2007 AO Federer vs 2011 AO Djokovic

[aman92]

Their two best versions respective versions at the AO going head to head against each other. Federer obviously didn't lose a set throughout the tournament and while people like to bring up 2016 Djokovic, that version was taken to 5 sets by Simon whereas 2011 Djokovic only lost 1 set the entire tournament in a TB and beat Fed and Murray back to back in straight sets. Who do you pick?

Interestingly both beat each other in straight sets although Fed beat a baby Djokovic.

Conditions are hybrid of the 2 courts in 2007 and 2011

 

[gjm127]

Federer from AO 07 but this would be a close 5-setter.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Peakerer on Rebound Ace.

Peakovic on Plexicushion.

 

[Checkmate]

I hate hypotheticals.

Fedr in 4 though.

 

[TripleATeam]

Federer in faster conditions, Djokovic in slower. Would be close in both cases though.

 

[D.Nalby12]

I never found RA a fast court. It was always slower than USO but lower bouncing.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Oh no, another hypothetical Federer thread.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Djokovic was better 12 13 16 and 19

 

[aman92]

Djokovic was better 12 13 16 and 19

Certainly not in 12 and 13 lol.. 16 arguable but only in semis and finals. Competition in 19 too weak to be compared here

 

[InsideOut900]

Certainly not in 12 and 13 lol.. 16 arguable but only in semis and finals. Competition in 19 too weak to be compared here

2013 was better than 2012 and 2016.

 

[aman92]

2013 was better than 2012 and 2016.

Maybe.. But certainly not better than 2011

 

[TheNachoMan]

2013 was better than 2012 and 2016.

#wings

 

[Deleted member 762343]

2011 Djokovic wins, be it on Rebound Ace, Plexi or a mix of both.

 

[mike danny]

They won on completely different surfaces so it's tough to give an accurate response.

 

[mike danny]

2011 Djokovic wins, be it on Rebound Ace, Plexi or a mix of both.

We don't know that.

 

[junior74]

2013 was better than 2012 and 2016.

Saved by a wrong call against Stan in 2013. I'm not sure he was better. But '16 edition looked really strong.

 

[InsideOut900]

Saved by a wrong call against Stan in 2013. I'm not sure he was better. But '16 edition looked really strong.

Well, if we are talking like this, the 4R match in 2016 was the Simon disaster.

Any of the first 6 rounds was better in 2013. Only the final was slightly better in 2016, but against a worse Murray.

 

[junior74]

Well, if we are talking like this, the 4R match in 2016 was the Simon disaster.

Any of the first 6 rounds was better in 2013. Only the final was slightly better in 2016, but against a worse Murray.

You may be right. I thought he was sensational against Federer in '16. Those two first sets is some of the cleanest tennis I have seen.

Forgot about Simon

 

[InsideOut900]

You may be right. I thought he was sensational against Federer in '16. Those two first sets is some of the cleanest tennis I have seen.

He was, but coincidentally he played an equally good or even better match against Ferrer.

I seriously urge people to give that match a rewatch, cuz I don't see it mentioned nearly enough.

 

[Chanwan]

You may be right. I thought he was sensational against Federer in '16. Those two first sets is some of the cleanest tennis I have seen.

Forgot about Simon

I'd like to see the Fed from the AO 2007 semi (the Roddick-match) vs. the Djoko that made Fed look silly for the first two sets of their 2016 semi.

 

[junior74]

He was, but coincidentally he played an equally good or even better match against Ferrer.

I seriously urge people to give that match a rewatch, cuz I don't see it mentioned nearly enough.

Blowing Ferrer off court on HC doesn't really tell that much, as I see it. But there's no doubt he was good. Getting so close with an unmerited Stan is perhaps a better acid test?

 

[junior74]

I'd like to see the Fed from the AO 2007 semi (the Roddick-match) vs. the Djoko that made Fed look silly for the first two sets of their 2016 semi.

Yes, Federer 2016 was quite underwhelming.

 

[Chanwan]

He was, but coincidentally he played an equally good or even better match against Ferrer.

I seriously urge people to give that match a rewatch, cuz I don't see it mentioned nearly enough.

The problem with Ferrer in this context is that no version of Ferrer comes even remotely close to beating a well playing Fed or Novak - he'd have to be lucky to take a set.
He's 0-9 in sets vs. Novak down under, and in 6 of them he didn't get to 4 games. He's 0-17 in h2h vs. Fed and got 6 sets in total in those 17 matches.
He's just overmatched. But yeah, Novak played lights out there nevertheless, but the way he beat Fed in the first 2 sets of 2016 or Rafa in the 2019 is more impressive to me than any win over Ferrer

Blowing Ferrer off court on HC doesn't really tell that much, as I see it. But there's no doubt he was good. Getting so close with an unmerited Stan is perhaps a better acid test?

