Mainad
Bionic Poster
In the meantime he has semi-finalist points to defend the week after next. They're from Acapulco last year but he's chosen to try and defend them in Dubai this year. He needs to focus on doing that.
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In the meantime he has semi-finalist points to defend the week after next. They're from Acapulco last year but he's chosen to try and defend them in Dubai this year. He needs to focus on doing that.
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King Fed WW
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He reached a slam final last month, Better than lsing 1 and 0 is it not?
He gave you a Wimbledon title, what more can you expect?
Murray fans have more to look forward to than Fed fans anyway.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Very true.
Another one? No seriously, you are right and his record will always be secure for us Murray fans. We're just hoping for a bit more before he's finally done. Are we being too greedy?
Fed's reputation is solid. Unlike Murray, he's done practically everything a tennis player could do! Anything else at this stage, is just a bonus. By contrast, there are still things that Murray could achieve!
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King Fed WW
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Not too greedy but you have got the main thing in the bag. Just imagine he had ended his career without it.
Well you could say the same with Murray, both legacies are secure. A 8th Wimbledon would have been the ultimate...
Andy is probably my favourite for Wimbledon this year. In a very open field.
rainingaces
Legend
Go to bed mainad you're starting to sound like a broken record.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I'm a depressed Murray fan, of course I'm a broken record (well, a bit scratched anyway)! :wink:
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
Is this just yet another manifestation of post AO losing finalist blues or are we witnessing the start of something much worse?
Only FOUR games against an 18 year old kid ranked #84 in the world??? :shock:
I think I'm too depressed even to bother putting up much of a rant about it!
Only FOUR games against an 18 year old kid ranked #84 in the world??? :shock:
I think I'm too depressed even to bother putting up much of a rant about it!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
What can he say? He was rubbish and allowed a teenager, no matter how talented, to run him off the court! This is the 2nd event this month where's he allowed someone to destroy him...not merely beat him mind...destroy him!
It's not so much the fact he's getting beaten but the WAY he's getting beaten!
Can't even manage a set and go down with some dignity! That is what's so depressing about this. He's going down without a fight. He used to be one of the biggest fighters and toughest competitors on the tour and now he's letting former pigeons like Simon and cocky kids like Coric routine him! His reputation is going to take a nosedive if he keeps this up.
If he can't compete better than this as befitting a world #3 ranked player, why is he competing at all?
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Deleted member 307496
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I think this is just simply post-AO blues. Murray will be fine come Miami I think.
Captain Ron
Professional
Where is the depressed Dimitrov fans thread?
Who imagined I'd find consolation with Murray fans on here
It's usually just Maria asking why she is playing in this **** tournament so he can cliff dive and play like a 20-40 ranked WTA player
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Feel free to start one! :wink:
Who imagined I'd find consolation with Murray fans on here
We've got more than enough to go around at the moment, unfortunately!
decrepitude
Rookie
I don't know what is the matter with Andy, but something obviously is. Consistency used to be his middle name.
This match - Coric was good, but not THAT brilliant. Andy handed him the match. 55 unforced errors I heard - he usually doesn't have that many in an entire tournament!
I hope he finds a replacement for Dani very soon. He does seem to be a person who is very easily distracted, and having nobody to smooth his path can't be helping.
This match - Coric was good, but not THAT brilliant. Andy handed him the match. 55 unforced errors I heard - he usually doesn't have that many in an entire tournament!
I hope he finds a replacement for Dani very soon. He does seem to be a person who is very easily distracted, and having nobody to smooth his path can't be helping.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I tend to agree. He needs a team to guide him and it seems kind of awful to see Vallverdu sitting there for Berdych matches when for so many years he was a front bench member of Andy's team. It doesn't seem right somehow.
Andy's team is a mess. Andy is a mess. Not much has gone right for him since he parted with Lendl and then Vallverdu and Green. I hope and pray he gets it sorted out soon...for his sake!
Fanboys/girls do get frustrated often with every loss favorite is suffering, since they expect their favourites to win every or most of the tournaments he's entering. It practically doesn't happen and they gets disappointed frequently. True smart Fans who are the fans of Sport in general, knows strengths and limitations of favorite and keeps the expectation levels according to player's potential.
