Nadal, The King of Clay, doesn't want to see more hard-court tourneys

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Acapulco has gain prestige after switching from clay to hard court. Because of the success, South American clay court events are planning to switch to hard courts to attracts better field. Nadal is unhappy that he threatens not to be around if they switch them to hard court.


http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...rnaments-hard-court-tournaments-tennis/65108/

Rafael Nadal has reached the semifinal in Miami, but says he does not want more hard-court events played during the year.

Some of the South American clay-court events are talking about switching to hard courts to attract a better field, as the Acapulco event has done. But Nadal said having fewer clay-court events would mean fewer clay-court players to play them.

"It’s obvious that if every day is less clay-court tournaments, that there is less strong players on clay," said Nadal. "That's the normal thing. If there is 80 percent of the tournaments on hard, is normal that the best players of the world are hard-court specialists, not clay-court specialists. So if we still putting more tournaments on hard, then no one top player will be a specialist on clay.

"These tournaments, for sure, will never have a top player because the top players are always on hard and they want to play on his surface. That didn't happen in the past, when there was more tournaments on clay, that there [were] a lot of great players on clay—stars like [Juan Carlos] Ferrero, [Guillermo] Coria, Carlos Moya. Situation change because ATP is pushing more and more the hard-court tournaments.”

The 30-year-old Nadal has won nine Grand Slams titles on clay at the French Open, and five other majors—one at the Australian Open on hard courts, two at Wimbledon on grass and two at the U.S. Open on hard courts. The Spanish left-hander has dominated the European clay courts and also been successful in South America, winning Buenos Aires in 2015, Rio de Janeiro in 2014 and Acapulco in 2013 before it switched to hard courts.

While saying that he was not looking to give himself an advantage, Nadal would like to see more events on clay— especially the ATP Tour Finals, for which the top eight qualify.

“It's obvious that I am not talking because I'm a better player on clay than on hard, because when these changes probably will happen, I will not be here around,” he said. “So I am talking about the benefit of the sport in general. I think it's the same thing, that I'm playing the Masters Cup [ATP Tour Finals] every single year on hard.

"I don't understand that I qualified for 11 or 12 years on Masters Cup, [but] I had to play all the Masters Cup on hard when you qualified on grass, clay, hard and indoor. If you put more tournaments on hard, every time you have less tournaments on clay. For me, [it] is not fair enough.”

Nadal has won 69 titles, most of them on clay courts, and has not won a hard-court title since 2014, when he captured Doha.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
It's obvious what the point of this thread is.

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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Hard court dominates the Tour, not wanting more of it doesn't seem wrong to me.

His comments on the Masters Cup doesn't make much sense to me however. It's not just about those 11-12 years he played it, the tournament has been played on hard or carpet throughout it's entire history (except one year), you can't expect it to suddenly change just so your style would be suited better.
 

Drlexus

Banned
Nadal has a point. Latin america should all be clay events.

However the master cup should be on carpet.

There shoukd be three masters 1000 on grass courts three on hard and three on clay.

Variety is what is needed to truly see who the best is.

Some of u are staticians. In my above scenario can u adjust player records to allow for their records if the tour was as above
 
Has little whiny nephew expressed his desperation about the indoor carped going the path of the dinosaurs and good players on the surface going also extinct?

Probably he should shut up as this seems to be yet another self-serving rant.

:cool:
 

OrangePower

Legend
His point is valid. It's more exciting when there is more variety in court surface between tournaments. That encourages a broader range of playing styles and also different players become contenders depending on the surface rather than one or two players dominating everywhere.

We need more grass, more carpet/indoor, and to keep the clay events on clay.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
His point is valid. It's more exciting when there is more variety in court surface between tournaments. That encourages a broader range of playing styles and also different players become contenders depending on the surface rather than one or two players dominating everywhere.

We need more grass, more carpet/indoor, and to keep the clay events on clay.
But not all hard courts are the same. AO/IW/Miami are slow, the rest are considered medium paced or even fast like Cincinnati.

