Freddy Cat
Professional
Ohhhh yeah!!!!
2016 Paris SF - [9] Marin Cilic vs John Isner
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Freddy Cat
Professional
YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Well so far for Cilic' run in Paris I fear...
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Bautista Agut and now Isner making the last two Masters1000 finals of the year just highlights how embarrassing 2016 has been for the ATP. No disrespect to them both but just wow.
Stan is our number 3, has he won a single Masters this year? Has he even reached a Masters final?? How about Berdych? Raonic? Thiem?
Mostly nah but bloody John Isner can. Bloody hell.
Stan is our number 3, has he won a single Masters this year? Has he even reached a Masters final?? How about Berdych? Raonic? Thiem?
Mostly nah but bloody John Isner can. Bloody hell.
Ace of Aces
Semi-Pro
Isner has made masters finals before. It didn't make 2012 or 2013 weak did it?
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
mightyrick
Legend
I haven't seen Isner play this well in I don't know how long. I don't know what got into him. He really ran for a lot of balls and was stepping in and ripping returns.
The guy clearly wanted to take this match.
The guy clearly wanted to take this match.
JonnyMac
Hall of Fame
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
WWOW, when isner is this good, he can win all 4 majors. he may win Wimbledon next year.....
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Congrats to Isner on a 3rd Masters final but what the hell happened Marin? 
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
what kind of racket is Isner using ?? it must be good..........
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
4 years ago and both were in America where he always does well, usually bombs out everywhere else. This one tournament and Isner making the final doesn't make the entire field weak, it's a combination of many things. Although, Isner will make the final by defeating just one top 10 player and that's Marin Cilic at #10. Last year at Shanghai Tomic had to defeat then top 10 Ferrer + Gasquet who was 11th and that was just to reach the QF of a Masters.
This is the final we are talking about here! The level has dropped.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Mury GOAT!
No.1 with a walkover to the final?
No.1 with a walkover to the final?
Bukmeikara
Legend
Don't be so harsh. Your favorite player was dominating era were everyone was making Master/Slam finals left and right. Isner is a great indoor on paper also with great results in the past.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
My favourite player? That's Tomic.. Not really sure what you're getting at there?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
some seriously hot lines woman in this match.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
When Isner's serving like he did during this match, he's a bloody tough hurdle to take for anyone out there... never saw this coming!
Congrats to him./
Congrats to him./
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Oh and both times Isner made a Masters final, he defeated world top seed Novak Djokovic. I repeat, Isner defeated one top 10 player to make this final and that was Cilic at #10
Bukmeikara
Legend
Last year Isner defeated Federer in Paris, the previous he pushed Djokovic. In his both Master finals he defeated Djokovic to reach them, he also defeated Federer on indoor clay in 2012. Last year he reached the SF in MIami with wins against Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori in a row. John is not a nobody and certanly is not that suprising that he reached the final here.
My bad, was thinking about Hewitt
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
You're making my point for me! When he reached those Masters finals, he did so by defeating A+ opponents. Meanwhile in 2016 it reads more like an ATP250. Struff, Ferrer, Sock, Cilic. That's not a strong field to reach a Masters final.
My point is that this year has just been one laugh after another and the level of the entire tour has dropped so much.
Bukmeikara
Legend
Paris 16 SF - Murray, Cilic, Isner, Raonic
Paris 15 SF - Djokovic, MUrray, Wawrinka, Ferrer
Paris 14 SF - Djokovic, Nishikori, Raonic, Berdych
Paris 13 SF - Djokovic, Ferrer, Nadal, Federer
Paris 12 SF - Ferrer, Janowitz, Llodra, Simon
Paris 11 SF - Federer, Tsonga, Berdych, Isner
Paris 10 SF - Soderling, Llodra, Federer, Monfils
Paris 09 SF - Djokovic, Monfils, Stepanek, Nadal
Paris 08 SF - Tsonga, Blake, Nalbandian, Davydenko
Paris 07 SF - Nalbandian, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis
In the last ten years - 0 times 4/4 Big 4, 1 time 3/4 Big 4, 2 times 2/4 Big 4, 5 times 1/4 Big 4, 2 times 0/4 Big 4. It's just variation - this year specialy Federer, Nadal, MOnfils didn't enter the draw at all
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Ivanisevic "fluked" one after multiple other finals and semis.