Those who have decent knowledge of Tennis, follows it regularly knows since 2012 Murray's trump card is his performance in GS tournaments not Masters or lesser tournaments. No matter how much he's losing in non GS tournaments from here, I'm quite sure he will perform according to his standards in Wimbledon, USO and possibly at FO depending upon draw. As far as he's making QF+ in every GS tournament he's entering, his fans has nothing to worry about.
Those who have decent knowledge of Tennis, follows it regularly knows since 2012 Murray's trump card is his performance in GS tournaments not Masters or lesser tournaments. No matter how much he's losing in non GS tournaments from here, I'm quite sure he will perform according to his standards in Wimbledon, USO and possibly at FO depending upon draw. As far as he's making QF+ in every GS tournament he's entering, his fans has nothing to worry about.
Homeboy Hotel
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Is Murray...
1) Proving he is a massive baby and can't win without someone holding his hand 24/7
Or...
2) Putting little effort in the non-slam tournaments, playing at 40% and happily tanking
This is not the first time Murray plays so **** poorly in ATP tournaments, wins 1-2 matches then loses to some one who he wouldn't dare lose a single game to if he was on centre court at Wimbledon. He's showing little respect to the fans or the tournament organisers then puts together some nonsense comments to the press saying how he "felt absolutely fine, just started tentatively, made a few errors, this loss won't effect me"
Andrew Murray, it's not good enough. Grow up.
1) Proving he is a massive baby and can't win without someone holding his hand 24/7
Or...
2) Putting little effort in the non-slam tournaments, playing at 40% and happily tanking
This is not the first time Murray plays so **** poorly in ATP tournaments, wins 1-2 matches then loses to some one who he wouldn't dare lose a single game to if he was on centre court at Wimbledon. He's showing little respect to the fans or the tournament organisers then puts together some nonsense comments to the press saying how he "felt absolutely fine, just started tentatively, made a few errors, this loss won't effect me"
Andrew Murray, it's not good enough. Grow up.
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Mainad
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I think he is used to having a good, solid well tested team behind him. In the last 12 months most of that has fallen apart and I suspect he is feeling its effects.
Why bother entering them if he can't be bothered to perform in them? But I wonder if there is something physical going on that Murray isn't telling us. Maybe, since his back surgery, he no longer feels fit enough to go deep in all the tournaments he plays and is conserving his energy for the Slams. Note that when he roused himself to win Shenzhen, Vienna and Valencia back to back last autumn so as to qualify for London he had no energy left to do much when he got there symbolised by the infamous double bagel he received from Federer. It was his worst showing ever at the O2 and indicated to me that he just isn't physically fit enough anymore to go deep in everything he plays.
Djokovic2011
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Now now Mainad it wasn't quite that bad, you should've remembered that he did win the one game!
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King Fed WW
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Now now Mainad it wasn't quite that bad, you should've remembered that he did win the one game!
Fed give him a game. A nice gesture but the true score was 6-0 6-0.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Now now Mainad it wasn't quite that bad, you should've remembered that he did win the one game!
Oh you mean that game towards the end that an embarrassed Federer gracefully conceded to him? Puuulllleeeaaassseee!!!! :twisted:
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Maybe it was just an off day? He made the AO finals not too long ago. Is this thread gonna be bumped every time Murray loses?...
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well, he had an 'off day' a couple of weeks back in Rotterdam when he only managed to take 6 games off a guy he had never lost to in 12 previous matches. Today he only managed 4 games to a teenage rookie ranked #84 in the world! I don't have a problem with him losing occasionally especially if he puts up a strong fight and makes it reasonably close but to allow himself to get destroyed by guys he should never be losing to on not one but TWO occasions within the space of a few weeks is disturbing and undignified for someone who is supposed to be world #3!
Frankly, it is depressing and I need somewhere to vent about it that is not filled with people who hate him anyway and just want to gloat. That's why I started this thread!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
When is he ditching Mauresmo? She may be a great coach for somebody else but she's not what Murray needs. That was my opinion from the start and I'm sticking to it.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I think most of us who care about him have had and still do have the same opinion. In the last 12 months, he has parted with his best coach and 2 valued and long-standing team members and I think this has affected him. After all, he is a guy who is used to having a trusted and loyal team behind him.
