17 enough for GOAThood?

[World Beater]

a few more djokovic beatdowns of ****** will make this forum that much more fun.

 

[abmk]

Oh yes now I remember, I was comparing to his performance in USO 2010. I said his serve was a bit better but not much. ATT that was correct mate regardless of what you say.

no, it wasn't, you were absolutely wrong. His serve was by some distance better at the AO ( and since then ) than in the year before. You fail again.

Djoker played pretty well against Rafa in USO 2010 whereas you made out like he was a walk over and Fed would've been a tougher opponent for Rafa. Well I guess that has now been proven wrong.

LOL, what a load of cr*p. Djoker played well in the USO final, but not as well as he's been this year. Show me one place where I said he'd was a walkover. I said federer playing well would have been a tougher opponent for rafa than the 2010 djoker at the USO and that doesn't change. The djoker of now with the mental edge on rafa would probably be tougher now.

I told you that Djoker was a tougher opponent for Rafa because his BH is the main weapon that hurts him, but you kept carrying on about Djoker's FH being the thing that hurt Rafa most. You have been proven wrong on that as well, so you're the only one who should feel embarrassed.

LOL, his BH has been more effective in the matches vs rafa this year, but his FH was more damaging in their earlier encounters. Doesn't change what I said. Djoker's FH now is more consistent, but less penetrating than it used to be

 

[RAFA2005RG]

i wonder if novak has a better chance to get to 17 slams than Nadal since well..he OWNS NADAL right now...fed is one the decline and the rest of the field he owns.

Djokovic's problem is he did nothing for most of his athletic prime. He had the tools but never the mind. The best players in history are those who bring their mind to the level of their body before they lose too much physically.

 

[abmk]

You cannot use one match to build a basis on the field being easier today.

So what if Fed pulled out one win against Djoker this year.

Kuerten beat Fed in 04. He was half crippled and old but still beat him at RG so does that mean that if Gustavo was in his prime, Fed would not stand a chance?

Agassi at age 34.5 pushed Fed to 5 sets in 04 USO, does that mean that prime Agassi would smash prime Fed?

Also, Roddick is nowhere near the competition of Rafa and Djoker. Roddick was not top 3 for 3 years then reach number 1 like Djoker has done and has not been as consistent in all the majors like Djoker has been. Rafa has not faced Roddick many in majors but he would beat him more often than not.

Djoker, Delpo, Murray and Rafa are MUCH tougher competition than Hewitt, Safin Roddick, Nalby, Blake, Davy, Gonzo, Baggy, old Agassi etc. Those 4 have some real game and competitivness about them. They are much tougher competition. Hell only Hewitt and Roddick out of those were consistent slam performers, Agassi was on a decline ATT. BUt Djoker, Delpo, Murray and Rafa have shown consistency across all majors (well Delpo hasn't done much at AO and WIM yet but he will, he's too talented not to).

rafa was also part of fed's competition in his prime, especially on clay and grass . Of course nadal has improved on HC ....

djoker at present - I'd put above the rest, not so much the djoker from 2008-2010, but then rafa hasn't beat the present djoker, has he ? :lol:

Reg federer and kuerten, that was an off-day for fed unlike the case of djokovic who was playing well vs fed.

What about the others ? What have they done that they are so much better than fed's competition ?

agassi even at an old age was capable of playing well - but you're blinded not to see that

a past his prime hewitt was able to stretch roddick to 5 ( was up a break in the 5th IIRC ) at wimbledon in 2009, but murray couldn't even take him to 5 .

murray still keeps on messing it up at the majors - not just finals ( he was actually playing decent in the AO 2010 final when fed beat him btw , but many ignorantly keep generalizing that he played badly in all 3 slam finals )

delpo isn't even back to the form he was in 2009 . We'll see how much of his potential he can realise . You do remember fed faced delpo at his very best when he won RG , right ?

roddick wasn't/isn't as good as djoker, no doubt, but doesn't mean he can't be as dangerous as him, if not more at say wimby or USO , when playing well.

So what if Murray made more HC finals, Rafa has 2 Murray has 0. End of story there.

Also it won't be just me rating Rafa higher if he gets to 13 or 14 because everybody else recognises that the competition is tougher now than ever. That includes current players as well as past players.

James Blake was number 4 in the world when Fed was dominating. That is laughable competition. JB has nothing on the current number 4 ranked player even you have to admit that.

LOL @ everybody. By everybody you mean the rafa deluded world ?

I was pointing out that rafa can't even make slam finals that consistently where there is the most depth - HC . So much for the competition argument. Its not just about which period had the better players , but about who they actually faced , where , when and in what sort of form .

For how many months was James Blake no 4 by the way ? was he no 4 for all the years from 2004-2007 ?

 

[Manus Domini]

Yes it is.

Well, we can then discount 1 wimby, 1 AO, and 5 FOs from Nadal's record, cause that's the exact same H2H between Nadal and Fed

So, err, 9 slams for Fed and 3 for Rafa, right?

 

[CMM]

This forum has gotten dumber since Djokers dominance. I didn't think it was possible.

That's because the Rafa haters are out in full force.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

That's because the Rafa haters are out in full force.

And surprisingly, BULLZILLA has revived two old accounts to troll this forum.

 

[CMM]

And surprisingly, BULLZILLA has revived two old accounts to troll this forum.

If everyone knows he's a troll I don't understand why they keep arguing with him.
The more you give him attention, the more he'll keep on trolling.

 

[Sid_Vicious]

If everyone knows he's a troll I don't understand why they keep arguing with him.
The more you give him attention, the more he'll keep on trolling.

I don't respond to him anymore. However, many posters don't realize he is a troll and respond to his comments which starts a chain reaction that eventually leads to 5 plus page troll thread.

 

[ChanceEncounter]

James Blake was number 4 in the world when Fed was dominating. That is laughable competition. JB has nothing on the current number 4 ranked player even you have to admit that.

That laughably #4 ranked James Blake was 3-0 against Nadal until he dropped out of the top 10.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

The rest of the World is already comparing the two. John McEnroe, Mary Carillo, and Bud Collins have already suggested Nadal could be rated above Federer already. While I dont agree at this point, it shows that it is wishful thinking that the whole World shares the ******* sentiment that Federer is on a whole other planet of greatness from Nadal which will never be approached. This is far from the case.

No one says Federer will never be approached. Just that it is pure speculation for now.