I agree that there should be more variety but 1/3 of the calendar year is clay, if Rafa wants proportions let's switch some of the HC tournament to grass, I wonder how he's gonna like that looking at his record on grass since 2011.
 
Of course Rafa would complain about how there should be more clay events.

We have a really good amount of clay tournaments already, for crying out loud. If anything, we need more grass tournaments or something.

Indoor carpet tournaments and more fast grass tournaments with higher profile.

Two things about which the Nadal is not "concerned" at all.

:(
 

OrangePower

Legend
But not all hard courts are the same. AO/IW/Miami are slow, the rest are considered medium paced or even fast like Cincinnati.

I agree that there should be more variety but 1/3 of the calendar year is clay, if Rafa wants proportions let's switch some of the HC tournament to grass, I wonder how he's gonna like that looking at his record on grass since 2011.

Oh I agree, there should be more grass tournaments for sure. And not all hard courts are the same, but they are close enough these days that we see the same players and same game style work on all of them. Bottom line is I'd like to see more variation in playing styles, and less domination across surfaces by the same small group of dominant players.

As for what Rafa's real motivation was in saying what he did, I'm not going to try interpret his reasons, I'm just taking what he said at face value and I agree with him there.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
(...) every day is less clay-court tournaments
each hour on our now tragically hardcourt-colored planet, the equivalent of 6764642664 old-growth clay courts are destroyed by the (not golden)bulldozers of the evil hardcourt conspiracy society :(
the brave whining bull is only trying to attract the attention of international community... but, sadly, nobody gives a squirrel dropping about his repetitive self-serving requests. :eek:
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But not all hard courts are the same. AO/IW/Miami are slow, the rest are considered medium paced or even fast like Cincinnati.

I agree that there should be more variety but 1/3 of the calendar year is clay, if Rafa wants proportions let's switch some of the HC tournament to grass, I wonder how he's gonna like that looking at his record on grass since 2011.

Shanghai Masters court is much faster than Cincinnati.

Just add more grass tournaments without eliminating any HC tournaments. HC is lowest maintenance, clay needs people to always brush and maintain, and grass is usually the most expensive.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I think you misinterpreted Rafa here. I don't think he's threatening to not show up in the future if they switch to hard, but rather that he'd like to see them switch long after he's retired. After years of complaining I think he recognises that it won't happen during his career, so he's saying he'd like to see more tournaments on natural surfaces for the benefit of future players.

And he's right to some extent--HCs are damaging to everyone, regardless of whether you play like Rafa or Roger. There are too many HCs and not enough grass. Clay is all over the place. Ideally there should be a nice equal three-way split between the three surfaces across the year so that people who enjoy a particular surface can tune in for at least 1/3 of the year, or at least have at least one tournament on each surface at any point in the year.

Instead, as far as prestigious tournaments go, you have clay for about three months, grass for like three weeks, then nothing but HCs the rest of the year.

The WTF should similarly rotate on the three surfaces to represent all of the M1000s. Always have the roof closed only during play for the sake of controlled conditions if you must. Indoor clay, indoor hard, and indoor grass would be interesting to watch. That way the fight for the WTF becomes unpredictable each year. Imagine if the WTF 2012 were held on indoor grass, for example.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
I think you misinterpreted Rafa here. I don't think he's threatening to not show up in the future if they switch to hard, but rather that he'd like to see them switch long after he's retired. After years of complaining I think he recognises that it won't happen during his career, so he's saying he'd like to see more tournaments on natural surfaces for the benefit of future players.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't want it right now too if possible.
 

AngryBirds

Semi-Pro
The guy build his career winning on clay. If 80% of all tournaments were played on clay, he'd be sitting at 30+ slams now. So, it isn't surprising why he wants more clay.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
That doesn't mean he wouldn't want it right now too if possible.
Of course he would want it right now if possible. But that won't change the fact that it's not going to happen, and it wasn't my point either. My point was that the OP has misinterpreted Rafa, making him sound as if he's ransoming his own appearance during the South American clay swing for a surface reversion, which he is not, in this case.
 