He has always been good at figuring out if a coaching relationship is working or not. A longish list of former coaches will attest to that. Sooner or later he will decide if it is worth keeping Mauresmo or not. Hopefully it will be sooner. I just hope he makes the right decision one way or the other.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Yeah the sooner the better. Lendl had worked wonders for his mental. It's gonna be hard to find better or even as good as him but I'm pretty sure he can find better than Mauresmo at least.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Andre Agassi may be showing an interest! :wink:
Capulin Zurdo
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I was more or so suspecting Murray's match against Djokovic to go to three tight sets, however I hope he can win it big sometime soon.
Murray's lost his edge this past year whilst Nolé and Roger have pushed on. Rafa will get there once he finds his form again.
Andy stubbornly hasn't worked on the areas of his game that were clearly lacking. That second serve is asking to be punished and he passively lofts the ball all too often, giving the likes of Novak time to get it back with interest.
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JRAJ1988
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I'm not depressed more peeved, the crowd at ID should have got on Murray's back, you reach the semis of a Masters then you make zero effort? What is it, he's scared? frightened he's playing the world number 1?
Even if you lose go down fighting, take some mileage out of your first serve and get the ball in.
Even if you lose go down fighting, take some mileage out of your first serve and get the ball in.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
It's back to the drawing board if he hopes to be able to compete against Djokovic again! Each loss seems to affect his confidence so now he must be a mass of doubts and uncertainties.
If I were his coach, I would make him sit down and watch videos of their US Open and Wimbledon finals and also the Masters finals that Murray beat him in in the period 2009-13 to remind him of what he did then and how he played Djokovic back then before he lapses into a "I'll never beat Novak again" frame of mind!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Murray has fans?!
Well, why do you suppose this thread has reached 15 pages!
Now get lost. You clearly don't belong in this thread! :twisted:
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Something has affected his service motion and I'm sure it must be the back surgery. It can't be a coincidence that he's been struggling against both Djokovic and Federer ever since he won 2013 Wimbledon and then had the surgery a couple of months later. If he can't serve like he did back then because of it, then he will have to learn new techniques and strategies. But even they may not work. The back surgery could well prove to be a significant watershed in his career!
fecaleagle
Professional
I was playing tennis today and took the first set 6-2. It was a blowout. Then, between sets I checked the score of the Murray/Djokovic match. It really bummed me out and I got handed a beatdown in the second...
I really thought he was going to pull it off today. His performance against Lopez was clinical (and yes, I understand it's a tremendously different matchup), and I thought he was going to get the monkey off his back this time... Bummer.
I really thought he was going to pull it off today. His performance against Lopez was clinical (and yes, I understand it's a tremendously different matchup), and I thought he was going to get the monkey off his back this time... Bummer.
Capulin Zurdo
Hall of Fame
I do agree, Murray does seem like he lost, hmm, how to put it, an 'edge' to him. Though, he also seems to be showing substantial improvement from yesteryear.
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Capulin Zurdo
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Part of me exceedingly wants Murray to go back to that sort of form (and even improve) you mentioned and play better in his matches. I also agree, with each loss, it seems to be a detriment to him. I'm still hoping high for him; and hopefully it can be soon.
maruzo
Semi-Pro
This thread is only for those of us who are feeling down about Murray's latest loss. So no haters please (there are other threads out there you can happily gloat in)!
What the heck was the matter with Andy today? Yes, I know Dimitrov was playing great (better than I've ever seen him play before) but Andy came out so flat, so listless, missing so many serves, missing bread and butter groundstrokes, poor body language, apparently clueless about what he needed to do!
I think it's one of the worst performances I've ever seen from him and this is so surprising because he was riding a wave and seemed to be coming into his peak after his first 4 rounds, especially after the match against Anderson! I mean, this was Centre Court at Wimbledon, his favourite surface at his favourite venue where he is assured of home crowd support and where he was defending champion and what happens? He comes out as flat as a pancake instead of all guns blazing and gets blown off the court by a guy he has beaten 3 times out of 4 and who he ran close in their last match 3 months ago when he was still recovering from his back surgery!