You beat me to it

 

[vanioMan]

#wings

Insane ball striking from Djokovic here. Almost reminds me of Nadal at RG when he gets in the zone.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Hard to say what exactly 07 Fedr would have produced on 11 Plexi, nor 11 Djoker on 07 Rebound. It's easy to just assume each would win in the conditions on which they actually dominated at the respective times, but it's pretty safe to say that either would still produce excellent tennis in either scenario and neither matchup is likely to be one-sided in any way. Stick them on either court and you'll have a great match.

 

[mike danny]

Yes, Federer 2016 was quite underwhelming.

2016 and 2007 are very similar in that the winner was the overwhelming favorite over his too old/too young rival.

 

[mike danny]

The problem with Ferrer in this context is that no version of Ferrer comes even remotely close to beating a well playing Fed or Novak - he'd have to be lucky to take a set.
He's 0-9 in sets vs. Novak down under, and in 6 of them he didn't get to 4 games. He's 0-17 in h2h vs. Fed and got 6 sets in total in those 17 matches.
He's just overmatched. But yeah, Novak played lights out there nevertheless, but the way he beat Fed in the first 2 sets of 2016 or Rafa in the 2019 is more impressive to me than any win over Ferrer

You beat me to it

Ferrer was the quintessential pigeon back in 2012-2013. The only set he won at slam level was in the extremely windy conditions in the 2012 USO semi, otherwise he was beaten comfortably each time, including the match where he took a set.

0 sets won vs Fedalovic outside the wind fiasco in 2012 is meme worthy.

 

[Chanwan]

Hard to say what exactly 07 Fedr would have produced on 11 Plexi, nor 11 Djoker on 07 Rebound. It's easy to just assume each would win in the conditions on which they actually dominated at the respective times, but it's pretty safe to say that either would still produce excellent tennis in either scenario and neither matchup is likely to be one-sided in any way. Stick them on either court and you'll have a great match.

This seems fair to me

 

[InsideOut900]

Blowing Ferrer off court on HC doesn't really tell that much, as I see it. But there's no doubt he was good. Getting so close with an unmerited Stan is perhaps a better acid test?

Well his 2016 version did not face anyone within a country mile off that Wawrinka. So hard to say. Plus you could see from the first ball how calm and sure of himself he was in the 2013 semi.

That 2013 4R match was also likely the best post-2010 match played. Would have been one of the best ever if Djokovic didn't have such a rough start.

 

[aman92]

2016 and 2007 are very similar in that the winner was the overwhelming favorite over his too old/too young rival.

They are not that similar LOL..Djokovic of 2007 was just a teenager, was ranked 14 and had not won a single masters, yet alone a slam.....whereas Fed of 2016 while 34 was No 3 , had just beaten Djokovic in the fall season and was coming off a pretty good 2015 season. Oh did I also mention he had 17 slams?

 

[mike danny]

They are not that similar LOL..Djokovic of 2007 was just a teenager, was ranked 14 and had not won a single masters, yet alone a slam.....whereas Fed of 2016 while 34 was No 3 , had just beaten Djokovic in the fall season and was coming off a pretty good 2015 season. Oh did I also mention he had 17 slams?

At his age at that time he was a huge underdog vs Djokovic, no if's and but's. Beating Djokovic in an unimportant RR match doesn't change that.

2007 Djokovic was on the rise. Would go on to reach the semis+ at the remaining slams and became world no.3.

Also, Fed having 17 slams at that time is irrelevant. That's like arguing 2015 Wimb Fed > Wimb 2003 Fed who had 0 slams.

 

[Third Serve]

Think Fed wins on RA while Novak wins on Plexi.

I think the gap would be a little wider on Plexi though.

 

[DSH]

It would be a classic that would go to five sets.
We would be talking about two players at the highest level and it would be defined which of the two is more "clutch".

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

At his age at that time he was a huge underdog vs Djokovic, no if's and but's. Beating Djokovic in an unimportant RR match doesn't change that.

2007 Djokovic was on the rise. Would go on to reach the semis+ at the remaining slams and became world no.3.

Also, Fed having 17 slams at that time is irrelevant. That's like arguing 2015 Wimb Fed > Wimb 2003 Fed who had 0 slams.

Many do, hilariously.

 

[Martin J]

At his age at that time he was a huge underdog vs Djokovic, no if's and but's. Beating Djokovic in an unimportant RR match doesn't change that.

2007 Djokovic was on the rise. Would go on to reach the semis+ at the remaining slams and became world no.3.

Also, Fed having 17 slams at that time is irrelevant. That's like arguing 2015 Wimb Fed > Wimb 2003 Fed who had 0 slams.

But..but...but...Fred beat Muri goat in 2015, while in 2003 his final opponent was a weak are MUG Philippoussis ROFLMAO.

 

[NeutralFan]

Djokovic in 3 or 4 sets.

 

[Deleted member 779124]

Djokovic in 5 sets for me.

 

[onefineday]

Federer. But only because his peak was bought on by tougher opposition than what Djokovic had in 2011.
A better comparison would have been Federer 07 vs Djokovic 08.