaB is driving a faster car, but I take solace that I have a passport and can take a plane to any country. A luxury I believe lost on her as I suspect she's never left her country, or town for that matter.
AngieB
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Once again. You have omitted 80+ years of tennis history by producing a worthless Open Era-only list. I have tried being patient and understanding. I do realize that there might be some type of communication barrier. Some parts of Europe might not get all of Wikipedia.
So, next time, before posting any list, include ALL of tennis history.
Please and #PTL
AngieB
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
You do realise that Europe isn't a town in America?
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What I am continuing learning from this Thread:
Being clutch in Grand Slam Finals is now considered overrated. It's all about being in the Final. Winning is merely icing on the cake.
Being clutch in Grand Slam Finals is now considered overrated. It's all about being in the Final. Winning is merely icing on the cake.
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