Of course he would want it right now if possible. But that won't change the fact that it's not going to happen, and it wasn't my point either. My point was that the OP has misinterpreted Rafa, making him sound as if he's ransoming his own appearance during the South American clay swing for a surface reversion, which he is not, in this case.

IF he had the pull, he would have.

That much we know from his little whiny rant there.

:cool:
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
He can't talk when it's always been 3 clay masters vs 0 grass masters. Imagine the record Fed would've set if he had 3 grass masters from 03? He'd have at least 35 by now.

Agreed on YEC. Make it carpet like 05 again.
Grass is least popular surface. How much % of Tennis in world (at all levels) is played on Grass? what % of kids world wide play and train of grass? What would be total % of grass courts worldwide among all kind of Tennis courts worldwide ? If you look at these numbers you would realize that 1 grand slam is already way more representation for grass courts at highest level. Grass court tennis is just for ceremonial value. Very few amateurs and kids train on grass. Though i don't represent any sample, but just saying, that I never played Tennis on a grass court though I have played on hard courts in 4 countries where I stayed and on clay in 2.
 

joekapa

Legend
Nadal has a point. Latin america should all be clay events.

However the master cup should be on carpet.

There shoukd be three masters 1000 on grass courts three on hard and three on clay.

Variety is what is needed to truly see who the best is.

Some of u are staticians. In my above scenario can u adjust player records to allow for their records if the tour was as above
That's overdoing it for masters on grass. Grass has such a short season anyway. It should have at least one masters. Maybe Queens should be upgraded. And downgrade some hard court masters.

But I also agree about the WTF. The surface should iterate between hard court, clay, and maybe carpet. Grass should be restricted to it's regular summer season. Having a good grass court during winter (WTF time), is simply not possible.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
He's got Fognini in the SF of Miami after going through a powderpuff draw and he's still bi***ng? Kohlschreiber who lasted 20 minutes was his biggest obstacle so what the hell is he complaining about?

Have to agree with this, but I also agree with Nadal in the big picture. Obviously what he's saying is very self serving which is not particularly a surprise, but there shouldn't be more HC tournaments. There are too many of them already. Mind you, Nadal would probably disagree with there being more grass court tournaments as well (as it should be).
 

joekapa

Legend
Grass is least popular surface. How much % of Tennis in world (at all levels) is played on Grass? what % of kids world wide play and train of grass? What would be total % of grass courts worldwide among all kind of Tennis courts worldwide ? If you look at these numbers you would realize that 1 grand slam is already way more representation for grass courts at highest level. Grass court tennis is just for ceremonial value. Very few amateurs and kids train on grass. Though i don't represent any sample, but just saying, that I never played Tennis on a grass court though I have played on hard courts in 4 countries where I stayed and on clay in 2.
Agree. Grass is a "niche" surface that you rarely see outside of the Commonwealth countries (I grew up in one and "lawn" tennis clubs existed, but you needed to be rich to play on them, or travel to the other side of town to play on them).

You see more "carpet/fake grass" courts than grass courts.

And yes, the WTF should be iterated so as to include clay. No doubt.

This however is no excuse for Nadal. He should of been a more efficient hard court player imho. The courts were/are there, throughout Europe.
 

joekapa

Legend
He is right about not putting more HC events. Nothing unusual there and he is right.

What the tour needs are more grass events or longer grass season. Right now there is only wimbledon that classifies as a big tournament.
You cannot play on grass all year round. It's short for a reason. Wear and tear on grass courts is evident. It's simply NOT an all weather surface. Where can pros practice on grass ? It's not that easy to maintain them, and have readily available grass courts for practice. Look at what happens to Wimby courts as the tournament progresses. From lush green, to hard yellow in a matter of 10 days.

Agree that there should be 1 masters grass tournament though.
 
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