I'll await his post match comments to see what he says. I hope there was nothing physical going on but he obviously felt well enough to play so I'm not trying to use that as an excuse! I just feel so taken aback and a bit down at such a lamentable performance from him at his favourite venue after he had been playing so well in all his earlier rounds!
What's the feeling about this? I could have lived with it if he'd put up more of a fight but am really puzzled why he went out in this manner!
The masters series are by design significant energy sappers for the pros. Just look at all the players, by the time the semis or the final comes around, none of the players are able to perform at the top of their game.
The level that they play at is so high and demands so much of their body, you need at least a day's rest, if not two days, in order to play your best.
Murray's body simply was too sore and tired from the previous 5 matches played within a week.
You see the same result with Novak, Federer, Halep. Heck if Serena had to withdraw with a knee injury.
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Then why did he sit 4-5 months out of competition? For fun?
batz
G.O.A.T.
Silent ban.
It's weird you know, if you'd told me before the season started that Murray would be a clear second in the ATP Race behind Nole going into Miami then I'd have bitten your hand off - but that post surgery win over a Big 3 member looks no closer to happening.
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TTMR
Hall of Fame
Because, while I have nothing against the guy, Murray isn't a worker, or a doer; he's content to sit back and rest on his laurels, which is precisely what he did after his Wimbledon victory. That's why he repelled the no-nonsense tower-of-masculinity disciplinarian Ivan Lendl, and replaced him with an accommodating and gentle "life coach" who he knows will be unwilling and unable to challenge his petulant spoiled toddlerism and golden-spoon-in-mouth brattiness. I fully expect even Mauresmo will be seen as too stern as Murray continues to flounder and blame the world for his problems, and a more servile and therapeutic suppliant like Enya or Raffi will be called in to indulge his woe-is-me disposition.
Again, nothing against the guy.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
As Murray fan I have to agree absolutely with most of this. APART from that he IS A WORKER. To say he does not work hard is not true. Murray had to put in really significant work to build up psyche and spend many long months in the gym to do this. He works as hard, if not harder than any in the top 4. Also on court the gets he produces are as good as anyones. To say he's not motivated is untrue you don't win slams on pure talent alone - He's put(s) in the work - No question !
'petulant spoiled toddlerism and golden-spoon-in-mouth brattiness'.
I'm afraid to say I have to agree.
Until he puts the work in to get his head straight, being a Murray fan is going to no fun...
And Andy does not look like he's enjoy his tennis either ! Something has to change.
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JRAJ1988
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This is a nutshell is Murray's problem.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Utter bollocks. Everything Murray has he has worked bloody hard for.
Flint
Hall of Fame
Murray supposedly has a style of play whereby he gets everything into play, makes no errors and waits for his opponent to make an error.
There was one game in that match where he would (2nd) serve, djokovic would return it and Murray would forehand it into the net.
Lately he seems to have become an unforced error machine.
I wish he would take a little power of the first serve and focus on raising his 1st serve %.
I wish he would also hit just a little higher over the net with more topspin and get the ball in and hit it deep.
There was one game in that match where he would (2nd) serve, djokovic would return it and Murray would forehand it into the net.
Lately he seems to have become an unforced error machine.
I wish he would take a little power of the first serve and focus on raising his 1st serve %.
I wish he would also hit just a little higher over the net with more topspin and get the ball in and hit it deep.
Desertman
Hall of Fame
Totally agree. He's probably one of the hardest workers on the tour.
His problem is not resting on laurels or blaming others because they push him too hard but it is being too hard on himself. Murray isn't a McEnroe, who could breate others and himself but only grew stronger because of it. The shock losses McEnroe suffered were usually when he was unusually quiet and self restrained (the Wimbledon loss to Curran in '85 comes to mind). Murray, on the other hand, needs to stop berating himself when he makes a mistake or misses an opportunity and allow the moment to pass without a second though. The point is over and focus should be on the next point. Perhaps Bjorkman can instill that attitude in him and improve his mental approach and reaction to adversity within a match.
Flint
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