Does isner have more than 1 slam QF?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
I'm not whinging about the big 4. I'm complaining that top 10 players can't make these finals and yet bloody Bautista Agut and Isner can.
Where's top 10 Thiem making a Masters final? Nah he lost in his first match.
Stan? He's a multi slam champion and our world number 3, yet didn't make a Masters final all year! He should be winning these! Not losing to Struff!!
Top 10 Berdych? Nah he lost.
I read that list and apart from 2012, they were all great sounding top 10 SFists.
Well the Wimbledon grass back then did play to his advantage which was why he went deep in those tournaments plus he had a servebot rep like Karlovic and Isner do right now. No one ever thought he could win the whole damn thing though, even when he did it it came as a surprise. Rafter was a big favorite.
Bukmeikara
Legend
Open draws are part of the game. Wim13 Murray, Us10 Nadal, WIm0 Sampras. Cilic, Raonic, Murray, Isner on paper are only inferior compared to the 13/15 SF line up. Thiem is Thiem, he is finding his mojo and once he does he would be a great player. The 90's were full with clay court specialist in the WTF whom didn't stand a chance indoors, Kafelnikov didn't win a Master and he was number 1 with 2 SLams.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
I am stunned but at the same time Isner played a much better match today than he did yesterday. Isner is just a poison to play against when he plays like this. While Cilic clearly could have played better, he looked comfortable in the rallies against Djokovic, today he could not play too many of those rallies with of course Isner trying to win points in one or two shots. Was rooting for Cilic but happy for Isner...alwayslikedhim!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Wow, what's got into Big Izzy all of a sudden? He's been crappish to average practically all year and then, all of a sudden, he comes alive and starts playing his best at a season-ending indoor Masters tournament and in Europe of all places!!!
This will be his 3rd Masters final and 1st for 3 years (following 2012 Indian Wells and 2013 Cincinnati) and, given the form he displayed today, probably his best chance to finally win one!
Disappointing for Cilic after yesterday's exploits against Novak but he's enjoyed probably his best season to date since 2014 and still has London to look forward to in a week's time.
This will be his 3rd Masters final and 1st for 3 years (following 2012 Indian Wells and 2013 Cincinnati) and, given the form he displayed today, probably his best chance to finally win one!
Disappointing for Cilic after yesterday's exploits against Novak but he's enjoyed probably his best season to date since 2014 and still has London to look forward to in a week's time.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
What a ridiculous serving display from John. You would struggle to find a Sampras match, where he served as well as this. A ridiculous high percentage, amazing angles, and speed. No way. Yeah, I'm still a bit salty with Pete being compared to John and Ivo
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
I still can't get enough if it, it's bloody ridiculous, this serving.... Watching at 3-3 in the 2nd. I don't know why it bothers me so much, people saying Sampras had a better serve. Quite honestly nothing else bothers me...
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Nostalgia, romanticism .... the angles Isner finds amaze me more than Ivo's. Technically I find his serve more impressive to watch even though Ivo's serve is slightly more effective it seems if we look at numbers. That is also because Isner has more bad days on serve, but yesterday he was almost unplayable. Actually Murray is the worst draw for him in the final, not because he is the new number 1 but because even peak Djokovic is a better match up for the american.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
80% 1st serve, 86% 1st serve win. Sampras's best against a notable player would be 1996 Wimbledon 2R against Philippoussis - 75% 1st serve, 93% 1st serve win, that's better. But Isner's best 1st serve performance is still better - 2012 Olympics 3R vs Tipsarevic, 83% 1st serve, 91% 1st serve win. To add, Karlovic's best serving performance against someone good is 2008 Queen's 3R vs Gonzalez - 79% 1st serve, 92% 1st serve win, 90% 2nd serve win (!!). This is still only his 2nd best serving performance; 2007 Zagreb R1 against Jiri Vanek (6-3 6-2) may well be the greatest servebotting of all time: 30/38 1st serve, 28/30 1st serve win, 8/8 2nd serve win for 36/38 total serve points won, 20 of those 36 were aces. Although Vanek probably tanked that.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Another little thing is that Sampras had to rely more on the shot after the serve. Generally a volley, but maybe a forehand as well. Whereas Ivo and Isner could just bomb down at brilliant angles, more unreturnable serves.
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